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Old 06-06-2018, 1:26 PM
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My buddy's kid (17) is wanting to get into shooting more. he has gone out a few times and has fired off a few 100 rounds. My buddy is thinking of getting an M&P so his kid can learn the ins and outs of the gun and how to maintain and clean the fire arm. Looking to see what you thoughts are on this and If you would recommend the M&P or another handgun.
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It's a nice gun. Simple but a little more involved when disassembling compared to let's say a glock.
I would have time learn on the full size.
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As good as any, you’ll get a lot of this gun is better then that gun. Everybody has their favorites, but the reality is M&Ps are good service type handguns. Easy to shoot, easy to field strip and easy to clean.
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The only thing bad I've noticed on my M&P is the slide stop starts to wear on the plastic mag follower preventing mags from dropping free when the mag release is pressed.
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M&P Shield, XD9, Glock 19, maybe a Beretta? M9, 92FS, or PX4 Storm are good. I have all of these in stock if he is in the area, come see what fits!
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Glock 19 or 17.

At least rent one or both first before deciding.

Pretty sure Iron Sights has them for rent.
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Glock! They're on the roster too.
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My M&P 9 is a dedicated range gun because I had some malfunctions (failure to reset). I had to swap the sear spring to an aftermarket Apex spring to eliminate this issue. I don't trust this gun like I do with my Glocks, Sig, and H&K.
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Thanks for the input, My buddy and I are planing to go out this weekend and rent a M&P and see how it feels we both have used Glocks a number of times and go from there.
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Thanks for the input, My buddy and I are planing to go out this weekend and rent a M&P and see how it feels we both have used Glocks a number of times and go from there.
Paul, what did you get? I lean towards the Glock or the Beretta in 9mm for new shooters. Both basic handguns that are easy to use. Ask any Marine, soldier, sailor or airman.
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I've had 5 M&Ps and 4 out of 5 were 100% reliable and easy to strip as I've put thousands of rounds thru each of them. The 1 bad M&P I had was when quality control didn't exist after Sandy Hook, so I wouldn't count that against the M&Ps of today.

I will say that the grip does get slippery and that is for both M&Ps & Gen 3 Glocks (non-RTFs). Gen 4 grip is a better, but gripping the Glock RTF versions are probably the best for me. This is something that can be easily resolved by sticking on Talon grips.
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I guess also it's a little more expensive, but a CZ 75B is a nice option, Sigs are always good (P226 is easy to shoot) but more spendy.
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So we're clear, are you referring to the now off-roster M&P or the M&P Shield? Different categories of pistols.
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So we're clear, are you referring to the now off-roster M&P or the M&P Shield? Different categories of pistols.
This. Being off roster is not an insurmountable obstacle, it's just paying more for...the same thing.

And if I had to lean on a gun, I'd lean on a rifle.
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A revolver? Or does your buddy want the kid to know semi autos?

A revolver would teach good trigger technique (in double action).

If semi, then I'd go with Glock 17/19. It's harder to shoot than a 1911 so it will magnify poor trigger technique... for a 17 year old kid with a 17 year old kid's ability to adapt and learn new things, I'd think that would give him a great foundation. The Glock safe action requires good technique and is plenty accurate. In fact a Glock 34 might be an even better trainer for using the irons, since the longer sight radius requires a slightly steadier hand.

Oh, I suppose I should also add in .... A Ruger Mk(something) or 22/45.
... a nice .22 semi auto as a starter without dealing with the loud flinch inducing bang of a centerfire cartridge.

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I compete with an M&P 9. No problems whatsoever after years and thousands of rounds. Damn good gun. But put some APEX upgrades in it. That's the only drawback - the stock trigger isn't that good.
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I compete with an M&P 9. No problems whatsoever after years and thousands of rounds. Damn good gun. But put some APEX upgrades in it. That's the only drawback - the stock trigger isn't that good.


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Does no one start with 22s anymore?

As far as center-fire handguns go I think I would have started at a great advantage with a 4 in+ full lug 38/357 revolver. The DA pull makes it a bit harder to anticipate the recoil and the weight helps to reduce perceived recoil. Lots of ammo options from bunny fart to hand cannon.

I took the Shield 9mm to the range for the first time in a while. I forgot how snappy and jumpy the rig is. It's not fun as a range toy. I'm of the mind that to be proficient with firearms you have to enjoy them. Light subcompacts are not up there on the fun factor. However, learn to shoot those well and everything else is a walk in the park.
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The M&P is a fantastic pistol to learn on. For a polymer pistol it is extremely low recoiling and if you reload can make it a very soft shooter.

At 17 years old your kid will have no problems learning on a 9mm. A 22LR pistol such as a Browning buckmark will also be a great alternative or even both when more trigger time is needed.
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I took the Shield 9mm to the range for the first time in a while. I forgot how snappy and jumpy the rig is. It's not fun as a range toy. I'm of the mind that to be proficient with firearms you have to enjoy them. Light subcompacts are not up there on the fun factor. However, learn to shoot those well and everything else is a walk in the park.
That's exactly what I was gonna say--and the exact word I was gonna use to describe the Shield (snappy). For handguns, I made the mistake of starting my daughter on my Shield, and it's really put her off handguns.

I agree with the idea of a .22 or a heavy-ish .357 using .38 non-+p ammo (and like you said, for learning trigger control too).
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Didn't it fall off the roster?
Yes.

But I'm assuming the OP's friend is a LEO.
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I compete with an M&P 9. No problems whatsoever after years and thousands of rounds. Damn good gun. But put some APEX upgrades in it. That's the only drawback - the stock trigger isn't that good.

I have manipulated several M&P's over the years. I came across one of the earliest models and the trigger was absolutely terrible. The break has heavy, like "I have to think about applying additional pressure" heavy.

Luckily, it is inexpensive to upgrade to the latest generation's trigger systems if one does not want to go aftermarket. Pro Sear with updated H-Trigger bar and Slide Stop, maybe $60-80.
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Luckily, it is inexpensive to upgrade to the latest generation's trigger systems if one does not want to go aftermarket. Pro Sear with updated H-Trigger bar and Slide Stop, maybe $60-80.
Yep, Did this to my FS. Later added the ported CORE slide kit which came with the USB. Still don’t care much for the hinged trigger but otherwise it pretty nice and all S&W.
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I personally cannot get on board with the giant LCI eyesore.
For on-roster, semi-auto, I would say Glock or maybe XD. Going small cal. I would say maybe a Walther P22.
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My buddy's kid (17) is wanting to get into shooting more. he has gone out a few times and has fired off a few 100 rounds. My buddy is thinking of getting an M&P so his kid can learn the ins and outs of the gun and how to maintain and clean the fire arm. Looking to see what you thoughts are on this and If you would recommend the M&P or another handgun.
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M&P is as good as any other plastic gun to learn on.

.22 is ok, but as a 17 year old, he'll get bored with it quick.

Unless the kid has an interest, don't waste his time with a revolver. If he wants to shoot one, great. Otherwise why bother? He won't enjoy it and will end up shooting it single action, learning nothing.
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Yes. I like that the M&P doesn't require you to pull the trigger to field strip while other poly guns do. I think this is a huge safety benefit if you are just learning. Like others have said, the stock trigger leaves a little to desired, but mine wasn't horrible.

I would also look at a CZ75 as I think the ergonomics are fantastic compared to any of my polys (i have M&P, XD, G19, Sig). Plus the added weight reduces felt recoil....but they are more expensive and a little harder to clean.
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Yes. I like that the M&P doesn't require you to pull the trigger to field strip while other poly guns do. I think this is a huge safety benefit if you are just learning.
I just don’t understand this logic. If you learn proper safety you always clear and double check clear before handling, cleaning, or field stripping any weapon. Why would this be an issue?


That said I don’t own an M&P but have shot a few. I think it’s a fine first handgun.
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Glock 9mm variants are a good way to start. The M&P 2.0 is a great gun too.

Ever consider starting the kid off with a revolver though. Learning the difference between double and single action can be an important lesson.
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M&P's are really good, I'd recommend though to see if you guys can go out and test a few, try a sig, a glock, a 1911, a M&P, maybe a beretta. Test them out, and see what you like, but more importantly, what your buddies kid likes the feel of in his hand.
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Glocks are great but for a first time shooter i dont recommend it. The Sprinngfield Xd 4inch would be a better choice over a gen 3 glock. The xd offers a grip saftey, slide and chamber indicator, and like the glock a trigger saftey. The xd also offers front and rear serations, a 3 dot sight picture, and ambi mag release. The most important thing is the XD has no finger grooves, so a new shooter will beable to learn how to properly and comfortably hold the handgun. .
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I'd say no to M&P or any other striker fired gun.

If you want to teach math, teach them math the right way first, then give them the calculator.
A 17 year old is not a kid. Should be taught on a full steel gun with external safety. Once he/she learns how to handle that, shooting with Glocks, XDs, M&Ps, and the like will be trivial.

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Great fun to learn on. An ideal scenario used by Rogers School and others is get the basics down with the MP-.22 and then when they are competent with that, transition to the MP-9.
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I'm not going to get into the, "your first gun should be a .22," debate. The military has literally taught hundreds of thousands of first time shooters on a 45 acp 1911. So it's certainly possible. I say to get the gun that you are most interested in. I think the odds of you practicing and staying with the hobby are greater if you get something that speaks to you. YMMV

So...back to the M&P...it would be an awesome first defensive/9mm gun for someone. High quality. Very reliable. Affordable. There are others too, of course, like a Glock 19. The M&P, however, has better ergonomics and, let's face it, isn't as ugly.

He can also drop an Apex trigger into it when he's ready and it turns a great gun into a "chock full of awesome" gun.

The only possible problem with the M&P is that it's not on the roster. If your buddy lives out of state, then this is a non issue. Otherwise he'll have to buy through private party and a likely inflated price. If he's a CA resident and money is a factor, then look at a Gen 3 Glock 17/19.
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The M&P is a good gun, I have both real and airsoft ones, and they feel great in my hand. I love running my airsoft SAI blu M&P with my vr16 avalon. They make an awesome combination.
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The M&P is a good gun, I have both real and airsoft ones, and they feel great in my hand. I love running my airsoft SAI blu M&P with my vr16 avalon. They make an awesome combination.
How douse the airsoft one shoot compared to the real thing? I know they kick back but how realistic is it?
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How douse the airsoft one shoot compared to the real thing? I know they kick back but how realistic is it?
It's airsoft, so it's not going to kick much, it's more of a cool effect than anything else... But it's a great platform to start training on, or to practice with since they cost a whole lot less. I also really like the Elite force Glock 17 for training purposes, it is the only fully licensed 1:1 replica Airsoft glock.
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The is so subjective....shoot it and see if you like it.
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I, of course, have no opinion on M&Ps... why is everyone looking at me like that?
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