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Old 11-04-2014, 10:52 AM
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So I am considering a bolt action 338 Lapua. What scope should i get to take advantage of the long range shooting?
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a good one in the line of US Optic or S&B.
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which 338L you getting?

I can't hit the board side of a barn but I'm thinking the Savage LRH is just Too Much Gun For The Money to not own.

Had a couple spotty reviews but mostly very good and hopefully any bugs worked out.
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sub-$1000 - SWFA, Vortex PST, used NF, Bushnell HDMR
Around $1000 - Bushnell HDMR 3.5x21
Around $1500 - a NF of some sort like a 5-22 power range or the old Vortex Razor Gen 1. Some may even say a straight 10x power used USO
Around $2500 - Vortex Razor Gen 2, Kahles K624i, used USO, or some even say a straight 10x S&B
$3K+ - S&B variable, USO, NF Beast

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sub-$1000 - SWFA, Vortex PST, used NF, Bushnell HDMR
Around $1000 - Bushnell HDMR 3.5x21
Around $1500 - a NF of some sort like a 5-22 power range or the old Vortex Razor Gen 1. Some may even say a straight 10x power used USO
Around $2500 - Vortex Razor Gen 2, Kahles K624i, used USO, or some even say a straight 10x S&B
$3K+ - S&B variable, USO, NF Beast

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HELL YEAH!!!!

or better yet, since you're running a 338 Lapua and you may need to hit that 1 mile zombie go with this! 0-70 MOA adjustment on the rings!!!! More than enough adjustment. I'm eyeing this right now.

http://www.eurooptic.com/era-tac-adj...k-release.aspx

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HELL YEAH!!!!

or better yet, since you're running a 338 Lapua and you may need to hit that 1 mile zombie go with this! 0-70 MOA adjustment on the rings!!!! More than enough adjustment. I'm eyeing this right now.

http://www.eurooptic.com/era-tac-adj...k-release.aspx

I dunno about that mount, especially those throw levers
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I dunno about that mount, especially those throw levers
get the non-lever version
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Pig man the series had a good show on the savage 110ba shooting hogs a 1000yrds. That was a $2500 rifle with a big scope but I don't know what brand it was. Did not look cheap though
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I run 60 MOA base on my 338. Most high end scopes will still zero at 100. I get out past 2 Kilometers without hold over in the right DA..
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It depends on how far you want to shoot it. If your budget allows it, the Hensoldt ZF 3.5-26x56 is in a league of it's own for ELR shooting. The only issue issue is that you'd need to use European CW turrets. And, you'd pretty much certainly get the Recknagel adjustable incline scope mount to accommodate the 36mm tube, but that is an excellent mount. Otherwise, go with a Schmidt or Kahles if the respective 26 and 25 Mil travel suffices.
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That Hensoldt is in th $6K+ range and that probably doesn't include the base and rings.

What's the OP's price range?
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Old 11-05-2014, 7:23 AM
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I dont really have a price range yet. I am just in the intial planning stages of aquiring a long range rifle. Not even sure what I want, 338 Lapua or 50 DTC or something else. Dont even know what brand I want to get but am thinking Savage.
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I dont really have a price range yet. I am just in the intial planning stages of aquiring a long range rifle. Not even sure what I want, 338 Lapua or 50 DTC or something else. Dont even know what brand I want to get but am thinking Savage.
If you don't have a price range yet, don't go Savage. Go with Accuracy International or Sako TRG for a bit less. They do very nice .338s, Savage, Barrett, Remington, etc., won't compare. Sako, AI, and Lapua developed the cartridge, so they've focused very closely on making great rifles for it.
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Old 11-05-2014, 9:29 AM
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338 edge if you dont know what you really want. it uses a standard mag bolt face. that way, you can convert to any other mag caliber like 300 win mag, 300 WSM, 7 SAUM, blah blah blah.

A 338 lapua bolt will only handle the big boys like the 338LP, the snipetac, cheytac and other large caliber diketac's. so you're limited to those calibers.

the negative of the 338 edge is you dont get lapua brass and have to use nosler, federal, or remington. hint...remington brass is supposedly the best brass of the three with regards to lifespan and pocket primer life.
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Get the glass that you use with your other long range rifles. Standardize glass is best glass assuming your other glass is high quality. I standardize all rifles across calibers same stock, actions, glass, trigger, accessories, everything. That way all rifles feel the same just some have more punch then the others.

338 Lapua is an expensive round to buy and expensive to reload for up front. 100 pieces of brass is gonna run $250+ and it eats powder. 92g h1000 for my load with a 300g SMK.

As far as rifles go I'm a big fan of custom Rem 700 actions. I like Surgeon, and Stiller. In the 338 both make a over sized action with over sized bolt for the larger parent case. Sako is a no go since it has a proprietary mag setup and older versions were 1:12 i heard they have 1:10 twist rates now which will handle the 300g SMK. I'm not a fan of AI as it does nothing that a custom remmy will do plus the AI stock is heavy and I don't shoot in -20 degree weather. I use Krieger barrels across the board and all stocks are Manners T5 even my .22 Savage MK2. Every thing you can do to increase consistency will make long range better.

Finally if you are just getting into long range don't go for the 338. Get a 6.5 caliber and you will be tickled pink. Truthfully real long range shooting is a PITA. 1000yds can be hit all day long with .223/.308 and not break the bank. Unless you have private land and access to a ATV 1 mile shots mean 2+ mile walks to repaint the target. Have fun

PS. If all your glass is NF what ever you do don't ever, ever, ever, ever try out your buddies S&B. It is a very expensive transition.

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I have a Ruger american 308. Not many upgrades available for it so maybe I will look into a remington 700 308 so I dont break the bank but it sure would be fun to have a 338 Lapua or 50DTC or something in that range
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Remmy is the chevy small block of rifle actions. Everyone makes stuff for it. You can go custom remmy actions, stiller/surgeon that are built to laser specs. There is a huge after market out there for remmy based actions. Simple things like finding high moa scope bases are way easier for remmy actions. If you go with a factory remmy get their Sendero or Police model its an upgraded version of the 700 with a better stock and barrel and fitting.

Also the most important thing to long range shooting is the glass. Plan to spend about 2k on glass and accessories. NF rings are about 200 and a base is about 100. You cant go cheap on the mounts else you will be buying twice. Go with MIL/MIL if you can it makes life easier as the turret adjustment and the reticle are in the same scale. Also a good laser range finder and a kestral are a must. Data book, bipod, good mat and rear bag all this stuff adds up.

Most guys I see at the range shooting "long range" think walking in their fire or hitting steel 1 in 5 means they are "long range shooters". Hell its fun ill give them that but to do it right 1st round hits second at most means that you'll need to make the investment into the gear and practice to do it right.

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They are fun but not really practical. I don't even break out the 338 unless we are shooting past 1200yds. A good 308 will get you out to 1200 depending on wind, and a 6.5 will get you out to a mile but the wind at that range is a PITA.

Do you shoot 223/556? If so my advise is: Pick up a 223 remmy on sale. They sell a cheap 700 at Turners for like 450 bucks. It has a cheap stock, thin barrel, crap trigger. Ditch everything but the action/bolt. Order a krieger and have them chamber it to .223AI send them your action and they will do the whole thing for like 600 bucks including barrel. Put it into a good stock and pick up the glass and accessories. .223AI once fire formed, done by shooting std 223/556 once through it, can be loaded with a 77g SMK and it has almost identical ballistics to a 308 175g match load. Not the juice but a slimier flight profile. Recoil is like a .22 you can watch the bullet almost all the way in. Its cheap to shoot, cheap to practice as you use your fire forming time to practice and has a long barrel life. Its what I have people use when they want to shoot LR with me. They can get to a grand all day long and its cheap to shoot and I don't turn into a brass monster when they loose the brass.

Finally if you are serious about LR then you really have to reload if you don't already. Match 308 is not cheap and you can load way better ammo than factory on your own.

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fun to have a 338 Lapua or 50DTC or something in that range
Go with the .338 Lapua; it'll be much easier and cheaper. The 50 DTC will need to be custom, then you'll need custom dies, and everything. .338 Lapua is way easier and cheaper. The off the shelf Redding Competition dies are very good. The .338 Lapua is a really well-balanced cartridge that can shoot accurate with a very wide range of loads.

It's a no brainer to go .338 Lapua first. I have long term plans for a 50 DTC, but I am taking my time as I have other larger cartridges.
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Remmy is the chevy small block of rifle actions.
Yes, but not for .338 Lapua or larger.
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I was just referring to the ease and volume of aftermarket parts available.
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Some good info so far.

I too am interested in good optics for a .338.

Just trying to save up the $$$$ right now.
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You do not want to skimp on a scope for a 338 Lapua rifle. This is a definite buy once and cry once item. Customer repair service should be thought about as well. 338 lapua is an awesome shooting caliber.
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I'll throw in there a Kahles 6-24. You can get it for about grand less than the S&B, its more than the NF but its 1st focal plane if you need that ability.

The Vortex Razor Gen 2 looks nice also.

These are my two options currently if I decide to get another scope.
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i am using a 5-25x56 steiner MSR on mine.
with a 200 yard zero, i am getting about 23mRad up travel capacity on an integrated 30MOA scope base... which will hit 2000 yards.
anything longer than that, holdover needed for my setup. i wish my rifle (surgeon 1581xl action) had a 40MOA base... but it doesn't.

plan on getting one and you can nail 2500 yards without holdover with the right scope.

i settled on the steiner over the S&B because it's $1000 cheaper.
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Get a scope with a lot of elevation, like a NF Beast. I believe it has 39 Mils. S&B has 26? You don't want to run a scope maxed out. Funny things happen to the image.

Also consider that a 50 is really really big. It's a rifle for Andre the Giant. A 338 is a lot more reasonable. It is a hair bigger than a short action
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If you don't have a price range yet, don't go Savage. Go with Accuracy International or Sako TRG for a bit less. They do very nice .338s, Savage, Barrett, Remington, etc., won't compare. Sako, AI, and Lapua developed the cartridge, so they've focused very closely on making great rifles for it.
Any opinion on the Blaser Tactical 2? Shot with a couple of guys from Lake City who were shooting that and a TRG-42, both in .338 Lapua.
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Got NF on my SA BA 110. If you have a chance, try out the steel at Pala Rifle range during one of the High Power matches. The swingers at the 222 line go around and around very nicely! (Don't tell Harold that you hit his steel with 5200 ft lbs of force or he'll be upset!)
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Any opinion on the Blaser Tactical 2? Shot with a couple of guys from Lake City who were shooting that and a TRG-42, both in .338 Lapua.
I have never shot the Blaser Tac 2, so I cannot form an opinion.
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Match grade 338 Lapua is going to run close to $4/round.
Match grade 308 is goint to run close to $1.50/round.
The 308 can reach out to at least 1k yards and still hit a paper plate, the 338 should be able to do the same out to 1700 yards.
You are going to spend a LOT more for the rifle in 338 and a LOT more for the ammo. Even reloading, you use twice as much powder and bullets are twice as much.
BUT... I would get the 338 if I had the disposable income to do so.
Get the best glass you can afford. It's not inappropriate to spend as much for the scope as you do for the rifle.
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Match grade 338 Lapua is going to run close to $4/round.
Match grade 308 is goint to run close to $1.50/round.
Unless you reload
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I have a Ruger american 308. Not many upgrades available for it so maybe I will look into a remington 700 308 so I dont break the bank but it sure would be fun to have a 338 Lapua or 50DTC or something in that range

50dtc is a crazy animal. Very expensive to set up to reload for the big 50's. It's not hard to spend thousands on reloading equipment for 50dtc. Rifles are anywhere from about 3k to over 10k depending on what you want. Glass for 50's, you guessed it, expensive. For me it sometimes seemed like a bottomless pit to throw money in right now. I'm sure once I get my rifle it will all be worth it and I will have a smile from ear to ear, but right now every time I turn around it seemed like I throw hundreds at it. The waiting sucks also. Send off a check for thousands and then you just sit around waiting.

Wow ,just read what I wrote. I think you have to be partly insane to get into 50's.
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The 308 can reach out to at least 1k yards and still hit a paper plate, the 338 should be able to do the same out to 1700 yards.
You must eat off large paper plates. 1/2 MOA is a very tough shot at 1,700 with a .338 Lapua.
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