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EP Armory raided by ATF (Bakersfield, Mar 7 2014)
In local news... http://www.turnto23.com/news/local-n...nd-home-030714
I had a feeling this would definitely happen after they posted that video where it APPEARS as though they're using 30 rounders in BBd rifles. Again that's appears. Not sure if that's what happened. Nor if it was in CA. Buuut...yeeeeaaah... Last edited by bigb0886; 03-07-2014 at 6:46 PM.. Reason: Typo |
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ATF is federal ergo CA specific non-compliance should be a CA DOJ jurisdiction issue.
ATF usually means really bad 4473's ie bad paperwork, NFA items, improper sales etc.
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Shaddy company selling out of spec product with no warranty nor refund.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=840960 |
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The "news" video mentions that class III might be a concern.
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Chris is a good guy. I'd be beyond surprised if he did anything intentionally wrong. This is probably about a paperwork error.
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Just thinking out-loud...
say a lower was offspec enough might create an NFA issue unintentionally with NON-NFA parts.
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different machining
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for a manufacturer to add extra machining on accident- impossible-
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this. I cant believe this even has to be said
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Google it. There has been at least one widely known case I know of a semi-AR having a malfunction that warranted LE action. for example improper distance between the hammer and sear can lead to a "shock" sensitive situation causing a hammer to prematurely fall say if the bolt returns to battery. This is not "FA" this is a "runaway gun" the ATF does not distinguish between this difference as far as I know. Judge for yourselves, this source is not a typically progun http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bes...ef=videosearch
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I challenge anyone to find a case of a "one off" malfunction that resulted in 1 pull of the trigger discharging 2 or more rounds that was handled properly and yet resulted in arrest and conviction. |
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Either the ghost-gun serial number issue, or the semi-to-fully auto conversion issue, must have triggered the raid. Before there is a raid, usually there is a buy of some kind made. It usually takes more than an informant alone. Since ATF allowed him to re-open, sounds like they did not find what they were looking for though. And that sounds like the raid was a big mistake.
Tagging this to follow it for subsequent events. |
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my wild arse guess is they do not have a letter from BATFE for there "80%" seeing that KT ord was busted years ago for dimpling the FCG hole and EP lower seem to have the holes marked also
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Molding "auto" into them isn't any more of a problem than it is for, say, Spike's to mark "auto" on some of their lowers. You notice how they didn't mark the position for the 4th hole on the polymer 80's? The "auto" marking is purely cosmetic.
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they look raise and dimpled to me , but neither here nor there it has the FCG points on the lower and that was a issue that KT org dealt with and what contributed to the changes from the old "80%'s" to the current ones
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the raised then concave are above the final surface i would like to know why they pulled the polymers other than the dad gum rear takedown pin hole being too damn high mine started out as a pistol but i put a rifle upper on it and am using a rifle buffer cause i dont want it to break like a couple other people's have Last edited by bohoki; 03-08-2014 at 10:30 PM.. |
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