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Old 07-17-2018, 12:30 PM
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Noble Cause wrote, "For example, if Ms. Butina walked up to you at some Gun Rights Event and engaged you in a conversation, and you talked about Gun Rights, are you Illegally "Cooperating" with a Russian Agent ? The Answer, is of course, NO."

I agree. Ms. Butina is just misunderstood. This is not about Russia trying to influence anyone. My hypothesis is that she thinks NRA members are sexy.

Well, why wouldn't she?

Seriously, as Noble Cause really said, Ms. Butina had her motives for approaching NRA members and any NRA members who would deign to speak with a pretty lady had their own separate motives for speaking with her, none of which was to "collude" with Russia.
Suggest you read the affidavit supporting the criminal complaint. As I said this is only the tip of the iceberg. Much more to come.

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That's interesting. Why do you suppose the Obama administration would allow Russian agents to enter the country?

They must have known about her. I recall the administration saying several times that all foreigners entering the country were thoroughly vetted.
She came in under a student visa. From the affidavit it appears the CI Div. of the FBI knew who she was and was keeping pretty close tabs on her from the beginning.
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Suggest you read the affidavit supporting the criminal complaint. As I said this is only the tip of the iceberg. Much more to come.



She came in under a student visa. From the affidavit it appears the CI Div. of the FBI knew who she was and was keeping pretty close tabs on her from the beginning
That doesn't answer my question. In fact it just reinforces it. If they had reason to believe she was a foreign agent, which it appears that they did, why was she allowed into the U.S. at all?
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Suggest you read the affidavit supporting the criminal complaint.
Suggest you look in the mirror. Some of us are good looking enough to attract pretty lady Russian agents. As Mrs. SCA said, "sure. if you think so."
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That doesn't answer my question. In fact it just reinforces it. If they had reason to believe she was a foreign agent, which it appears that they did, why was she allowed into the U.S. at all?
Because this was the "insurance policy" strzok was talking about? Install "foreign" agents in an attempt to impeach the Drumpf on charges of treason and foreign collusion? Based on the Trump Jr meeting with "russian operatives" to discuss "dirt on Clinton" (which turned out to be a big nothing burger), it was a honeypot from the get-go
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Yeah because some Russian woman attended an NRA convention. Give me a break.
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This joke of a story fits in perfect with the Democrat party agenda of praising open border gang killers , kill the baby, global warming, anti self defense democrat party platform.

While at the NRA convention we saw a box truck driving by with something like this Russian story plastered on its side. sure I smiled and flipped the snapper head off! he didn't stop however !
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Personally we are looking forward to the next NRA convention held in free state Indiana, where we will upgrade our memberships to Patron members!
Thanx Carlos!
I understand Moscow has put in a bid to host the 2020 NRA Convention.

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Suggest you look in the mirror. Some of us are good looking enough to attract pretty lady Russian agents. As Mrs. SCA said, "sure. if you think so."
I am sure you are so good looking that hundreds of Russian women want to be your "friend" on Facebook.

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Because this was the "insurance policy" strzok was talking about? Install "foreign" agents in an attempt to impeach the Drumpf on charges of treason and foreign collusion? Based on the Trump Jr meeting with "russian operatives" to discuss "dirt on Clinton" (which turned out to be a big nothing burger), it was a honeypot from the get-go
Paranoid, much?

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That doesn't answer my question. In fact it just reinforces it. If they had reason to believe she was a foreign agent, which it appears that they did, why was she allowed into the U.S. at all?
You don't seem to understand much about counterintelligence, do you?

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Yeah because some Russian woman attended an NRA convention. Give me a break.
Wouldn't it be the supreme irony that after spending in excess of $30,000,000 to get Donald Trump elected, he ends up taking the NRA down with him?
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What are you blabbing about? Why do you hate NRA that much? Are you a gun ban liberal?
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There's an old saying in DC...

In Vegas, if an attractive woman starts flirting with you, she's an Escort.
In DC, if an attractive woman starts flirting with you, she's a Spy.

Either way, you're getting F'ed.
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After all you've posted, you have the nerve to call me the paranoid one?
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Trust like faith is something built on experience. If someone lies to me all the time I don't trust them. If someone tells it like it is, I tend to trust them.

Sadly with all that is happening, my trust in our intelligence folk has been deeply shaken. We seem to be living in a world where every discussion ends with the conclusion that Trump is evil. It was hot today ... therefore Trump is evil. Trump is too hard on someone ... therefore Trump is evil. Trump is too soft on someone ... therefore Trump is evil. Is that all there is to talk about?
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Trust like faith is something built on experience. If someone lies to me all the time I don't trust them. If someone tells it like it is, I tend to trust them.

Sadly with all that is happening, my trust in our intelligence folk has been deeply shaken. We seem to be living in a world where every discussion ends with the conclusion that Trump is evil. It was hot today ... therefore Trump is evil. Trump is too hard on someone ... therefore Trump is evil. Trump is too soft on someone ... therefore Trump is evil. Is that all there is to talk about?
Very true and I might add that anyone on the NRA anti gun list has ZERO credibility!
A few examples of where the big democrat media has misled their viewers and readers.
#1 Rodney King who attacked police officers when apprehended after driving in excess of 100 MHP. Democrat media Rodney King is a nice guy who was beaten by white racist cops!
#2 Branch Davidians ambushed feds at Waco
#3 Gentle Giant Mike Brown had his hands up when shot. Truth was he was going for the cops gun
#4 Travyon Martin was buying skittles and minding his business when a racist neighborhood watch captain gunned him down.
Truth Martin was bashing his head into the concrete and self defense was the motive. Democrat media further lied calling it a stand your ground law.

In our household we try to avoid all of the democrat anti gun media and their subscription channels. In the event of forced viewing airport etc, we simply believe the exact opposite of what they say.
i.e. Trump is guilty of treason means Trump is standing up for America and the working person and the CNN network are the ones committing treason.
we have been Rush and talk radio fans since Rodney King !
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Sadly with all that is happening, my trust in our intelligence folk has been deeply shaken. We seem to be living in a world where every discussion ends with the conclusion that Trump is evil. It was hot today ... therefore Trump is evil. Trump is too hard on someone ... therefore Trump is evil. Trump is too soft on someone ... therefore Trump is evil. Is that all there is to talk about?
Trump got 2 scoops of ice cream and everyone else got one. Trump is evil
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Hate to break this to you, champ, but Rosenstein, Comey and Mueller are all Republicans.

Don’t forget you’re arguing with people who still think PizzaGate was real and Obama wiretapped Trump Tower.


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I hadn't heard much about PizzaGate. It must have been a TV type story.
As for wiretapping it was done and lots more illegal activity all based on fake dossiers !
https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...rump-campaign/

I humbly suggest you turn off and tune out every media source that has come out against RKBA.
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I hadn't heard much about PizzaGate. It must have been a TV type story.
As for wiretapping it was done and lots more illegal activity all based on fake dossiers !
https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...rump-campaign/

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I hadn't heard much about PizzaGate. It must have been a TV type story.

As for wiretapping it was done and lots more illegal activity all based on fake dossiers !

https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...rump-campaign/



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Illegal activity? Prove it.

I guess that’s why Flynn and Manafort on on their ways to being felons.


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Prove it huh !
Well Sir I had a momentary loss of memory ! Yup I forgot that it is impossible for a democrat federal agent within any branch of government to get charged with a crime. They are truly the untouchables !😥
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I guess that’s why Flynn and Manafort on on their ways to being felons.


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Manafort's charges stem from activities totally unrelated to anything in the original investigation (from years in the past) 2 of the 3 FBI agents that conducted the interview in which Flynn supposedly lied have stated they don't think that he did lie... What is that old line? You can indict a ham sandwich...
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So this comes out right after Comey Bashes the NRA

And the planned meeting for Trump/Putin is superseded in the news cycle of the 12 Russians being indicted.

There is a puppeteer at work behind the scenes orchestrating all of this.

There was a time when the FBI would have withheld the indictments until after the summit or only after speaking with the president and getting permission to release them. None of the talking heads on TV mentions this.

The FBI has decided to start conducting Foreign Policy and colluding with someone to affect our Democracy. Maybe it is the Russian, maybe not, if it is the Russians it is a crying shame that our FBI and justice system has become a tool of foreign agents.
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So this comes out right after Comey Bashes the NRA

And the planned meeting for Trump/Putin is superseded in the news cycle of the 12 Russians being indicted.

There is a puppeteer at work behind the scenes orchestrating all of this.

There was a time when the FBI would have withheld the indictments until after the summit or only after speaking with the president and getting permission to release them. None of the talking heads on TV mentions this.

The FBI has decided to start conducting Foreign Policy and colluding with someone to affect our Democracy. Maybe it is the Russian, maybe not, if it is the Russians it is a crying shame that our FBI and justice system has become a tool of foreign agents.
For what it's worth, it's being reported that Rosenstein gave Trump a choice of before or after the summit, and Trump picked before.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ome-pre-summit
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So this mornings paper has another picture of the Red Sparrow holding a large AR platform rifle at what appears to be a gun show. The odd thing about this pic is the vendor booth in the background is all in what appears to be Russian.


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That's from the NRA trip to Moscow visiting ORSIS in Dec 2015.
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I heard mattresses were peed on. Good times
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You pee on your mattress often?
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What’s True in the Trump ‘Golden Shower’ Dossier? Salacious Report Dogged President Throughout 2017
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I'm not vouching for the authenticity of newsweek's claims, but they were a quick reference of the event and its allegations. It takes too long to find truthful news these days.
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sorry, if you make fun of people that like to pee on things, or get peed on, you are a bigot, same as if you make fun of people that like to put things in their butts.
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I'm not vouching for the authenticity of newsweek's claims, but they were a quick reference of the event and its allegations. It takes too long to find truthful news these days.
It's not difficult to find truth in media if one eliminates every media source on the NRA anti gun list. BTW Newsweek did make the NRA list.

We have for decades enjoyed the humor and truth put out by several talk radio hosts.
Of all we listen to Rush Limbaugh is our favorite for truth,humor and exposing Fake News.

Another great option if a person enjoys watching TV is the NRA channel. The NRA is very careful to put out only truthful,verifiable information. It's fun too with several younger comentators!😃
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So, it appears accused Russian spy ALSO met with Fed and Treasury officials.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive...100302782.html

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The meetings, revealed by several people familiar with the sessions and a report from a Washington think tank that arranged them, involved Stanley Fischer, Fed vice chairman at the time, and Nathan Sheets, then Treasury undersecretary for international affairs


Anybody care to guess who the President of the United States was in 2015? Can someone wake Carlos up so we can hear his response? This should be hysterical.
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Right now they're trying to paint any and everybody not a Democrat as a russian spy.
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Right now they're trying to paint any and everybody not a Democrat as a russian spy.
Isn't that ironic. The far left admitted socialists, calling everyone else spies for a socialist nation state.
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Isn't that ironic. The far left admitted socialists, calling everyone else spies for a socialist nation state.
Exactly.
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