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Old 05-24-2018, 7:52 AM
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Default Flash Hider? Or Not? Please ID Device

My friend was given a JP 14.5" 9mm barrel with pinned muzzle device to meet the 16" minimum barrel length. He has a 9mm lower that he plans on building out, and he would like to make the finished rifle featureless.

However, I believe the muzzle device is a Flash Hider based on the tines extending from the end. Can someone identify this muzzle device for me or at least confirm my suspicions?

I suspect that this will need to be removed and replaced with a featureless muzzle device to comply with current laws. I just wanted to get a second opinion before I tell my friend that he needs to have someone cut into a really nice barrel.

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Well...maybe you should find out who made it, and see what they call it.

Because it looks just like a brake to me.


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+1. Looks like a brake to me. If the MFG calls it a brake, I'd rock it. If MFG calls it a FH, I don't care what I think it looks like.
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Old 05-24-2018, 10:22 AM
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That's why I'm asking if anyone can identify it. If he doesn't have to remove it, it will save a lot of hassle & money.
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Well...maybe you should find out who made it, and see what they call it.

Because it looks just like a brake to me.


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Old 05-24-2018, 10:39 AM
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it's california.... why take a chance over a sub $100 part...

I would sell to a free state, barrel and device and buy a new 16.1" barrel

For $165, here is a rifle length 9MM barrel

http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/gm-m21-...-a-1-10-twist/
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looks almost exactly like the POF brake I have on my rifle. I would say it’s a brake and you should be fine. Not a lawyer


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Its a freakin' brake
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With the "tines" sticking out in front, it could be called a hider.


The FSC556 has 4 short tines, but the opening is the size of the bullet.
It's a hider.
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First we need to find exactly what brand/model it is. Then see how the maker advertises it. even if it has no flash hider capability at all, if the maker tries to sell it by fibbing a little and uses the work Hider/or flash hider, or even says it reduces flash a little etc, the GOV will default to Flash Hider. But that is just a tactical style brake, I do not see how the company could even try to hint at flash hider.
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With the "tines" sticking out in front, it could be called a hider.


The FSC556 has 4 short tines, but the opening is the size of the bullet.
It's a hider.
Flash suppressing tines or "Stand-off" spikes?
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Flash suppressing tines or "Stand-off" spikes?
One of California's 53 District Attorneys will let you know which they believe it to be.
Probably "stand off spikes" in Humboldt
Probably flash suppressing tines in Sacramento
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Thanks for the input, everyone. I emailed JP Enterprise to see if it's one of their older muzzle devices. There is nothing currently on their site that matches this. My gut tells me it's a flash hider, so my buddy needs to figure out what he wants to do with it.

I'm in the boat where it might be easier just to sell it to someone who wants it for their BBRAW, Fixed Mag, or free state rifle.

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Yankee Hill Machine makes one very similar to this with the glass break /standoff tines and it is marketed as a brake.


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Brake, if you ask me. The exit hole doesn't look much bigger than the projectile. But this is California so all logic is out the window.

POF has something similar to that one with a few more ports (holes drilled)

http://www.primaryarms.com/p-o-f-usa...-8x24-pof00309
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Breacher type brake.
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The fun thing... no one cares what the manufacturer says... just ask the solvent trap guy selling in ca


Are you willing to risk it when you can sell the barrel and flash hider on gun broker and pick up a question free NIB barrel for $165?
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The fun thing... no one cares what the manufacturer says... just ask the solvent trap guy selling in ca


Are you willing to risk it when you can sell the barrel and flash hider on gun broker and pick up a question free NIB barrel for $165?


That is an in accurate statement someone does care what the manufacturer says the DOJ they only care if it condemns you the manufacture can claim it is a hider therefore it is a hide or if the manufacturer says it is not the DOJ could still say that it is


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Too much uncertainty. This is why i use a thread protector only.
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JP got back to me with their description of this. They call it a Tactical Compensator. No mention of flash-hiding capabilities.

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First how many people have been confiscated or convicted of having a gun with a "Flash Hider?"

If the cop doesn't know the difference call out his Watch Commander.

If he doesn't know the difference then they can't enforce the law and hold you to it,,, and you walk. You need to make it known that you do know the law and that they are in error. They must let you go.

Simply put if the ID of the brake is bigger than the hole in the end it is a muzzle brake because there is surface for the gases to hit.

This is not a new concept and you can see it on tank guns and other large caliber guns with destructive recoil. The muzzle blast hits the plate and counteracts recoil. Or there may be several plates for the blast to hit or drilled holes with the same effect.

This all assumes that you are being stupid enough to even put your gun under their scrutiny in the first place.

Nobody is going to enforce this law!

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JP got back to me with their description of this. They call it a Tactical Compensator. No mention of flash-hiding capabilities.

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Take a picture of Flash Hider and this one including the description and save them on your iPhone or a print out in your rifle case/bag. If pulled over, you have something to show them and clarify things.
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Looks like a brake to me. Probably the easiest thing to do if your friend is worried about it is to push that end up against a belt sander to take off a portion of the tines, then file off any burrs.
Then use cold blue to bring the ends back to black. It will get dirty after shooting anyway.

Before your friend does anything, check that barrel is 16" to the crown of the permanently attached muzzle device (not to the end of the tines).
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Looks like a brake to me. Probably the easiest thing to do if your friend is worried about it is to push that end up against a belt sander to take off a portion of the tines, then file off any burrs.
Then use cold blue to bring the ends back to black. It will get dirty after shooting anyway.

Before your friend does anything, check that barrel is 16" to the crown of the permanently attached muzzle device (not to the end of the tines).
That's exactly what I was thinking. Hopefully it's long enough to meet 16" without the tines! Appreciate the help, everyone. I'll let you know what my friend decides to do.

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I would not worry about it.
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That's exactly what I was thinking. Hopefully it's long enough to meet 16" without the tines! Appreciate the help, everyone. I'll let you know what my friend decides to do.

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Tines don’t matter anyway (for barrel length), it is measured to the hole front surface from the bolt face ignoring any other protrusions.


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its all in what its advertised, its a comp no issue there.
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