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Old 07-18-2018, 2:46 PM
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I hadn't heard much about PizzaGate. It must have been a TV type story.

As for wiretapping it was done and lots more illegal activity all based on fake dossiers !

https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...rump-campaign/



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Illegal activity? Prove it.

I guess that’s why Flynn and Manafort on on their ways to being felons.


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Prove it huh !
Well Sir I had a momentary loss of memory ! Yup I forgot that it is impossible for a democrat federal agent within any branch of government to get charged with a crime. They are truly the untouchables !😥
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Manafort's charges stem from activities totally unrelated to anything in the original investigation (from years in the past) 2 of the 3 FBI agents that conducted the interview in which Flynn supposedly lied have stated they don't think that he did lie... What is that old line? You can indict a ham sandwich...
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So this comes out right after Comey Bashes the NRA

And the planned meeting for Trump/Putin is superseded in the news cycle of the 12 Russians being indicted.

There is a puppeteer at work behind the scenes orchestrating all of this.

There was a time when the FBI would have withheld the indictments until after the summit or only after speaking with the president and getting permission to release them. None of the talking heads on TV mentions this.

The FBI has decided to start conducting Foreign Policy and colluding with someone to affect our Democracy. Maybe it is the Russian, maybe not, if it is the Russians it is a crying shame that our FBI and justice system has become a tool of foreign agents.
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So this comes out right after Comey Bashes the NRA

And the planned meeting for Trump/Putin is superseded in the news cycle of the 12 Russians being indicted.

There is a puppeteer at work behind the scenes orchestrating all of this.

There was a time when the FBI would have withheld the indictments until after the summit or only after speaking with the president and getting permission to release them. None of the talking heads on TV mentions this.

The FBI has decided to start conducting Foreign Policy and colluding with someone to affect our Democracy. Maybe it is the Russian, maybe not, if it is the Russians it is a crying shame that our FBI and justice system has become a tool of foreign agents.
For what it's worth, it's being reported that Rosenstein gave Trump a choice of before or after the summit, and Trump picked before.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ome-pre-summit
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So this mornings paper has another picture of the Red Sparrow holding a large AR platform rifle at what appears to be a gun show. The odd thing about this pic is the vendor booth in the background is all in what appears to be Russian.


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That's from the NRA trip to Moscow visiting ORSIS in Dec 2015.
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That's from the NRA trip to Moscow visiting ORSIS in Dec 2015.
I heard mattresses were peed on. Good times
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Keene and Clarke are old but they're not THAT old.
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You pee on your mattress often?
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What’s True in the Trump ‘Golden Shower’ Dossier? Salacious Report Dogged President Throughout 2017
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Newsweek? The Onion is now a more reputable source of informstion.
I'm not vouching for the authenticity of newsweek's claims, but they were a quick reference of the event and its allegations. It takes too long to find truthful news these days.
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sorry, if you make fun of people that like to pee on things, or get peed on, you are a bigot, same as if you make fun of people that like to put things in their butts.
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I'm not vouching for the authenticity of newsweek's claims, but they were a quick reference of the event and its allegations. It takes too long to find truthful news these days.
It's not difficult to find truth in media if one eliminates every media source on the NRA anti gun list. BTW Newsweek did make the NRA list.

We have for decades enjoyed the humor and truth put out by several talk radio hosts.
Of all we listen to Rush Limbaugh is our favorite for truth,humor and exposing Fake News.

Another great option if a person enjoys watching TV is the NRA channel. The NRA is very careful to put out only truthful,verifiable information. It's fun too with several younger comentators!😃
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So, it appears accused Russian spy ALSO met with Fed and Treasury officials.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive...100302782.html

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Accused Russian agent Maria Butina had wider high-level contacts in Washington than previously known, taking part in 2015 meetings between a visiting Russian official and two senior officials at the U.S. Federal Reserve and Treasury Department.

The meetings, revealed by several people familiar with the sessions and a report from a Washington think tank that arranged them, involved Stanley Fischer, Fed vice chairman at the time, and Nathan Sheets, then Treasury undersecretary for international affairs


Anybody care to guess who the President of the United States was in 2015? Can someone wake Carlos up so we can hear his response? This should be hysterical.
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Apparently, lobbyist are now spies, sounds about right.
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Apparently, lobbyist are now spies, sounds about right.
Right now they're trying to paint any and everybody not a Democrat as a russian spy.
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Right now they're trying to paint any and everybody not a Democrat as a russian spy.
Isn't that ironic. The far left admitted socialists, calling everyone else spies for a socialist nation state.
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Exactly.
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Regarding the $2,500 figure the Left likes to flaunt, implying it came
directly from Russian Government to the NRA to somehow influence
the NRA to collude with Russia.


First, the Amount is Actually $2,512.85

The Reason this fact is an important nuance:

$2,512.85 would be a rather odd amount for a Single Donation,
whereas an even $2,500 implies a Single Donation.
Mass Media would like to IMPLY its a single donation, since a lot of people
don't bother to read much beyond the Headlines.

The reality: 25 Individuals contributed to the total.

Also, the assumptions about "it had to be from Russian Agents" is absurd.

Occam's Razor tells us the simplest solution tends to be the right one.

It is likely the vast majority of the contributors were more than likely
US Citizens living in Russia, just keeping up their NRA memberships
and donations.
Just because it came from a Russian Address does
not automatically mean that person is Russian.

The Absurdity that the NRA would be influenced by $2512.85 is easily
demonstrated.

I've donated a lot more money to the NRA/NRA-ILA than $2512.85

Does that mean I now have more Influence over the NRA than the alleged
Russian Agents Contributors ?

The answer is of course, No. The NRA thanked me for my contributions,
and that was about it. And I am sure there are members on this board
who have contributed far more than me with a similar response.

For All You NRA Russian Conspiracy Advocates, I have a way
you can found out the Truth. Donate $5,000 to the NRA-ILA,
double the amount alleged to be coming from Russian Agents,
and then tell us how much you can influence NRA policy...




https://donate.nraila.org/Donate


We anxiously await your report !



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We have been under attack by Russia for a long time. The only person who doesn't seem to realize that is the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. And it stands to reason the Russians would play both sides of the fence.

By the way what Mariia Butina is accused of is not spying but being a unregistered agent of a foreign government. You boys seem kinda confused about that.
You like to claim we're misinformed. Does that make you feel better about constantly being wrong? The headlines l use the word "spy". It's shorthand. Try and keep up.

I also noticed you didn't refute the point that this occurred during the Obama tenure. Evidently knowing the Russians interfere isnt new, and would appear to have been condoned by some prior administration.



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Now that is a classic example of propaganda. You take a kernel of truth and you wrap it in a lie. The statement coming from the NRA is, I believe that the NRA took about $2,500 from Russians. So that is what you start with but then by the time you are through you are talking about both the NRA AND the NRA-ILA. See, you pulled the old switcheroo. The NRA-ILA is a seperate but affiliated organization. It is a 501(c)(4) corporation which does not have to disclose its donors to the public. It does have to disclose its donors to the IRS, however, but that rule mysteriously changed the day after the story broke about the NRA and Russia.

Now I suppose we will see the NRA-ILA donor list about the same time we see Donald Trump's tax returns. One would assume they would not be so stupid as to accept Russian money directly but would have laundered it through a shell corporation or maybe even a charitable foundation:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...-russian-money



Now I want you to think about that for a minute. We will assume that the leadership of the NRA are men of at least average intelligence. What person of even average intelligence would believe that Putin and the Oligarchs would permit the private ownership of firearms in Russia? Did your head explode? [/b]Pretty stupid isn't it?[/b]
Well, I have to agree with you. Everything you posted was pretty stupid. But we've come to expect that.
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Regarding the $2,500 figure the Left likes to flaunt, implying it came
directly from Russian Government to the NRA to somehow influence
the NRA to collude with Russia.


First, the Amount is Actually $2,512.85

The Reason this fact is an important nuance:

$2,512.85 would be a rather odd amount for a Single Donation,
whereas an even $2,500 implies a Single Donation.
Mass Media would like to IMPLY its a single donation, since a lot of people
don't bother to read much beyond the Headlines.

The reality: 25 Individuals contributed to the total.

Also, the assumptions about "it had to be from Russian Agents" is absurd.

Occam's Razor tells us the simplest solution tends to be the right one.

It is likely the vast majority of the contributors were more than likely
US Citizens living in Russia, just keeping up their NRA memberships
and donations.
Just because it came from a Russian Address does
not automatically mean that person is Russian.

The Absurdity that the NRA would be influenced by $2512.85 is easily
demonstrated.

I've donated a lot more money to the NRA/NRA-ILA than $2512.85

Does that mean I now have more Influence over the NRA than the alleged
Russian Agents Contributors ?

The answer is of course, No. The NRA thanked me for my contributions,
and that was about it. And I am sure there are members on this board
who have contributed far more than me with a similar response.

For All You NRA Russian Conspiracy Advocates, I have a way
you can found out the Truth. Donate $5,000 to the NRA-ILA,
double the amount alleged to be coming from Russian Agents,
and then tell us how much you can influence NRA policy...




https://donate.nraila.org/Donate


We anxiously await your report !



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<<<<< Portion Snipped for Brevity >>>>>
Now that is a classic example of propaganda. You take a kernel of truth and you wrap it in a lie. The statement coming from the NRA is, I believe that the NRA took about $2,500 from Russians. So that is what you start with but then by the time you are through you are talking about both the NRA AND the NRA-ILA. See, you pulled the old switcheroo. The NRA-ILA is a seperate but affiliated organization. It is a 501(c)(4) corporation which does not have to disclose its donors to the public. It does have to disclose its donors to the IRS, however, but that rule mysteriously changed the day after the story broke about the NRA and Russia.

Now I suppose we will see the NRA-ILA donor list about the same time we see Donald Trump's tax returns. One would assume they would not be so stupid as to accept Russian money directly but would have laundered it through a shell corporation or maybe even a charitable foundation:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...-russian-money

Now I want you to think about that for a minute. We will assume that the leadership of the NRA are men of at least average intelligence. What person of even average intelligence would believe that Putin and the Oligarchs would permit the private ownership of firearms in Russia? Did your head explode? Pretty stupid isn't it?

OMG....


I Can't Stop Laughing ! Seriously folks, I had to walk away from
the Keyboard twice... I laughed so hard I had Tears in my Eyes..

I cannot Believe Carlos Took The Bait.

But I guess an Ideologue like Carlos just can't help himself.

Here ya Go, Carlos, same Deal as Before, except changed to NRA
instead of NRA-ILA:


"For All You NRA Russian Conspiracy Advocates, I have a way you
can found out the Truth. Donate $5,000 to the -NRA-ILA- NRA
double the amount alleged to be coming from Russian Agents,
and then tell us how much you can influence NRA policy"...



https://donate.nra.org/donate

We anxiously await your report !






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OMG....


I Can't Stop Laughing ! Seriously folks, I had to walk away from
the Keyboard twice... I laughed so hard I had Tears in my Eyes..

I cannot Believe Carlos Took The Bait.

But I guess an Ideologue like Carlos just can't help himself.

Here ya Go, Carlos, same Deal as Before, except changed to NRA
instead of NRA-ILA:


"For All You NRA Russian Conspiracy Advocates, I have a way you
can found out the Truth. Donate $5,000 to the -NRA-ILA- NRA
double the amount alleged to be coming from Russian Agents,
and then tell us how much you can influence NRA policy"...



https://donate.nra.org/donate

We anxiously await your report !






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Well, he did cite vanity fair. I hear that and TeenBeat are some of the best investigative journals on the planet.....
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We have been under attack by Russia for a long time.
No you had not been. Regular spooking around is no worse than what some of US "allies" are doing. Nothing like economic espionage from China. Nothing like China contributions to Clinton campaign.

This is all made up hysteria that you had been fed.
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I believe the Russians have infiltrated the public schools, big democrat media ,the democrat party and most of the state Dept and lots of others on the NRA anti gun list!

If its not communist influence then why are all those people against our bill of rights ?
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<<< Portion Snipped for Brevity >>>


Now I suppose we will see the NRA-ILA donor list about the same time
we see Donald Trump's tax returns.
Emphasis mine.


Here ya Go:





MSNBC's Rachel Maddow released President Trump's 2005 tax returns
in the biggest over-hyped epic fail in Television history. Media analyst
Mark Dice has the story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9Z4W-rbWQI





ENJOY !!


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Well, he did cite vanity fair. I hear that and TeenBeat are some of the best investigative journals on the planet.....


Да, ярмарка тщеславия хорошо известна своими
Следственная журналистика .... НЕ.



I hired one of them "Russian Bots" to Investigate ...
They are surprisingly Cheap !

Must be that NRA Discount I got, that certainly made the difference.




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Gotta love the progression:

Nobody on my campaign had anything to do with any Russians.

The people who met with the Russians were not on my campaign.

The people who met with the Russians only played a minor role.

They may have met with the Russians but nothing of significance was discussed.

Nobody on my campaign colluded with the Russians.

Collusion is not a crime.

By the way Noble, you righties have the worst memes. Who the heck designs those things anyway? They are not just ugly, they are super ugly. You might want to recruit some gay folk to help you with that.
So only gay people are artists? How long have you been a bigot?
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Gotta love the progression:

Nobody on my campaign had anything to do with any Russians.

The people who met with the Russians were not on my campaign.

The people who met with the Russians only played a minor role.

They may have met with the Russians but nothing of significance was discussed.

Nobody on my campaign colluded with the Russians.

Collusion is not a crime.

By the way Noble, you righties have the worst memes. Who the heck designs those things anyway? They are not just ugly, they are super ugly. You might want to recruit some gay folk to help you with that.
You had not been listening, and if you listened, then you did not understand. You are just following what liberal media is feeding you, without any thought.

The entirety of Russian story is made up bull**** designed as a political tool.
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Gotta love the progression:

Nobody on my campaign had anything to do with any Russians.

The people who met with the Russians were not on my campaign.

The people who met with the Russians only played a minor role.

They may have met with the Russians but nothing of significance was discussed.

Nobody on my campaign colluded with the Russians.

Collusion is not a crime.

By the way Noble, you righties have the worst memes. Who the heck designs those things anyway? They are not just ugly, they are super ugly. You might want to recruit some gay folk to help you with that.
So because I support Free Speech and the 2nd Amendment,
and as a consequence of that, I support the NRA & Pro 2A President Trump,
you consider me to be one of the "righties" ?

As usual with your pontifications, your wrong and don't have clue what
your talking about. Hint..... I am a registered Independent, just
like the Majority of Voting Americans.

As far as the Russian Narrative you bitterly cling to, I think
we can easily sum it up with the following:






I will let you figure out the sexual orientation of the above meme creator,
since that appears to be important in your bigoted view of the world.


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Sorry, I forgot righties have no sense of humor. But what I did not realize is that you were so into Political Correctness.



Well now we are going to see about that, but given the convictions and guilty pleas to date it appears it is you and not I who are living in the information bubble. Your English could use some work, especially in the area of verb tenses. Ask your supervisors for more classes.

I do have one question for you. Did Mariia Butina have an account on CalGuns? What was her user name? There are very few women here, I am sure we can figure it out if you are not allowed to tell.

Will you be coming to America for the opening of Trump Tower, Leavenworth, KS?
Another Word Salad response from Carlos....

Well, since the only thing I find laughable in your posts are your
assorted ideological rants, you will have to let everyone know
when your attempting to be humorous, because your really bad
at it.

On the other hand, your nonsensical posts are quite amusing.

For Todays Lesson, we will attempt to Inform Carlos of how things work
in the Real World.

Let's have Renowned Legal Expert, Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz
Explain things to Carlos. Mr Dershowitz shares Carlos's dislike for Trump,
(he voted for Hillary) and Dershowitz is a staunch Liberal Democrat.

Furthermore, Dershowitz has stated:
"I'm not a defender of Donald Trump, I'm a defender of
civil liberties and due process."


Dershowitz: Mueller 'Inventing a Crime' of Collusion
https://pjmedia.com/video/dershowitz...ime-collusion/
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"Today we see that Mueller announces that one of the things that he's
going to go after Trump for -- and Rosenstein says he can do it -- is
collusion!" Dershowitz exclaimed. "Now he's inventing a crime!
There's no such crime as collusion in the federal statute.
You can't just make up crimes!"
We still have No Evidence of Collusion, with an endless investigation
that is so desperate, they will soon be indicting a Russian Salad along
with a Ham Sandwich that was presumed guilty because it was on the
same table.

In the mean time, I am going to enjoy the 37% growth of my investment
portfolio since Trump became President and started implementing his
promised policies, watching the Left having a Meltdown over the 4.1%
second-quarter GDP growth, record numbers of employment, the quiet
Destruction of ISIS (remember those A-Holes ? Media doesn't mention
them at all now... I wonder why that is ...

Carlos, you Need To Pace Yourself, because all indications point to
Trump winning in 2020 again.... So your self induced TDS Nightmare
will continue for the foreseeable future, and possibly beyond...

Remember, one of Trump's Sons has shown an interest in Politics
and could run in 2024...


Noble

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Sorry, I forgot righties have no sense of humor. But what I did not realize is that you were so into Political Correctness.



Well now we are going to see about that, but given the convictions and guilty pleas to date it appears it is you and not I who are living in the information bubble. Your English could use some work, especially in the area of verb tenses. Ask your supervisors for more classes.

I do have one question for you. Did Mariia Butina have an account on CalGuns? What was her user name? There are very few women here, I am sure we can figure it out if you are not allowed to tell.

Will you be coming to America for the opening of Trump Tower, Leavenworth, KS?
As far as comedy, dont quit your day job.
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The plot thickens. Did the raid on Butina cause a change in NRA leadership?
Motherjones? Wikipedia down?
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Gotta love the progression:

Nobody on my campaign had anything to do with any Russians.

The people who met with the Russians were not on my campaign.

The people who met with the Russians only played a minor role.

They may have met with the Russians but nothing of significance was discussed.

Nobody on my campaign colluded with the Russians.

Collusion is not a crime.

By the way Noble, you righties have the worst memes. Who the heck designs those things anyway? They are not just ugly, they are super ugly. You might want to recruit some gay folk to help you with that.
Well in all fairness to Carlos lets compare Trump with his attackers and see who is wrong more often.

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I love the way you guys stick your fingers in your ears and yell la la la every time facts which disrupt your belief system surface. So the author invented that the bigwigs at the NRA were palin around with a Russian guy under investigation for money laundering for the Russian Mafia.

According to you he also invented that a high level NRA delegation travelled to Russia and met with people close to Putin including one who had been sanctioned by the US government. They even invented a picture of them together.



If you actually read what you quoted the author said the fake news stories were "aimed at damaging" it did not say they actually damaged her chances. As to CNN and MSNBC I have no idea what you are talking about. During the campaign they covered Donald Trump 24/7. You know what Mark Cuban said about publicity.



The Pro Second Amendment Organizations I belong to are not right wing lobbying groups disguised as gun rights organizations. Did you know the NRA tried to derail the Heller decision three times?

The Pro Second Amendment Organizations I belong to would never throw a gun owner or lawful concealed carrier under the bus because of the color of his skin.

The Pro Second Amendment Organizations I belong to would never endorse a cowardly draft dodger for president let alone one who claims to be a great patriot or have a draft dodging pedophile on their board of directors.

By the way this post is not about me it is about the NRA and it smells to high heaven. You might want to address that and skip the personal attacks. It is not very "noble"




Finally, since common sense and logic instead of name calling and distraction. Thanks.

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Do you really believe that the NRA is the most effective defender of our 2nd Amendment rights? What do you base that assertion on? Who brought the Heller case and why did the NRA try to derail it and why did the NRA try to screw up Alan Gura and the McDonald decision. It seems to me that nationally the Cato Institute is more effective than the NRA and in California the CRPA and the FPC are far more effective than the NRA. So lets have your proof.



I belonged to the NRA for about 30 years. I owe them a lot. I learned to shoot four position small bore in one of their programs. The first hint of trouble came when the Black Panthers appeared at the Capitol loaded open carrying. The NRA and Ronald Reagan immediately supported a bill to outlaw loaded open carry. Now they could have crafted a much narrower bill, say one prohibiting firearms in government buildings but they chose to go with the much more general prohibition which is why we do not have loaded open carry to this day.



The second indication that the NRA was shifting from an organizations which encouraged shooting, shooting sports, hunting, and firearm safety was when they built that huge building. An edifice like that takes a lot of money to maintain and so they adopted a strategy of trying to get far right wing lobbying money and branched out from gun rights to a number of right wing causes. No doubt that strategy had some benefits in states that are extremely red but in blue states like California it has been a disaster. Right now the Republican Party is in third place behind the Democratic Party and No Party Preference and sinking fast. In addition the trend across the country and not just in California is that more and more people are not identifying with any political party. In that atmosphere, hitching your wagon to either political party is a recipe for disaster. We have the gun laws we do because the NRA has bungled things so badly.



So I belong to the CRPA, and the LGOA and I contribute to the FPC. That way I know that my money is not being used to pay off Stormy Daniels.



It seems to me that one of the most vital things the NRA can do is to encourage shooting and shooting sports and revitalize the programs like the one that brought me into the sport. Gun ownership is declining in terms of percentage of people owning guns and we need to make a concerted effort to reach out to anyone who shows an interest in shooting especially millennials.

I try to take as many people as I can to the range to learn how to shoot. It doesn't seem like much but it's grass roots support that has the potential to turn things around.



We also need to reduce gun deaths and violence in our society. Two thirds of all gun deaths are suicides. 90% of those are males. The largest cohort is the age group from 45-64. We need to provide them with universal health care including mental health. We need to establish programs to reach out to them and we need to make the economy work for them which it is not.



The remaining 10,000 deaths are murders. The single biggest driver of violence in this or any other society is economic inequality. We need to solve the problems of the inner cities where most of these deaths occur. We need to improve education, establish job training programs, target at risk youth, abandon the war on drugs and put the money into rehabilitation programs, we need to improve the possibility of upward mobility and restore hope.



So now that I have answered your question I have one for you. I received the same notice your Dear Leader got. I went down and enlisted while he ran home and hid under the bed. Now he claims to be a great patriot. How can you support a draft dodger when so many patriotic Americans gave their lives? I lost some good friends over there and I will never consider Hanoi Donald my president.


I'm glad I'm not the only one that can't stand what a historically amazing organization has devolved into.

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Remember when Trump originally said the Trump Tower meeting was about Russian adoption? He's changed his story (again) and now thinks it's legal to meet with a foreign government to get dirt on your campaign opponent; he even admits it. His tweet from this morning:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...84333315153924



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You are all insane. You really can not believe that meeting amounted for anything whatsoever.
Just gobbling up liberal hysteria. Pathetic.
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