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Old 03-15-2018, 7:54 PM
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Default Cattle In The San Gorgonio Wilderness, PCT, Sand To Snow

This is mostly in BLM and SBNF lands, maybe they will hold special hunts for them like up around Fresino, and north of there.

Here's what was posted in the LA Times via Cactus Thorns blog:

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"[LATimes:*Feral cattle terrorize hikers and devour native plants in a California national monument]. Feature photo*Clinton Christensen / Courtesy of the White Water Preserve). Feral cattle are believed to be descendants of herds that grazed ranchlands throughout the region a century ago.]




March 12, 2018 | Take Two KPCC staff
If you hop on Interstate 10 and head east for a couple hours, youíll find yourself at the*Sand to Snow National Monument. Itís a longtime destination for nature lovers thatís also become home to herds of gigantic,*wild cattle*that are now wreaking havoc on the environment.

Jack Thompsonís been spotting these feral cattle for a number of years now. Heís the Desert Regional Director of the*Wildlands Conservancy. He joined Take Two to explain the problem.

The origin of SoCalís feral cattle

Thereís been ranching in this area historically for many decades and the terrain is very steep and rugged, so itís not unfeasible that these cattle went astray and have been difficult to round up. And with that happening, they multiply.

Roaming free is a problem

Cattle are such big animals, and they have such a big appetite, so theyíll be drawn to areas where thereís water. And where thereís water, thereís sensitive habitat, so theyíll cause damage. Thatís a problem for land managers to care take the land. Areas you can see these cattle moving in have been deeply impacted. Clear streams are now polluted from the cattleís droppings.

Impact on other wildlife

One of the big concerns is that these cattle will be interacting in the same space as the big horn sheep in this area and will pass their diseases on to them.

Whatís being done to manage feral cattle

Land managing agencies that have the cows on their land are doing an investigation to find out where the animals are, how many there are and are talking to adjacent land owners to find out if their ongoing cattle operations may be related to these cows.

A humane solution

Itís hard to say without all that information. Certain cowboys have looked at it and expressed dismay at the difficulty of rounding them up safely. Theyíve been wild so long they can out-maneuver a person on a horse very easily.

Hikers beware

Hikers have had some interaction with the cattle. Theyíre so common on the popular hiking tails, one volunteer with the Pacific Coast Trail Assn. was nearly run down and gored by one of these feral cattle recently. You definitely want to keep your distance and give them a wide berth. Do not approach these animals at all." End Quote.

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Old 03-15-2018, 8:26 PM
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Neat. Too bad these cows taste like dirt because of what they eat. I’ve heard of guys around this area setting up a large trailers with a ramp that the cows can walk up on. They stick a bunch appetizing food at the back inside end of the trailer in an effort to coax the cow into the trailer. If the cow takes the bait, you slam the door shut, take the cow home and feed it grains/corn for a few weeks/months in an effort to make the meat taiste better. If all goes as planned, you’ve got beef for over a year.
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Backstrap and tenderloin never taste bad. I know where to go if we ever have another Great Depression.
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Why not just shoot them since they are just cattle ? and are destroying the ecosystem etc...
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In CA there is no such thing as Feral Cattle. They belong to someone.

https://californiaoutdoorsqas.com/20...tle-run-feral/
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dupe late to the party. we are waiting for approval or what laws aRE
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dupe late to the party. we are waiting for approval or what laws aRE
I think the OP was deleted because I posted too much access information, and maybe too much about a hunting operation in the area. IMHO the cattle came from the Morongo Indians. If you scout up in the most rugged areas you can find old cow pies.
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Oh OK . I should have looked at my PM>s pm me. Be nice if we could harvest a couple and butcher I have a processor we use for cattle we raise in Antelope Valley.
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Anybody want to go on a cow hunt? If they aren’t tagged or branded to show proof of ownership why can’t the public shoot them? They are invasive and not categorized as game.
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The biologist and the warden in that area are pretty cool. Iíd wager a land owner could work with them to develop a ďsolutionĒ. Particularly if the LO was in fear of life or limb.
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If they really want them gone a few real cowboys and a bunch of cow dogs would have them at the sale in no time...the issue is livestock laws are up there with water rights and not many have the power or willingness to over rite them. Then through in the indian tribe for good measures and it really gets complicated.

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Hunting is no longer a valid method (PC) of population control. Gotta trap them, sterilize them and relocate or set FREE...or hire the gov't to kill them.

I'd eat 'em. I've eaten range beef (died in the pasture and got it before bloat) and I like (prefer) it. But I like my meat lean, not all fatted up.

Beef, with their 4 stomachs, the taste isn't really affected by diet.
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I have shot wild ( feral) cattle before, they are no joke, they are wild. Pretty easy to kill but shoot at a distance. They will charge you. Semi auto preferred .
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I have shot wild ( feral) cattle before, they are no joke, they are wild. Pretty easy to kill but shoot at a distance. They will charge you. Semi auto preferred .
Many years ago, my dad shot a wild burro. He butchered and gave it to people who asked about some of that "free" deer meat.
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In England I hear that you can buy horse meat in local butcher shops. Wonder how it tastes?
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They add thrill to the hike, kind of like hiking in bear country, but not as cool and more dangerous. Any qualified PCT hiker should mot have an issue.

The enviros claim they poop non native seeds....but if all they are eating is the stuff growimg out there, wouldn't their droppings be native, organic, and good (per PETA and Center for Biological Diversity, etc.)?
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I'd pay $200 for a permit to harvest one.
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In England I hear that you can buy horse meat in local butcher shops. Wonder how it tastes?
Horse is delicious. Makes for an amazing tartare.
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Lot of horse meat in france for sale.
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In England I hear that you can buy horse meat in local butcher shops. Wonder how it tastes?
Like Zebra.
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I’ll sign up as a volunteer cow problem fixer!! I’d pay $200 for a tag if needed... let’s start a petition!
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Only thing those cattle would be good for is hamburger.
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It's crazy how smart and spooky those things get after being wild for a while. I know two areas that have them. Both places they have been there 20 + years.
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Heck, I'd do it just on principle. There's been more than one occasion I've been tempted as they've wandered in front of me while hunting deer.
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It's crazy how smart and spooky those things get after being wild for a while. I know two areas that have them. Both places they have been there 20 + years.
They are descended from aurochs, which were notoriously mean. Taking one with a recurve would be an awesome homage to our forebears.
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They are descended from aurochs, which were notoriously mean. Taking one with a recurve would be an awesome homage to our forebears.
Possibly a quick way to meet those forebears yourself, I'd imagine.
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Anyone find a legal way to do this yet? I remember the original thread inferred it was possible.
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There is only one way.
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But wait! The article says the cattle were “terrorizing hikers”. Well then, they are terrorist cattle...like the ISIS cattle. They must be extinguished!
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No ear tag.. no brand..They are not fenced in.. its not a game animal who is going to bust you what laws have you broken for killing one ?
My buddy's wife is a brand inspector I will ask him today.
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Let us know could use some ground meat amd mother in law roast.
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