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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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DGM Discount Gun Mart (Morena) (San Diego) "Loaded magazine is a felony..."
Took some friends to this range the other day and they wanted to inspect our pistols & ammo, while doing so, the employee informed my friend that having his magazines loaded in his bag during transport was a felony...
I politely stated that he was incorrect, he repeated himself saying that law enforcement considers a a loaded magazine a loaded weapon... I pointed to the calguns logo on my T-shirt and said that "these guys disagree with you", he seemed to know who the GCF was and backed off saying "that's just what we've been told"... It seems so odd to me that employees of gun shops are so misinformed... No matter what your job is, seems like you should strive to become an expert in that field... I wonder how many hundreds of people that guy has told that bad info to, poor people unloading their magazines before leaving the house only to reload them at the range.... lol fail. |
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I have shot there and purchased guns there and each time I am given incorrect information at no extra charge. I've given up trying to correct them.
The last time I suggested researching CalGuns(dot)net the yahoo declared that if I followed "their" advice I would end up getting arrested. I recommend that, while making your purchase, you keep your ear-muffs on.
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Brandon Combs I do not read private messages, and my inbox is usually full. If you need to reach me, please email me instead. My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer. |
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Avoid DGM, there's many other better choices in S.D. This is the same place that sold a complete lower to a 20 yr old and gave him hassle later:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ight=shoebox56 Last edited by shoebox56; 11-09-2012 at 12:56 PM.. |
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I've had no problems with DGM but will make this suggestion about gun shops in general:
When given advice that you believe or know to be incorrect: 1) get the name of the person giving that info; 2) get the contact info for the person who manages or owns the store; 3) find the EXACT info that shows the advice to be incorrect (court citation, etc.) note that this does NOT include forums, "my cousin said...", etc.; 4) send a polite email with the erroneous info, name of the person who told you this with date and time, the corrected information, and why correcting that bad information is important. Note to the manager/owner that when his employees spread bad information, it reflects badly on the store and undermines consumer confidence in future purchases at that store. If you don't get the employee's name and/or you use weak documentation to prove the information incorrect, your feedback to the store will not be taken seriously. And don't play the blame game. Be constructive and work with them to provide better quality information to their customers. We all benefit that way. I know that as a business owner, if I received this type of valid feedback, I would follow through on it and do my best to be sure it did not happen again. |
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Business owners that have this type of attitude demonstrated by you, I would go out of my way to give my business to. That being said, I or any other customer probably wouldn't even have to go out of my/their way to do business with you.
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That's too bad. I shoot at DGM a lot, their new rifle range is great! And I've purchased several guns from them, good yearly parking lot sale they have.
Most of the peeps I talk to there are pretty knowledgeable. Not Parallax Tactical/Direct Action Solutions knowledgeable, but not too much FUD. I guess they're like So Cal Gun, kind of an old school gun shop and more prone to stagnant thinking and ol' fuddy duddies.
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attitude of a dealer is very important, too...
my son contacted a dealer in el cajon, a while back, wanting an out-of-state transfer. he was told: "No, we won't do that...it's like competeing against ourselves." now...we will not do business there unless it's the last place that has what is wanted...
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So cal was just open like 6 weeks ago, what happed?
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another thing i noticed about many gun shops and their employees and many of their clientele...they're almost, always, a former SEAL, marine, ranger, green beret, LE, etc...
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NRA life member, US Army Veteran i am a legend in my own mind... we are told not to judge muslims by what a few do...yet, the NRA membership and firearms owners are ALL considered as radical... "The second amendment ain't about your deer rifle..." |
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Your observations are evidence that our laws are not rational. Everyone has heard the maxim that ignorance of the law is no excuse. That fundamental principle was valid when our laws were based on the common sense understanding of right and wrong. Many of the current California gun laws are based on irrational emotion, and a policy to discourage the public from engaging in activities involving firearms. Consequently, it is completely understandable that people who should know the law, don't have a complete understanding of it. This is why I do not get angry at a law enforcement officer or gun store employee that has a misunderstanding of the law.
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It's a crying shame that California gun laws are so complex and irrational that even people who sell firearms for a living can't keep them straight.
I used to have no patience for these guys, but then I realized that the only reason I know what I know is that I spend more time on Calguns than anyone should. Rivers' advice, seen above, seems really good. |
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I went in to see if they had an specific AR in stock and they didn't, but I knew of a place online that had them in stock so I asked if they'd do an out-of-state transfer for that particular rifle and they said "We can order it for you from the manufacturer, but it'll be probably 5 or 6 months since they're back ordered. Since we're a distributor for that brand we don't do transfers for their guns from other shops." My initial in my head reaction was "Well **** you too." I declined the offer to order it for me, thanked them for their time and walked out of the store. I bought one pistol from them and it went relatively smoothly but beyond that I don't think I'll purchase from them again. Too much FUD and BS. |
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To my knowledge, If it's an FFL transfer that isn't a PPT, they can refuse it. If they have an exclusivity agreement from a manufacturer, then they are probably going above and beyond their requirements by refusing such transfers, but are still within their rights to do so. Does it make them look bad in my eyes? Yes, but for most customers it won't matter.
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The employee admitted that he heard it from somebody else, and that was enough for him to run his mouth. If you don't know all of the facts, then don't say anything. I hate to say it, but I've finally joined in with the MYOB crowd.
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$75 (or whatever the total amount for transfer and fees would be) is still more than $0 which is what they ended up getting from me. Had they had the rifle in stock I would have got it from them, and it wasn't like they had 50 sitting on the shelf and I was just trying to get it cheaper from somewhere else. I was just wanting to get it within this calendar year. I ended up going to Parallax and building my own. |
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If it was illegal, then gun shop owners all across the state would have been arrested already. It doesn't cause fires unless you have something like a gas tank, or something else, that's flammable next to it. It's an endothermic reaction. That means it sucks heat from the surrounding environment when the chemical reaction takes place. It releases gas - the bang - and water. That's all it does.
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Well, he is correct if your friend is intending to commit a felony...
http://www.californiaopencarry.org/m...SD_oc_memo.pdf Quote:
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False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. -- Cesare Beccaria http://www.a-human-right.com/ Last edited by Liberty1; 11-11-2012 at 11:35 PM.. |
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I went to DGM one time, before I ever purchased a firearm. The guys behind the counter acted like they had important stuff to do while I stood there making it obvious that I was waiting for their attention. After quite some time they asked me if I needed help, I asked them about building an AR-15 (I didnt know all that I know now) and I suppose the "AR" set him off as he proceeded to be rude to me and grill me. I left thinking that there has to be an easier way to get the 411 on things. I went online, found this forum, later buy my first OLL, built it out on my own. 12 guns later here I am and I havent gone back to DGM *1* time since.
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P.C. 12001 is the section header for some of the firearms laws, and has only one sentence. The document is either incorrect or out of date. |
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Tannerite legal warning for CA... Riverside Co Sheriff Says Exploding Targets Illegal |
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Bureau of Land Management sells guns now!
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Wasnt there a case law ( or whatever its called) about the definition of a loaded weapon that state it is not considered loaded unless the ammo is in the postion to be fired as in loaded mag loaded into magwell not just in your range bag ?? wasnt this heard and determined by the supreme courts ?
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Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764 |
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nevermind I found it its called people vs Clark
People v. Clark(1996) 45 Cal.App.4th 1147 , 53 Cal.Rptr.2d 99 specifically limited 12031(g) by holding that in order to be “loaded” a firearm must have ammunition “placed into a position from which it can be fired”. The case rested on the fact that a shotgun is not loaded when shotgun shells were attached to a shotgun inside a buttstock shell carrier
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Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764 |
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If they say some sort of special forces role, they're probably lying. If they say the were the cook, company clerk or drove trucks, they're probably telling the truth. If they say something like "as little as possible whilst avoiding the RSM" they're are telling the truth! |
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Bottom line, don't get legal advice from gun shop clerks or police...
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False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. -- Cesare Beccaria http://www.a-human-right.com/ |
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Law Officers cannot make law by notion or whim. Most CA officers are now aware of the Clark case law, largely through the efforts of CGF. Quote:
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