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Old 01-23-2020, 8:48 AM
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It was the day when the liberal media tagged every one of those people a white nationalist.
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The Rally did everything it was supposed to do. It drew national (and even international) attention. It prompted statewide political action in the creation of 2nd A sanctuary cities and counties, and it put all of us on the line...it is time for all of us to walk our talk. That means the "doing nothing complainers because its all hopeless" will lie down and let the Marxists march right over them. But for those who supported the rally, and even held their own, now we...WE...have to put up or shut up. When unjust unconstitutional laws are passed, we have to resist them and disobey them while at the same time putting our money where our mouths are, and challenging them in court. It has to be a multi-pronged response. It will not be a fight won in a day or a month or a year. It may take decades to wipe the laws from the books. It may even take events that resemble Ruby Ridge...or large groups of people holding ground and refusing to surrender even while surrounded by armed police. If they want to confiscate guns, we have to resist. If some of us have our guns taken away, our supporters must supply us with new ones so we can still exercise our Second Amendment rights. For those unwilling to face this challenge, perhaps the best thing you can do is shut up and get out of the way. But don't stand there pissing on our legs and acting like you know it all.
The lesson of January 20th is that each and every day from now on is January 20th. That date should be a banner, a tee shirt, even a flag.
From reading (and contributing) posts to this discussion, that seems to be precisely what the so-called "doing nothing complainers because its all hopeless" (among worse epithets) have been saying. As an example...

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...Simply going to a rally isn't going to be enough; either to make the changes or prevent the anti-civil rights politicians from making them. It may give them temporary pause in terms of the breadth of their attempt(s); but, Virginians have to plan and act as if it won't. If they don't and sit back, denying that it can and will happen "here," it won't be long before it does and they will be in a similar boat to California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Washington, Oregon, etc...
A political statement was made with the Sanctuary Counties and the Rally. Neither has the force of law behind it and neither appear to have altered the mindset, intentions, and actions of the State Legislators or Governor. Whatever one's feelings about Law Enforcement in general or as related to Virginia law enforcement in particular, it isn't 'defeatist' to caution that reliance on 'nullification through lack of enforcement' may prove less effective than hoped.

Calling those who've been there, done that (especially on numerous occasions and over the same types of legislation) names is neither useful nor entirely accurate; as has been pointed out in a couple of threads. Instead, the warnings should be heeded, the similarities (and differences) of circumstance noted, and lessons drawn for the fight ahead of you. Simply declaring that the veterans of such battles should "shut up and get out of the way. But don't stand there pissing on our legs and acting like you know it all" not only is it inappropriate, it is willfully ignoring the very people who can and are trying to help.

Passion and enthusiasm is good and necessary. However, passion and enthusiasm spent on "it makes us feel better" actions and not on efforts which actually accomplish something are largely wasted. It might not have even accomplished what you (and we) hope it did in terms of 'energizing the base.' As you observed, this "will not be a fight won in a day or a month or a year." Just bear in mind that citing incidents such as Ruby Ridge, calling for disobedience of laws, 'martyrdom' ("people holding ground and refusing to surrender even while surrounded by armed police") not only comes close to violating site rules, such posts have actually been used against you in this insofar as creating a narrative/perception in the media.

This is what you and several others don't appear to grasp. It's not that people have been saying "do nothing." What they've/we've been saying is that what is being touted as an accomplishment or 'victory' is only the beginning and is highly unlikely to achieve what some seem to think it has or will. MORE action will be required and you have to be prepared for losing battles along the way. Again, that's NOT defeatism, Stockholm Syndrome, "California Gun Owner Syndrome," being (expletive deleted), lying down, or similar. It's actually the exact opposite.

Most on this site understand and have experienced your anger and frustration. It's that taking it out on veterans of such wars is not only misdirected, it gets old, fast.
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Old 01-23-2020, 11:25 AM
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I wonder if any of the dems got the slightest little chill up their spine.....

What *could* they do against ~10,000 armed, unhappy & impolite patriots?
Not much. Which is while they will now be scurrying around trying to criminalize public carry. Maybe just photocopy the Mulford Act for a start.
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Our Friend Col Kurt has a few observations on Virginia .
I found them uplifting and challenging !
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurt...riots-n2559903
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https://www.gq.com/story/pro-gun-rally-threat

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No one was shot—a frankly extraordinary turn of events given the sheer amount of weaponry, the density of the crowd, and the weapons stuffed casually into backpacks or held loosely in the crooks of pale arms. This happy vicissitude of fate led right-wing groups to declare the event a triumph—in the words of fringe-right publications Gateway Pundit and InfoWars, a “peaceful protest.” Mainstream media, too, bought into this analysis: “Pro-gun rally by thousands in Virginia ends peacefully,” was the assessment of the Washington Post. Having made Northam the butt of their rhetorical ire during the rally, conservative groups further condemned his choice to declare a state of emergency in the state’s capital: “Gov. Northam fantasizes he saved Virginia from volatile situation,” crowed a headline at Breitbart.

All this confidence belied the fact that bloodshed—great and heavy and perhaps unprecedented on American soil—was narrowly averted.
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All this protest did was to firm up the Democrats resolve to show these deplorables who's boss.
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Keep pissing on people, and telling them it’s raining on them. I want Numnuts pour on the stupid. He and the others have been warned, the March was a message from the people. A2
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Well, the lawmakers are moving forward with all the gun control measures without a hiccup, so I guess not. The message fell on deaf ears. Getting together and complaining does not get it done these days. The governor is happy you are off his lawn, but that is about it.
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Keep pissing on people, and telling them it’s raining on them. I want Numnuts pour on the stupid. He and the others have been warned, the March was a message from the people. A2

Yep.

Honest question;

What do you guys think the police on-site in VA thought of all this?

Do you think they are looking forward to enforcing these gun laws after they get rammed through?
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Read something like that a couple days ago in the other thread.

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Media spin, then proceed as planned... Rally by thousands of gun rights activists ends peacefully

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...Authorities said there had been no reports of arrests or injuries...

But Democratic legislators said the rally would not affect their plans to pass gun control measures, including universal background checks and a limit of one handgun purchase a month.

“I was prepared to see a whole lot more people show up than actually did and I think it’s an indication that a lot of this rhetoric is bluster, quite frankly,” said Chris Hurst, a gun-control advocate in the Virginia House of Delegates, whose TV journalist girlfriend was killed in an on-air shooting in 2015...
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...I am grateful that this event went perfectly. It really rubbed the nose of media in the pile of poop they spewed.
Clearly, you don't understand. According to Northam...

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We are all thankful that today passed without incident. The teams successfully de-escalated what could have been a volatile situation. This resulted from weeks of planning and extensive cooperation among state, local, and federal partners in Virginia and beyond.

Virginia’s law enforcement and first responders demonstrated tremendous professionalism. I’m proud of their work. I have spoken with Colonel Settle of the State Police, Colonel Pike of the Capitol Police, and Chief Smith of the Richmond Police Department, as well as leaders of the FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s office, and thanked them for keeping Virginia safe.

Thousands of people came to Richmond to make their voices heard. Today showed that when people disagree, they can do so peacefully. The issues before us evoke strong emotions, and progress is often difficult. I will continue to listen to the voices of Virginians, and I will continue to do everything in my power to keep our Commonwealth safe.
...it was Government action which precluded any violence, ratcheting down the volatility. Never mind that it was Northam and the Democrats in the State Legislature which were the ones screaming about violence, not to mention creating and feeding the fear and concerns to begin with. Insofar as "listening to the voices of Virginians," I guess the issue is which voices given, as I noted above...

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But Democratic legislators said the rally would not affect their plans to pass gun control measures, including universal background checks and a limit of one handgun purchase a month.

“I was prepared to see a whole lot more people show up than actually did and I think it’s an indication that a lot of this rhetoric is bluster, quite frankly,” said Chris Hurst, a gun-control advocate in the Virginia House of Delegates, whose TV journalist girlfriend was killed in an on-air shooting in 2015...
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Yep.

Honest question;

What do you guys think the police on-site in VA thought of all this?

Do you think they are looking forward to enforcing these gun laws after they get rammed through?
I doubt they are "looking forward to it," at least for some... Virginia sheriff says he won’t enforce state’s proposed gun laws if they pass

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...“If the bills go through as proposed, they will not be enforced — they’re unconstitutional,” Sheriff Richard Vaughan said. “We swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of Virginia, and that’s what we’ll do.”...
Culpeper sheriff says he won't enforce Va. gun control laws if he thinks they violate 2A

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At today's gun rally at the Virginia Capitol, Culpeper Sheriff Scott Jenkins said his enforcement of any state gun control laws that are passed will depend on how he interprets their constitutionality...
In other words, those two Sheriffs are, in essence, saying - "It depends..." - when it comes to actually enforcing these laws. (Note the portions I placed in bold.)
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GQ is a bunch of pansy Beta Males anyways, so I'm not surprised they said this.
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So, just a question here. What might be the responce if, unfortunately, a handful of the Democrat delegates who voted these bills were found hung in front of the capital one morning? They are pushing hard to provoke a war.
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So, just a question here. What might be the responce if, unfortunately, a handful of the Democrat delegates who voted these bills were found hung in front of the capital one morning? They are pushing hard to provoke a war.
A special election to replace them , after the appropriate mourning period of course .

And they would just become Dem martyrs .
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Here is the thing. If you are old enough to have been around here in CA when the assault weapons ban went into effect, you will remember many of CA Sheriff’s and police chief’s said the same thing.

“Note gonna enforce that”.

Well guess what? Those same folks retired, or got replaced over there years. And now look at where we are at.

I think the politicians in VA know what they are doing and know they can get away with this. And after a few years, they well end up just like CA.

Hope not, but that gathering of gun owners did nothing to change what those in charge are going to do.

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Finally, with full control of state government, including the governorship, Democrats in Virginia acted with celerity, passing legislation which would result in gun confiscation and negation of our Constitution. Only through a violent and bloody confrontation can they unleash the dogs of war on law-abiding Americans. Virginia may have once been for lovers but after the Democrat machinations, they’re going to need a new tag line.

Virginia is a harbinger of what is to come nationwide. If they succeed in Virginia, they can be expected to try the same tactics in other states run by Democrats.

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Virginia Democrats don’t realize that making war on Americans who support the Second Amendment while trashing the constitution will not get them the new civil war they think they can win. It will only precipitate a new revolution that will destroy them and their party for a generation.
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Here is the thing. If you are old enough to have been around here in CA when the assault weapons ban went into effect, you will remember many of CA Sheriff’s and police chief’s said the same thing.

“Note gonna enforce that”.

Well guess what? Those same folks retired, or got replaced over there years. And now look at where we are at.

I think the politicians in VA know what they are doing and know they can get away with this. And after a few years, they well end up just like CA.

Hope not, but that gathering of gun owners did nothing to change what those in charge are going to do.

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All the self delusional Ca "runaways". Aren't fighters, they're runners. And doing nothing to stop, or even slow the Crap-O-fornia cancer from following them.

NO FIGHT, was ever won by running, dodging, or ducking. Only fighting back with skill , determination, and resolve ever leads to victory.

In Ca. that means the Courts. And is likely the only recourse in Va. now that majority of voters there have a taste of "FREE CH!T".
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1/24/20 - Virginia House advances gun control measures

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...A Democratic-led House committee voted Friday for several pieces of gun legislation that a Republican majority has blocked for years. Those bills include limiting handgun purchases to once a month; universal background checks on gun purchases; allowing localities to ban guns in public buildings, parks and other areas; and a red flag bill that would allow authorities to temporarily take guns away from anyone deemed to be dangerous to themselves or others...

The measures will go to the full House for a vote, likely next week, before going to the Senate, which has already passed some gun-control bills of its own.

The House committee passed seven out of eight gun bills that Northam has said were his priority. But it did not take up an assault weapon ban, which some Democrats said they don't think can pass this year. The Senate has already killed off its version of the bill and some moderate Democratic senators said they won't support the legislation, which would outlaw the popular AR-15-style rifles...

Northam and Democratic lawmakers have credited their focus on gun control for helping them win full control of the General Assembly for the first time in more than two decades...
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Did they thank Bloomberg too?
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With all the discourse over how California has been there, done this already, why does this sound vaguely familiar?

Virginia gun control debate could push some counties to join West Virginia

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West Virginia HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 8 as Introduced

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The Democrats in Virginia, especially Bloomberg's bought and paid for puppets, could care less about gun owners or their views. They intend to pass all the gun control they want to appease their benefactor Bloomberg who they are beholden too, your Constitutional rights be damned!
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We will know how cowardly it is before mid summer.

We already know how cowardly it is. It honestly does not take that long to decide something like this. My right is infringed because I cannot obtain let alone bear arms neccesary to maintain a free state. Also how can I be charged unlimited fees to attempt to exercise my right? They're cowards that refuse to immediately slap down blatantly unconstitutional laws that harm millions.
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