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Old 02-20-2017, 3:43 PM
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Default I learned some interesting things about kerosene this week.

Eight years ago I bought a MSR whisperlite international multi fuel stove. With a little fiddling around it can burn pretty much anything except for rubbing alcohol or really heavy oils like olive oil.

When I was prepping for the storm I decided to go with Kerosene for safety reasons as well as cost and longevity of the fuel itself. I picked up a Coleman duel fuel lantern which I'll be converting to kerosene as well (more on that when it actually arrives).

In the meantime I decided to pick up some wick style oil lamps. I really wanted a deitz hurricane lantern but none of my local stores had any good quality ones so I settled for a Walmart brand oil lamp.

That's when I found out that not all kerosene is created equal. And it all breaks down to additives and Flashpoints.

K2 grade is dyed kerosene with a high sulfur content. The dye will gunk up wicks and internals of whatever you use it in... eventually. Rotten Robbie sells it for $5.60 per gallon.

K1 is clear kerosene with much less sulphur and for most applications that's what you need.

Unfortunately I found out that not everything listed as K1 is actually pure kerosene... and that's a problem.

Normally kerosene has a flashpoint of around 130-150 degrees. The "Klean" brand K1 kerosene has a much lower Flashpoint of only 100 degrees which is fine for pressure stoves and Coleman lanterns... but is unsafe for wick type lanterns.

The excess heat vaporizes the fuel and the vapors push past the wick turning the lamp into a blow torch in a self sustaining reaction.

So why does this fuel have such a low flashpoint? Because it's blended with other fuels. Basically it's Amish mix, white gas and kerosene. So word of warning on that one.

TLDR? Not all Kerosene is created equal. Choose wisely.



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Candle lamps for SHTF

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I've been warned that Jet A contains some additives that can be carcinogenic but I don't know how true that is. Because if it isn't I'd love to be able to load up some 5 gallon jugs of it.
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A guy at Cable airport let us use his Cessna Citation as a fuel source to keep the kerosene heater running in our hanger. No cancer - yet.
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I've been warned that Jet A contains some additives that can be carcinogenic but I don't know how true that is. Because if it isn't I'd love to be able to load up some 5 gallon jugs of it.
Most likely that isn't Jet A, but Jet A1. It contains additives, so that it can be used in low temperatures.
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I have been burning Jet A for years in lanterns.

Works well for cold weather diesel also. Never heard of it being bad for you. Seems like the guys working the flight line would all have cancer.
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I use 1K clear or aviation kerosene for lanterns and #2 diesel for the heaters. Pump stuff works for heaters too. Good bang for the buck.

Never a problem accept the #2 needs a good 5min to get a hot flame going in the heaters. After that it works great. 2 gallons gets me 12 hrs run time@23k btu heater.
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Thats why I don't bother with kerosene in my Dietz or oil lamps. Just buy a few gallons of lamp oil at Wallmart. Put it in a sealed metal can instead of the plastic jugs it comes in. Smells much better when using indoors as well. But good info reguardless. Kerosene alternatives like klean-heat also have a high flashpoint (150 or so.)
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have you seen diesel lately its superclean it actually smells better than kerosene
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have you seen diesel lately its superclean it actually smells better than kerosene
The issue is flashpoint. Diesel has a flashpoint of 200 and can cause issues in wick lanterns, not to mention all the additives.

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^^ I advise you try the diesel in a lamp before you make up your mind about it.

My kerosene heaters do not recommend diesel due to possibly clogging.
I found flow rate is key.
1K vs #2 diesel will produce the same heat but the 1K makes for a better light. Both light up with a match/bbq lighter.
Flow rate of the fuel moving up the wick is key.
Once the wick gets hot enough and adjusted to an efficient burn height you're good.
Any flow problems with can be fixed by adding a shot or 2 of 91% alcohol or 1K. Helps the flow.
My actual observations/experience. YMMV.

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Bought a case plus a roll of wick.
http://www.lanternnet.com/Merchant2/...Dietz-Lanterns
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^^ I advise you try the diesel in a lamp before you make up your mind about it.

My kerosene heaters do not recommend diesel due to possibly clogging.
I found flow rate is key.
1K vs #2 diesel will produce the same heat but the 1K makes for a better light. Both light up with a match/bbq lighter.
Flow rate of the fuel moving up the wick is key.
Once the wick gets hot enough and adjusted to an efficient burn height you're good.
Any flow problems with can be fixed by adding a shot or 2 of 91% alcohol or 1K. Helps the flow.
My actual observations/experience. YMMV.

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**Added a link of lamp model I use.
Bought a case plus a roll of wick.
http://www.lanternnet.com/Merchant2/...Dietz-Lanterns
I'm looking at getting those. That's a nice price.

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Learned something else new today.

Apparently the fuel additive Prist is being replaced at some airports with a less toxic and non-carcinogenic called Flash 190 from Dice.

It changes the formula slightly which dramatically makes treated Jet A a lot safer to be around.

Good news for the people running it indoors.

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How do we really know what is best to burn inside?
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Back in the early '70's we would buy Chevron karosene in five gal. sealed cans for heating our boat. Very little smell, but expensive. We never were able to find diesel # 2 in South Cal.
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I've been warned that Jet A contains some additives that can be carcinogenic but I don't know how true that is. Because if it isn't I'd love to be able to load up some 5 gallon jugs of it.
What difference does it make if the jet fuel is burned in a lamp or a jet engine? wouldn't a jet engine be spewing out carcinogens just like a lamp? All that crap eventually get breathed in.


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Propane.

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Thats why I don't bother with kerosene in my Dietz or oil lamps. Just buy a few gallons of lamp oil at Wallmart. Put it in a sealed metal can instead of the plastic jugs it comes in. Smells much better when using indoors as well. But good info reguardless. Kerosene alternatives like klean-heat also have a high flashpoint (150 or so.)
Yeah, same here. I bought several of those cheapie oil lamps and a bunch of oil. We use them occasionally outside in the summer or camping. They work fine.

We are believers in Eneloop rechargeable batteries and led lights with a couple 100w solar panels and a couple AGM batteries for home emergencies.

I also refill the throw away green propane containers for camping from a larger tank. It is easy to do with an adapter if you follow the procedures. Works great for Buddy Heaters, camp stoves/BBQs and Coleman gas lamps.

I also keep 5 gallons of Klean-Heat kerosene and 35 gallons of gas.

The little oil lamps work very well for small areas.
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