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Old 08-25-2020, 10:20 AM
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I can't even remotely imagine anywhere within the City of Los Angeles that you are 35 minutes away from the closest station.

I'm very curious where such a location exists.

Also thatís LAPD specifically. Thereís a LASD Substation about 20 mins also with limited hours.


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I just submitted my application today. My GC is probably light red. I will keep everyone posted with the status of my application.
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Is 518 requests really "flooded" for a county of 10 mil + residents? There should be no problem denying them without wasting tax payer dollars on additional staff.
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Received my rejection letter last week. I did not provide "Sufficient evidence of potential danger..." Their definition of this is "a current situation which involves a specific person (s) who has threatened an individual and who has displayed a pattern of behavior which would suggest that the threat could be carried out"

So from this it appears an applicant would have needed to file a police report about a specific individual or situation or have applied for or received a restraining order against someone. Oh well, gave it a try.

In a nut shell my good cause involved carrying large amounts of cash and firearms throughout California and other states on a regular basis in remote areas during the night and early morning hours.
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Received my rejection letter last week. I did not provide "Sufficient evidence of potential danger..." Their definition of this is "a current situation which involves a specific person (s) who has threatened an individual and who has displayed a pattern of behavior which would suggest that the threat could be carried out"

So from this it appears an applicant would have needed to file a police report about a specific individual or situation or have applied for or received a restraining order against someone. Oh well, gave it a try.
That sounds like a Dark Red GC standard. AV, in his Antelope Valley town hall, described a Yellow GC standard.

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In a nut shell my good cause involved carrying large amounts of cash and firearms throughout California and other states on a regular basis in remote areas during the night and early morning hours.
Is your GC related to your work? If so, are you self employed (business owner) or employee?

Is there an appeals process? If so, do you plan to appeal.

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Did you have an interview? If so, what was that like and how’d it go?
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I am an employee so I would understand if they denied based on that fact but they did not. No interview and do not plan on an appeal.
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That sounds like a Dark Red GC standard. AV, in his Antelope Valley town hall, described a Yellow GC standard.
I'm shocked, shocked I say....... that he would make such blatantly false promises.


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Old 08-30-2020, 9:44 AM
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Iím really busy, so a quick post from memory.

Check from app is usually cashed a week or two month after submitting. A week or two after that is initial call. Some set face to face interview appointment then, others set another call date for setting face to face appointment.

Some were interviewed by one person, others by two. Some said interview was relaxed and friendly, others said cold almost to point of hostility.

Iíll end there since the next steps are background check and training, implying you passed the main hurdle for most of you, Good Cause.

IMO just like AV announced liberalization 2-3 weeks before he revised web CCW info, the process seems to be being developed on the fly and subject to change. Thus it will be awhile before we get clear idea of what the process ends up being. Dittos w the GC standard.

FWIW I would characterize the one who was told to proceed to LiveScan and training as having Light Red to Yellow GC. But their GC is unusual. I wouldnít use them to characterize AVís GC standard. All Iím using them for is evidence AV is issuing to residents who arenít VIPs, donít have SO or political connections, and havenít made campaign contributions.

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Old 08-30-2020, 6:24 PM
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Does anyone know if having a couple of speeding tickets in the last couple of years hurt your chances and a DUI 15 years ago.

I live in Hollywood and I think I have to go to the WeHo Sherrif to apply.

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Old 08-30-2020, 6:32 PM
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Does anyone know if having a couple of speeding tickets in the last couple of years hurt your chances and a DUI 15 years ago.

I live in Hollywood and I think I have to go to the WeHo Sherrif to apply.

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Thatís the least of your worries. First, deal with GC.

Although once you do, they may still deny you for GMC.
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Does anyone know if having a couple of speeding tickets in the last couple of years hurt your chances and a DUI 15 years ago.

I live in Hollywood and I think I have to go to the WeHo Sherrif to apply.

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Hollywood (majority of it) is part of the city of Los Angeles so you might have to apply to LAPD.
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Old 08-31-2020, 8:05 AM
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I can say that in other counties the speeding tickets/DUI will not play in favor of establishing a "good moral character". Will you be automatically denied just because of that? Probably not and depends on the approval criteria of your IA/sheriff.
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Hollywood (majority of it) is part of the city of Los Angeles so you might have to apply to LAPD.
Would it be the same paperwork?
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Received my call today. They will call next week to schedule in-person interview. Fingers crossed! Thanks paladin for everything!
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I applied for LAPD years ago...but got picked up by another agency...from what I've heard....its a solid dept...recently they got screwed with the riots and were not paid...they were able to "comp" their hours worked... but did not get paid as overtime.
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Received my call today. They will call next week to schedule in-person interview. Fingers crossed! Thanks paladin for everything!
Cool! My feeling is that if you pass the initial GC screening you're going to get it unless there's some other serious problem in the app or interview. (If there are serious problems in your app, you shouldn't apply, obviously.)
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I had CCWs in Massachusetts and Virginia, and there was never any questioning regarding which handguns I was planning to carry. So then, if you get a CCW here, it's specific to a certain gun??
in CA and LA County specifically, you're allowed to list up to 3 guns.
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These is a list of the LAPD that agree with LASD to issue CCW, correct? If my local LAPD is not in this list, then I, probably, will get deny CCW application, correct?

CCW AGREEMENT
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1 Alhambra July 2013
2 Azusa April 2016
3 Baldwin Park July 2015
4 Bell Gardens July 2001
5 Beverly Hills March 2015
6 Claremont June 2016
7 Covina November 2016
8 Culver City October 2006
9 El Monte August 2014
10 Glendora September 2016
11 HunNngton Park January 2013
12 La Verne April 2016
13 Long Beach May-18
14 Monrovia March 2016
15 Montebello May 2017
16 Palos Verdes Estate March 2017
17 Pasadena Jun-19
18 Pomona May 2016
19 San Gabriel July 2014
20 Santa Monica April 2017
21 Sierra Madre July 2014
22 Vernon December 2016
23 West Covina April 2016
24 WhiTer August 2014
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tl;dr Donít panic just because your app is moving slower than othersí. Be patient. Follow my advice in my CoCoCo Advice thread.
I couldn't find that thread. Paladin, please direct me there. My GC is simply personal protection, which I believe should be sufficient without further explanation. I'm uncertain, however, so please provide link location. And thank you, sir!
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I couldn't find that thread. Paladin, please direct me there. My GC is simply personal protection, which I believe should be sufficient without further explanation. I'm uncertain, however, so please provide link location. And thank you, sir!
FYI the sheriff has said mere “self defense” or “personal protection” is an insufficient GC.

Read ALL my posts in my CoCoCo Advice thread to understand more:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1482924

For the rest: I have good news I can’t share yet and hope to have even more before October 1st. I know that’s a tease, but at this early in the reform process I just don’t want to risk applicants and yet still want to let you guys know applicants are moving forward.
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FYI the sheriff has said mere ďself defenseĒ or ďpersonal protectionĒ is an insufficient GC.

Read ALL my posts in my CoCoCo Advice thread to understand more:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1482924

For the rest: I have good news I canít share yet and hope to have even more before October 1st. I know thatís a tease, but at this early in the reform process I just donít want to risk applicants and yet still want to let you guys know applicants are moving forward.
I read the information in the link, and thank you for posting it. I do have several of the attributes that are favorable and I might be able to make a better case in that regard. When I do put in the paperwork, I'll post what occurs.
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I read the information in the link, and thank you for posting it. I do have several of the attributes that are favorable and I might be able to make a better case in that regard. When I do put in the paperwork, I'll post what occurs.
No one knows the precise contours of the policy right now. It may be in flux and there may be different individuals there interpreting it in different ways and we don't have many results to look at so far.

But whatever it is...

You're going to have to clearly describe a very solid reason that's specific to you and real. The big recent shift seems to be that, whereas before, the only reasons good enough were "I'm a very VIP" or "I'm receiving these very credible documented death threats", now they are accepting good cause that's related to a specific, documented situation, without the need for a specific, documented threat.

I hope that makes sense.

But it does mean, you need to very clearly describe why your specific situation has this high level of danger. And it needs to be something more serious and specific than "I sometimes have to go into remote areas for my business" or some variation of that, which works in many counties, but isn't very persuasive or specific to you. And it needs to be documented somehow.

I don't think anyone really knows exactly how permissive the policy is at this point but you'll need to make a strong, documented, specific case.
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No one knows the precise contours of the policy right now. It may be in flux and there may be different individuals there interpreting it in different ways and we don't have many results to look at so far.

But whatever it is...

You're going to have to clearly describe a very solid reason that's specific to you and real. The big recent shift seems to be that, whereas before, the only reasons good enough were "I'm a very VIP" or "I'm receiving these very credible documented death threats", now they are accepting good cause that's related to a specific, documented situation, without the need for a specific, documented threat.

I hope that makes sense.

But it does mean, you need to very clearly describe why your specific situation has this high level of danger. And it needs to be something more serious and specific than "I sometimes have to go into remote areas for my business" or some variation of that, which works in many counties, but isn't very persuasive or specific to you. And it needs to be documented somehow.

I don't think anyone really knows exactly how permissive the policy is at this point but you'll need to make a strong, documented, specific case.
Thank you for your input. I'm aware that the situation isn't well-defined at present, and am going to keep an eye on this as it evolves before submitting my application.
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I never thought I’d see the day but ... today I’m happy to announce the first CGNer to pass GC and interview with LASD!!!



(And that’s all I’ll say at this point.)
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For the rest: I have good news I can’t share yet ....




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ETA: to put it more plainly, lightning has struck again: another applicant passed interview/GC and was told to proceed with LiveScan/background check. After that comes training. And after that comes ...

(And that’s all I’ll say at this point.)

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I hope people in LA Co keep up with these online town halls to hear if AV says anymore about CCWs, esp GC. Make it productive: just play it loud in the background while you make dinner or do exercises/stretching and your brain will catch it if he mentions CCWs or concealed carry permits. I've got enough on my plate now, so I won't (plus I don't even live in LA Co.).
Has anyone kept up with AVís video town halls? Has he kept brining up CCWs? If so, has he said anything new?
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Yes, ccw is routinely brought up nearly every time.

Iíve resubmitted an application with different GC. Iíll update if it goes beyond an immediate denial
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The LASD must be overwhelmed with applications. My application was received on 8/28 according to certified mail receipt tracking. My $10 filing fee check has not been cashed yet as of today.
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That was my mistake working from memory: give cashing the check a month.
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Received my rejection letter last week. I did not provide "Sufficient evidence of potential danger..." Their definition of this is "a current situation which involves a specific person (s) who has threatened an individual and who has displayed a pattern of behavior which would suggest that the threat could be carried out"

So from this it appears an applicant would have needed to file a police report about a specific individual or situation or have applied for or received a restraining order against someone. Oh well, gave it a try.

In a nut shell my good cause involved carrying large amounts of cash and firearms throughout California and other states on a regular basis in remote areas during the night and early morning hours.
Sorry to hear about your rejection. I expect my rejection letter soon. I received a call from a deputy. I was asked the following three questions:

1 - Why do you want a CCW?
2 - Have you been a victim of a crime?
3 - Have you received any credible threats?

I was told that my application would be reviewed in detail and I would be informed.

Per LASD: "Sufficient evidence of potential danger to life or of great bodily harm to the applicant, his or her spouse or dependent child, which cannot be adequately dealt with by existing law enforcement resources and which danger cannot be reasonably avoided by alternative measures, and which danger would be significantly mitigated by the applicant's carrying of a concealed firearm."

Well, in my opinion, from the questions I was asked, one can infer that "sufficient evidence of potential danger" means an actual record of being robbed, assaulted, or credible threats thereof. Living in a high crime area is not significantly potential unless, of course, you actually have been victimized and there's a record (police report).

Itís typical governmental bureaucratic reasoning. You can have a gun to protect yourself. However, you canít protect yourself until youíve been a victim. Then and only then can you protect yourself. If your alive to live another day.

In closing, I anticipate a rejection letter because I donít have a record of victimhood. If Iím right, then no need to apply unless youíve been victimized. If you still refuse to be a victim, then you must live by the axiom, ďitís better to be judged by 12, then to be carried by 6Ē. Iíll post an update when available.
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What did you use as a Good Cause statement? (But not so much detail as to ID yourself)

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Sorry to hear about your rejection. I expect my rejection letter soon. I received a call from a deputy. I was asked the following three questions:

1 - Why do you want a CCW?
2 - Have you been a victim of a crime?
3 - Have you received any credible threats?

I was told that my application would be reviewed in detail and I would be informed.

Per LASD: "Sufficient evidence of potential danger to life or of great bodily harm to the applicant, his or her spouse or dependent child, which cannot be adequately dealt with by existing law enforcement resources and which danger cannot be reasonably avoided by alternative measures, and which danger would be significantly mitigated by the applicant's carrying of a concealed firearm."

Well, in my opinion, from the questions I was asked, one can infer that "sufficient evidence of potential danger" means an actual record of being robbed, assaulted, or credible threats thereof. Living in a high crime area is not significantly potential unless, of course, you actually have been victimized and there's a record (police report).

It’s typical governmental bureaucratic reasoning. You can have a gun to protect yourself. However, you can’t protect yourself until you’ve been a victim. Then and only then can you protect yourself. If your alive to live another day.

In closing, I anticipate a rejection letter because I don’t have a record of victimhood. If I’m right, then no need to apply unless you’ve been victimized. If you still refuse to be a victim, then you must live by the axiom, “it’s better to be judged by 12, then to be carried by 6”. I’ll post an update when available.

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That was my mistake working from memory: give cashing the check a month.

Update: the check was cashed today. So it looks like your original report may be right; it takes roughly around 2 weeks from the date of receipt until the filing fee is processed.
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Just another brief update, this time about interview length: one that passed GC and interview was 10-15 min. Another who passed was ~30 minutes. A third was ~40 min because they discussed some “color” in his past. We’re not sure he’ll pass GMC.

So yet again, things vary, maybe for valid reasons (each applicant is unique) and/or maybe because issuing more CCWs is new to LASD.

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Update: the check was cashed today. So it looks like your original report may be right; it takes roughly around 2 weeks from the date of receipt until the filing fee is processed.
I’ll leave it at a month: better to have people happy because it took less than a month vs having anxious CGNers PMing me because it’s taking longer than 2 weeks.

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Another brief update re interview: some get denied without getting an interview, others get denied after being interviewed.

Just got PM of another interview, this one ~20 min long.
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Interview tips: as I wrote in my CoCoCo advice thread (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1482924), they don’t want to arm “drama queens.” If you’ve been in bar or other fights, domestic violence incidents, road rage, workplace or neighbor conflicts, and/or civil lawsuits this may be an issue. If you’ve been the instigator (i.e., at fault), in these, it will be an issue, especially if they’re in the recent past. Seriously consider waiting a few years without incidents to show you’ve learned to control yourself, rather than risk a GMC denial on your record that will haunt you with future applications.

Related: I keep saying a denial for insufficient GC will not hurt you in the future. One applicant had that and the interviewer asked about it, so he explained that county was restrictive issuance back then, and the interviewer just moved forward as if it were nothing.

Also remember you’re requesting a gun permit, so keep the underlying focus of your GC statement and your GC replies during the interview on your reasonable fear for your life and safety.

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