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Old 03-15-2018, 7:54 PM
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This is mostly in BLM and SBNF lands, maybe they will hold special hunts for them like up around Fresino, and north of there.

Here's what was posted in the LA Times via Cactus Thorns blog:

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"[LATimes:*Feral cattle terrorize hikers and devour native plants in a California national monument]. Feature photo*Clinton Christensen / Courtesy of the White Water Preserve). Feral cattle are believed to be descendants of herds that grazed ranchlands throughout the region a century ago.]




March 12, 2018 | Take Two KPCC staff
If you hop on Interstate 10 and head east for a couple hours, youíll find yourself at the*Sand to Snow National Monument. Itís a longtime destination for nature lovers thatís also become home to herds of gigantic,*wild cattle*that are now wreaking havoc on the environment.

Jack Thompsonís been spotting these feral cattle for a number of years now. Heís the Desert Regional Director of the*Wildlands Conservancy. He joined Take Two to explain the problem.

The origin of SoCalís feral cattle

Thereís been ranching in this area historically for many decades and the terrain is very steep and rugged, so itís not unfeasible that these cattle went astray and have been difficult to round up. And with that happening, they multiply.

Roaming free is a problem

Cattle are such big animals, and they have such a big appetite, so theyíll be drawn to areas where thereís water. And where thereís water, thereís sensitive habitat, so theyíll cause damage. Thatís a problem for land managers to care take the land. Areas you can see these cattle moving in have been deeply impacted. Clear streams are now polluted from the cattleís droppings.

Impact on other wildlife

One of the big concerns is that these cattle will be interacting in the same space as the big horn sheep in this area and will pass their diseases on to them.

Whatís being done to manage feral cattle

Land managing agencies that have the cows on their land are doing an investigation to find out where the animals are, how many there are and are talking to adjacent land owners to find out if their ongoing cattle operations may be related to these cows.

A humane solution

Itís hard to say without all that information. Certain cowboys have looked at it and expressed dismay at the difficulty of rounding them up safely. Theyíve been wild so long they can out-maneuver a person on a horse very easily.

Hikers beware

Hikers have had some interaction with the cattle. Theyíre so common on the popular hiking tails, one volunteer with the Pacific Coast Trail Assn. was nearly run down and gored by one of these feral cattle recently. You definitely want to keep your distance and give them a wide berth. Do not approach these animals at all." End Quote.

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Neat. Too bad these cows taste like dirt because of what they eat. I’ve heard of guys around this area setting up a large trailers with a ramp that the cows can walk up on. They stick a bunch appetizing food at the back inside end of the trailer in an effort to coax the cow into the trailer. If the cow takes the bait, you slam the door shut, take the cow home and feed it grains/corn for a few weeks/months in an effort to make the meat taiste better. If all goes as planned, you’ve got beef for over a year.
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Why not just shoot them since they are just cattle ? and are destroying the ecosystem etc...
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In CA there is no such thing as Feral Cattle. They belong to someone.

https://californiaoutdoorsqas.com/20...tle-run-feral/
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dupe late to the party. we are waiting for approval or what laws aRE
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dupe late to the party. we are waiting for approval or what laws aRE
I think the OP was deleted because I posted too much access information, and maybe too much about a hunting operation in the area. IMHO the cattle came from the Morongo Indians. If you scout up in the most rugged areas you can find old cow pies.
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Oh OK . I should have looked at my PM>s pm me. Be nice if we could harvest a couple and butcher I have a processor we use for cattle we raise in Antelope Valley.
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Anybody want to go on a cow hunt? If they aren’t tagged or branded to show proof of ownership why can’t the public shoot them? They are invasive and not categorized as game.
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The biologist and the warden in that area are pretty cool. Iíd wager a land owner could work with them to develop a ďsolutionĒ. Particularly if the LO was in fear of life or limb.
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If they really want them gone a few real cowboys and a bunch of cow dogs would have them at the sale in no time...the issue is livestock laws are up there with water rights and not many have the power or willingness to over rite them. Then through in the indian tribe for good measures and it really gets complicated.

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Hunting is no longer a valid method (PC) of population control. Gotta trap them, sterilize them and relocate or set FREE...or hire the gov't to kill them.

I'd eat 'em. I've eaten range beef (died in the pasture and got it before bloat) and I like (prefer) it. But I like my meat lean, not all fatted up.

Beef, with their 4 stomachs, the taste isn't really affected by diet.
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I have shot wild ( feral) cattle before, they are no joke, they are wild. Pretty easy to kill but shoot at a distance. They will charge you. Semi auto preferred .
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I have shot wild ( feral) cattle before, they are no joke, they are wild. Pretty easy to kill but shoot at a distance. They will charge you. Semi auto preferred .
Many years ago, my dad shot a wild burro. He butchered and gave it to people who asked about some of that "free" deer meat.
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In England I hear that you can buy horse meat in local butcher shops. Wonder how it tastes?
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They add thrill to the hike, kind of like hiking in bear country, but not as cool and more dangerous. Any qualified PCT hiker should mot have an issue.

The enviros claim they poop non native seeds....but if all they are eating is the stuff growimg out there, wouldn't their droppings be native, organic, and good (per PETA and Center for Biological Diversity, etc.)?
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I'd pay $200 for a permit to harvest one.
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Horse is delicious. Makes for an amazing tartare.
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Lot of horse meat in france for sale.
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I’ll sign up as a volunteer cow problem fixer!! I’d pay $200 for a tag if needed... let’s start a petition!
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It's crazy how smart and spooky those things get after being wild for a while. I know two areas that have them. Both places they have been there 20 + years.
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Heck, I'd do it just on principle. There's been more than one occasion I've been tempted as they've wandered in front of me while hunting deer.
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It's crazy how smart and spooky those things get after being wild for a while. I know two areas that have them. Both places they have been there 20 + years.
They are descended from aurochs, which were notoriously mean. Taking one with a recurve would be an awesome homage to our forebears.
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Possibly a quick way to meet those forebears yourself, I'd imagine.
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Anyone find a legal way to do this yet? I remember the original thread inferred it was possible.
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There is only one way.
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But wait! The article says the cattle were “terrorizing hikers”. Well then, they are terrorist cattle...like the ISIS cattle. They must be extinguished!
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No ear tag.. no brand..They are not fenced in.. its not a game animal who is going to bust you what laws have you broken for killing one ?
My buddy's wife is a brand inspector I will ask him today.
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Let us know could use some ground meat amd mother in law roast.
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This story updated in April. They don't know that cattle can jump fences or be found easily, especially wild cattle. They can either clear the fence or raise rair up and come down on the fence with their
chest or belly. They are in the mission creek watershed too, down in the creek at the Stone House west and north to the PCT, then to the Whitewater River South and North to Catclaw Flats.

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WHITEWATER, Calif. - Just to the west of Palm Springs is a vast, rolling wilderness: the Sand to Snow National Monument. It's quiet here, a peaceful spot for hikers and nature worshippers, many taking the time to explore the rigorous Pacific Crest Trail. But it's also where a growing population of an unexpected species has taken control and opened a political can of worms.

"There's tons of little trails that clearly weren't made by humans out here," said Rick Albert, an avid hiker.




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Damage done by the feral cattle can even be seen from Google Earth images.
Albert has hiked the local section of the Pacific Crest Trail for years. He says he's noticed significant degradation of the paths, and amid the small bloom of California poppies, a less charming sight.

"The evidence is droppings," said Albert, referencing the ever-present cow paties.

"To have feral cattle on those lands..is in direct contrast to what was intended on these landscapes," said Jack Thompson, desert regional director at the Wildlands Conservancy.

Thompson said he first began raising attention to the cow issue in 2014, after seeing damage done to rare endangered bird habitats, water quality, and potential for disease transmission to bighorn sheep roaming the mountain sides. With the feral cow population on the rise, all of that is in jeopardy, not to mention, the risk hikers now face on the trails.

"Out of nowhere, I think I heard it first, and this bull came charging right at me, snorting," recounted Don Line, a volunteer at the Whitewater Visitors Center and area coordinator for the Pacific Crest Trail. "I had about a second to jump out of the way, and I hit him on the side of the head with a fence post, and he just kept lumbering right down the trail, and then about a hundred yards or so where there was an existing gate, he ran right through it."


Line was nearly gored by a feral bull in early March while he was doing maintenance on the trails, far out of cellphone reception.

"Easily he could have turned his head, and you know, with his horns or something got my arms or body or something. Who knows?" said Line.

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The stories we heard of the illusive feral cattle right in our backyard started to sound like Big Foot sightings. Naturally, we had to see them for ourselves. Jack Thompson led CBS Local 2's Kelley Moody and assistant news director Tim Kiley on a 7-mile trek in search of the animals. We sent our drone Skyview 2 through the nooks and crannies of the trails, but the cows continued to evade us.

Days later, we received video taken by one of the rangers of a group of cattle grazing just south of the Whitewater Visitor's Center.

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Thompson believes the damage done by the cattle could be in the millions, much of that being taxpayer money. The Bureau of Land Management is leading the investigation into the feral cattle.

"We've heard a couple of different speculative rumors, and we're trying to do our due diligence to figure out who, if anyone, has an ownership interest at this time, but it's uncertain," said Douglas Herrema, Palm Springs South Coast field manager with the Bureau of Land Management.

Line, the volunteer who had the dangerous encounter with a feral bull, believes the cattle came from the local Indian reservation. We looked into the rumors surrounding reservation involvement and received the following statement from Michael Fisher, spokesman for the Morongo Band of Mission Indians:


There is nothing to suggest that this cattle originated from Morongo. Wild cattle have been roaming the San Bernardino Mountains since the late 1800's when cattle ranches dotted this entire region from Whitewater to Yucaipa to the mountain communities. It's not uncommon for these unbranded cows to wander out of the mountains onto the Morongo Reservation, so the tribe has been in contact with the BLM, the US Forest Service, and others to discuss managing the issue.

Herrema said there may be between 80 and 120 head of cattle roaming freely in the area. He said his office is awaiting approval for a funding proposal to proceed with solutions to the issue, some as simple as fencing the area.

"Because of the ruggedness of the terrain, because of the number of animals, because of the nature of them being feral, it could be quite challenging. It could take some time," said Herrema, "The ranchers with whom I've spoken have said domestic cattle out on a plain are quite a bit easier to corral than wild animals in the hills, so it's very difficult to speculate. I wouldn't be comfortable providing a timeline, but we are committed to working on the issue diligently."

Those on the trails say they've also come across feral dogs who they believe were dumped and have taken up residency in the area. Herrema tells us the dogs have been seen preying on wild cattle. He said one of the dogs was killed by a legal hunter who was protecting himself. He believes there are two left and says BLM is working with Riverside County Animal Control to handle the issue.

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They can be tracked down with cattle driving horses, these horse can follow the cattle scent, the tracks, and or their sound. And they don't spook the cattle like as a dog will. Yes I lived on a farm with 75 head of cattle that seasonally free ranged during the day.
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So other than to waste tax payer money; is there a reason our government doesn’t just issue 80 tags in a lottery for hunters to go resolve this problem?
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Blame it on the anti hunters and anti firearms crew, they seem to be using the liability card, as though the cattle have legitimate owners. They have been there for years, excaped and then abandon.
But still in California animals fall under the lost property law, which basically says that because you lost it doesn't relinquish your ownership right. Without going through certain legal procedures, the original owner still fully owns the property.

They can hold hunts, even for people that don have a hunting license, a hunting license isn't required to take domestic or exotic animals, with the exception of pigs.

This isn't the only time cattle have been trespassing on Government land, remember Bundy in Nevada, regardless BLM had a cattle hunt up near Bakersfield and Fresno, in the Sierra Foothills.
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Well; then if they are so worried about private property why don't these anti hunters go rassle up some of the cattle themselves and see if they are tagged/branded.. If they are they can then fine the owner for not collecting his/hers "lost" property. I don't know the legalities of wandering cattle, but it seems like if they are indeed someone's "property" then they should be considered forfeit for the time/effort to eliminate them vs their value.
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The BLM and NFS would have to advertise their intentions, then wait 30 days, because they aren't branded doesn't mean someone doesn't have a claim on them. Then they could be considered BLM or NFS property. Just as if you lost a pet, or left a vehicle on a public road, or if you buried gold and forgot but remembered when someone found it.
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The gold is still yours, even if your grandfather buried the gold, it would be his next of kin, not someone that found it, even on private property. The finder's kerpers law is a Maritime Law. Some cities and LE agencies take all reported lost or abandon property, and after it isn't claimed they auction it off and keep the proceeds. You are required to report anything 100 dollars or less, 100 or more you have to turn it in. I know this stuff because one of my hobbies is metal detecting.

I personally know that cattle roam that area since the 1960's. But way back into the 1800's ranchers from San Bernardino grazed cattle up the Pipes, through the Morongo Basin, into the heart of JTNP.

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