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Old 06-05-2014, 7:03 AM
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And why register BOTH ammo and pistols? Doubling costs to cover the same thing: pistol no use without rounds; rounds no use without pistol. I swear leftist liberals aren't very smart and love to spend taxpayer money to buy votes. that should be a capital crime.
another argument if it goes to court... its not like misusing a firearm for criminal activity isn't already covered by several sections of the PC with felony penalties.
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i don't understand the "stockpiling" part at all...a guy can purchase 100 rounds of ammo and kill quite a few people with it...i can't foresee any shooter trying to carry 10k rounds of ammo with them into a library or school...another meaningless reach to solve an unsolvable problem
its just another canard they roll out. How so and so had a stockpile. Scary Scary stockpile... and an arsenal... blaw blaw blaw...
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this is a handgun ban in an ammo bill, cant get the card to buy ammo for your guns? whats the point of the guns then?
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Too many are assuming that Internet sales can easily be closed.

Other states tried it with cigarettes and it was stricken down. There are all sorts of problem with that alone. Also, consider that ammunition can be purchased across state lines legally, then shipped in private packages also legally.

Finally, AB 962 is already enjoined (not enforced, one step from being stricken down,) so we can expect a similar outcome. The sooner we get these nonsense laws passed, the sooner we can defeat them in courts *once for all*.
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They can try, but I will just drive over to Yuma, Arizona and stock up. I imagine a few new gun/ammo stores will open there, just for us.

Just more lost sales taxes for the minds of Excremento.
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They can try, but I will just drive over to Yuma, Arizona and stock up. I imagine a few new gun/ammo stores will open there, just for us.

Just more lost sales taxes for the minds of Excremento.
The vote on the Assembly Floor may come as soon as Monday. The NRA called me and I went to the NRA-ILA California site, got my assembly rep's web site address, composed and sent off a letter on her site. Assembly Rep Eggman (D). I told her it is redundant—twice now since Brown vetoed the last one because we are already waiting on a case before the Cal Supreme court.. And she ought to focus on action that will reduce community crime instead of punishing lawful firearms owners. Do I think it will change votes? No, I don't, but I do it anyway in case I am wrong about that.

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Appears to exempt CCW holders from needing the ammo permit.
Iam applying for my CCW right now. 1 SEP 2014 is coming up fast.
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I have a Bro that is getting into the ammo business in Nevada.He will get rich because of A-HOLES like DE LEON.
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(c) Commencing on September 1, 2014, only those persons listed below or those persons or entities listed in subdivision (d) shall be permitted to purchase ammunition. Prior to the delivery of the ammunition, the vendor shall verify that the person who is receiving delivery of the ammunition is a properly identified person or entity listed in subdivision (d) or one of the following:
(1) A holder of a valid ammunition purchase permit issued pursuant to Section 30370.
(2) A person who is authorized to carry loaded firearms pursuant to Section 25900, 25905, 25910, 25925, 26010, 26015, 26025, or 26030.


Appears to exempt CCW holders from needing the ammo permit.
good o'l divide and conquer right there. the numbers of CCW permits are growing in this state. I do not support the separation of anyone who seeks to legally purchase ammunition. I hope this bill meets the shredder soon.

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Iam applying for my CCW right now. 1 SEP 2014 is coming up fast.
in the process as well. training class next month. livescan done last Monday.
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Iam applying for my CCW right now. 1 SEP 2014 is coming up fast.
Um, hasn't that date been pushed out?

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Ther version I saw didn't bit you may be right. It has a good chance of veto or court stopage anyway. I hope.


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They can try, but I will just drive over to Yuma, Arizona and stock up. I imagine a few new gun/ammo stores will open there, just for us.
You know all the bus services that take Granny to the casinos to play the slots. If this bill passes, there will be bus services for gun owners going to NV for ammo.
Poor Granny won’t be able to get a seat!!
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All of these so called Bills are ridiculous! This state is 650 billion in the red!! There's no water, the roads suck,taxes are crazy and all these guys can think about is how to hassle the legal, law abiding citizens exercising their rights. On top of that, any moves these idiots do will be paid out of tax dollars plus some other moronic fee we'll have to pay. It amazes me that we the so called 'gun lobby' can't vote these guys out somehow. There's a lot more of us than there is of them....
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Even with a ccw DOJ will still be tracking your ammo purchases. Im still stocking up.
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You can stock up on ammo, but as I speculated before, sooner or later there will be legislation restricting the amount of ammo one may possess in the home.

Although you and I know that stored ammo is not a fire hazard or any other hazard (except floor joist maybe), the uninformed think we have a powder magazine/ammo depot ready to level the neighborhood.

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You can stock up on ammo, but as I speculated before, sooner or later there will be legislation restricting the amount of ammo one may possess in the home.
One thing at a time until we have nothing left.
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You can stock up on ammo, but as I speculated before, sooner or later there will be legislation restricting the amount of ammo one may possess in the home.

Although you and I know that stored ammo is not a fire hazard or any other hazard (except floor joist maybe), the uninformed think we have a powder magazine/ammo depot ready to level the neighborhood.

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while it is CA, so anything is possible... I doubt there will be a restriction on amount of ammo possessed... there's no restriction on number of guns or mags... and how would they ever be able to determine how much ammo each person has?... *no tin foil hat explanation needed...
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while it is CA, so anything is possible... I doubt there will be a restriction on amount of ammo possessed... there's no restriction on number of guns or mags... and how would they ever be able to determine how much ammo each person has?... *no tin foil hat explanation needed...
They won't be able to until after the fact. It'll be an extra charge tacked onto whatever else they're charging you with.
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... and how would they ever be able to determine how much ammo each person has?... *no tin foil hat explanation needed...
Unless you report the rounds spent on a regular basis, your inventory grows with each purchase in their database. You reach X number of rounds total in their system (regardless of caliber/mm), and suspend your permit. They hold the permit, it's up to you to prove you spent the rounds, remember you cannot sale/trade it.

I know that scenario is highly unlikely but never underestimate your opponent.

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Unless you report the rounds spent on a regular basis, your inventory grows with each purchase in their database. You reach X number of rounds total in their system (regardless of caliber/mm), and suspend your permit. They hold the permit, it's up to you to prove you spent the rounds, remember you cannot sale/trade it.

I know that scenario is highly unlikely but never underestimate your opponent.

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I could have 100 times more than the limit before they even start keeping track of purchases...

It's futile.
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^^^ I know, some of us don't count rounds, we go by pounds or tonnage...

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Here is a link to the bill as currently written. If I am reading it correctly, and the bill is passed and signed,
ammunition permits can be applied for commencing 01/01/2017 and will be required commencing 07/01/2017.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...=201320140SB53
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Here is a link to the bill as currently written. If I am reading it correctly, and the bill is passed and signed,
ammunition permits can be applied for commencing 01/01/2017 and will be required commencing 07/01/2017.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...=201320140SB53
Why everyone needs to contact the governor and tell him to veto. This bill is another in a long line of destructive legislation, that will manufacture more law breakers out of thin air, that are only exercising their normal Constitutional rights. Send him snail mail too.
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Why everyone needs to contact the governor and tell him to veto. This bill is another in a long line of destructive legislation, that will manufacture more law breakers out of thin air, that are only exercising their normal Constitutional rights. Send him snail mail too.
For those that don't know, this is a fast, easy, great way to do just that from the comfort of your computer: https://www.firearmspolicy.org/act/california/sb53/


(Every gun related bill is handled at firearmspolicy.org and they make it easy to get involved and send the proper people your thoughts on the bill.)
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while it is CA, so anything is possible... I doubt there will be a restriction on amount of ammo possessed... there's no restriction on number of guns or mags... and how would they ever be able to determine how much ammo each person has?... *no tin foil hat explanation needed...
Famous last words in this state. That is coming, they don't take everything at once. Full auto ~ gone, suppressors ~ gone, tracers ~ gone, regular mags ~ gone, features ~ semi-gone, pistols ~ gone, and gone, going,...

They'll never make me register my guns, how would they know how many I have?

I can buy as many guns as I want, they'll never limit how many times I can exercise my 2nd amendment rights.

They'll never make me wait 10 days or more to take possession of something I paid for, how can they do that when it is protected by the Constitution?

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Famous last words in this state. That is coming, they don't take everything at once. Full auto ~ gone, suppressors ~ gone, tracers ~ gone, regular mags ~ gone, features ~ semi-gone, pistols ~ gone, and gone, going,...

They'll never make me register my guns, how would they know how many I have?

I can buy as many guns as I want, they'll never limit how many times I can exercise my 2nd amendment rights.

They'll never make me wait 10 days or more to take possession of something I paid for, how can they do that when it is protected by the Constitution?

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None of those examples are limits on items possessed... What law restricts possession quantity?

Loosen the tin foil.
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None of those examples are limits on items possessed... What law restricts possession quantity?

Loosen the tin foil.
The Ammo Purchase regime originally limited the amount you can purchase cumulatively and you had to show a log of how much you used up before you could purchase again. That was stricken from the bill this time, but it will be back.Several municipalities have tried to limit ammo in possession. The State currently limits who much smokeless powder you can posses to 20 pounds. which, if you reload several calibers and don't want to wait for months to find powered, isn't much. You reload two rifles and a pistol and want to buy 8# instead of 1#, you cannotL that would be 21#. SO thee is precedent for restricting amounts for safety. The safety is the mantra of the anti-gun legislator. And it plays.

So eventually they'll succeed and then the state will follow eventually. and since the courts are ineffective in protecting our right any more, it will be law for many years before we even get a day in court.

It is easy to rationalize and say things really aren't that bad, but to do so, one must work hard to forget how good it used to be in California.
Here is how it used to be here and still is in most other states:

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I was in and out of the shop in 15 or 20 minutes. No 45-minute paperwork ordeal, no roster, no safe-handling demonstration, no magazine restrictions, and no damned waiting period …

I even had time to eat.
That was Washington state this week. He bought an M&P Pro—not legal for us to even buy AFTER jumping through all the hoops. There are only 3 M&Ps left on the Roster. 2 Shields (9 & 40) and a stainless steel 9. That last one falls off this August. And then there were two...

So I wouldn't demean him for anticipating what many of us know is true. Your are attacking the wrong people and your hubris will turn to regret when it comes to pass.
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The Ammo Purchase regime originally limited the amount you can purchase cumulatively and you had to show a log of how much you used up before you could purchase again. That was stricken from the bill this time, but it will be back.Several municipalities have tried to limit ammo in possession. The State currently limits who much smokeless powder you can posses to 20 pounds. which, if you reload several calibers and don't want to wait for months to find powered, isn't much. You reload two rifles and a pistol and want to buy 8# instead of 1#, you cannotL that would be 21#. SO thee is precedent for restricting amounts for safety. The safety is the mantra of the anti-gun legislator. And it plays.

So eventually they'll succeed and then the state will follow eventually. and since the courts are ineffective in protecting our right any more, it will be law for many years before we even get a day in court.

It is easy to rationalize and say things really aren't that bad, but to do so, one must work hard to forget how good it used to be in California.
Here is how it used to be here and still is in most other states:



That was Washington state this week. He bought an M&P Pro—not legal for us to even buy AFTER jumping through all the hoops. There are only 3 M&Ps left on the Roster. 2 Shields (9 & 40) and a stainless steel 9. That last one falls off this August. And then there were two...

So I wouldn't demean him for anticipating what many of us know is true. Your are attacking the wrong people and your hubris will turn to regret when it comes to pass.
first of all, I didn't demean or attack anyone... let's not get ridiculous with this.

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If I have to guess, I think Governor Brown will probably veto this SB53 and sign AB1964. SB53 doesn't really make the streets any safer, and it will highly likely give the tax avenue from ammo sale to other neighboring states. However, even though AB1964 doesn't really do anything to reduce gun crime, as long as there are guns on the roster, there will be guns that the good citizens can choose from so it won't do no serious harm to pass it (not that I think he should, since I'd love to own a few off roster guns myself).
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first of all, I didn't demean or attack anyone... let's not get ridiculous with this.
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Oh I see: telling someone they are wearing a tin foil hat IS A COMPLIMENT. Oh...Okay.
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Oh I see: telling someone they are wearing a tin foil hat IS A COMPLIMENT. Oh...Okay.
WoW, talk about overly sensitive... now tin foil hat is considered demeaning and attacking?

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I guess I need to brush up on my CGN politically correctness
Right, so it was a compliment and term of respect. You aren't fooling' anyone, Dipstick. Just give up.
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Too many are assuming that Internet sales can easily be closed.

Other states tried it with cigarettes and it was stricken down. There are all sorts of problem with that alone. Also, consider that ammunition can be purchased across state lines legally, then shipped in private packages also legally.

Finally, AB 962 is already enjoined (not enforced, one step from being stricken down,) so we can expect a similar outcome. The sooner we get these nonsense laws passed, the sooner we can defeat them in courts *once for all*.
doesn't matter what the courts say if these people listened to the courts this bill wouldn't be back and yet here it is again. the bill will be reintroduced for year(s) to come until it is law period these people are relentless in the quest to ban and confiscate all guns in this state first then the nation.
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doesn't matter what the courts say if these people listened to the courts this bill wouldn't be back and yet here it is again. the bill will be reintroduced for year(s) to come until it is law period these people are relentless in the quest to ban and confiscate all guns in this state first then the nation.
And if Brown signs it in his senility (like he pushed High-speed Rail and the Tunnels—both of which are getting shot down in the courts) it will take over a decade (based on past litigation) to resolve the issue. I really hate what this state has become.
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And if Brown signs it in his senility (like he pushed High-speed Rail and the Tunnels—both of which are getting shot down in the courts) it will take over a decade (based on past litigation) to resolve the issue. I really hate what this state has become.
this state is nothing what it was like in the late 80's. the 90's is where it really started to go to crap.
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Right, so it was a compliment and term of respect. You aren't fooling' anyone, Dipstick. Just give up.
what does compliment and respect have to do with my point?.... and give up what?

You're showing me very little cerebral ability with your nonsense and petty name calling... want to try again and make it relevant to the thread...
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None of those examples are limits on items possessed... What law restricts possession quantity?

Loosen the tin foil.
Don't need tin foil, reality is worse than fiction in this state. So you must be exempt from the 1 in 30 for handguns? That does restrict how many you can possess compared to citizens in free states. You can only buy 12 pistols a year, they can buy 12 pistols at one time.

Also, the 10 day wait period was when background checks took that long, now they are instant yet we still have the 10 day wait. That prevents YOU and me from possessing our firearms vs. those in free states.

You can make fun of me all you want but it still doesn't make this state any better.
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Don't need tin foil, reality is worse than fiction in this state. So you must be exempt from the 1 in 30 for handguns? That does restrict how many you can possess compared to citizens in free states. You can only buy 12 pistols a year, they can buy 12 pistols at one time.

Also, the 10 day wait period was when background checks took that long, now they are instant yet we still have the 10 day wait. That prevents YOU and me from possessing our firearms vs. those in free states.

You can make fun of me all you want but it still doesn't make this state any better.
I'm not making fun of you... and there is no law limiting possession (firearms or ammo).
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Did this bill get signed by the Gov? Or should I be sending some emails?
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^ oh Cali....always asleep and when awakened, in a state of confusion on what happened.
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