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EP Armory raided by ATF (Bakersfield, Mar 7 2014)
In local news... http://www.turnto23.com/news/local-n...nd-home-030714
I had a feeling this would definitely happen after they posted that video where it APPEARS as though they're using 30 rounders in BBd rifles. Again that's appears. Not sure if that's what happened. Nor if it was in CA. Buuut...yeeeeaaah... Last edited by bigb0886; 03-07-2014 at 6:46 PM.. Reason: Typo |
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ATF is federal ergo CA specific non-compliance should be a CA DOJ jurisdiction issue.
ATF usually means really bad 4473's ie bad paperwork, NFA items, improper sales etc.
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Shaddy company selling out of spec product with no warranty nor refund.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=840960 |
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The "news" video mentions that class III might be a concern.
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Chris is a good guy. I'd be beyond surprised if he did anything intentionally wrong. This is probably about a paperwork error.
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Just thinking out-loud...
say a lower was offspec enough might create an NFA issue unintentionally with NON-NFA parts.
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different machining
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this. I cant believe this even has to be said
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Either the ghost-gun serial number issue, or the semi-to-fully auto conversion issue, must have triggered the raid. Before there is a raid, usually there is a buy of some kind made. It usually takes more than an informant alone. Since ATF allowed him to re-open, sounds like they did not find what they were looking for though. And that sounds like the raid was a big mistake.
Tagging this to follow it for subsequent events. |
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Google it. There has been at least one widely known case I know of a semi-AR having a malfunction that warranted LE action. for example improper distance between the hammer and sear can lead to a "shock" sensitive situation causing a hammer to prematurely fall say if the bolt returns to battery. This is not "FA" this is a "runaway gun" the ATF does not distinguish between this difference as far as I know. Judge for yourselves, this source is not a typically progun http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bes...ef=videosearch
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my wild arse guess is they do not have a letter from BATFE for there "80%" seeing that KT ord was busted years ago for dimpling the FCG hole and EP lower seem to have the holes marked also
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Molding "auto" into them isn't any more of a problem than it is for, say, Spike's to mark "auto" on some of their lowers. You notice how they didn't mark the position for the 4th hole on the polymer 80's? The "auto" marking is purely cosmetic.
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they look raise and dimpled to me , but neither here nor there it has the FCG points on the lower and that was a issue that KT org dealt with and what contributed to the changes from the old "80%'s" to the current ones
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the raised then concave are above the final surface i would like to know why they pulled the polymers other than the dad gum rear takedown pin hole being too damn high mine started out as a pistol but i put a rifle upper on it and am using a rifle buffer cause i dont want it to break like a couple other people's have Last edited by bohoki; 03-08-2014 at 10:30 PM.. |
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The aluminum 80% were OOS before the raid so it looks like all the polymers were pulled, considering they still have a lot of "90%" lowers in stock. There were hundreds of pink polys available last week.
Any info I can dig up is mostly anti-gov banter and tin foil hat speculation. I just want to know if the upper I ordered last week is gonna ship anytime soon but if they're open for business already then I guess I just have to be patient. I'll see if there's any action in my order the coming week and contact them as last resort. Had no problem with their aluminum 80% using a jig from another company. Shipping was within the same week so I'm currently in the "happy customer" camp. Getting a poly lower with structural features made for an aluminum part is just asking for trouble IMO and that's where most of the complaints seem to come from. |
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Little weird? why would they waste their time for nothing? except to take a couple laptops and phones away from them. You would think if they are gonna raid someone they are gonna make sure its legit and something is seriously going down. Something is fishy about this and I think there is more to why this ATF visit took place.
CA does want to ban 80% lowers but cant track them EP Armory sells 80% and probably has records ( Shipping address's, customer names, phone numbers )of who they been shipping these pieces of plastic too. Call me paranoid if you want too but I'm just saying. |
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