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Old 11-18-2017, 10:58 PM
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Default Any Anschutz Shooters out there?

I'm thinking of picking up the Anschutz Model 64 with a Weaver T-36 scope and Talley Rings. I would use it as a hole punch and that's it. What are your thoughts/criticisms? All advice and criticism is appreciated, so long as you don't tell me a 10/22 is better.

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Old 11-19-2017, 2:56 AM
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Get the 54 instead of the 64.
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Old 11-19-2017, 4:49 AM
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cant go wrong with any anschutz especially if the price is right.

as far as the 10/22 thing...i HAD a new from kidd super grade....i STILL HAVE my CZ455.

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Old 11-19-2017, 8:07 AM
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True that the 54 is an improved design in bolt lock-up, trigger, and more consistent headspace over the 64. However, that improvement comes at a price difference. I think the top 3% of shooters could notice the difference. I shoot smallbore 3P with a 64 and I don't feel handicapped.
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Old 11-19-2017, 8:30 AM
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Get it and shoot some small bore NRA Silhouette. T 36 is a bit much for offhand shooting. I have a 64 MS and a 54 Super Match, as well as a 2001 pneumatic air gun. ALL are great. The 64 LOVES cheep Ely Club! 64 shoots better than the 54 but the 54 is shot out so the comparison is not fair.
Trade 10/22's in for baseball tickets at the next "buy back".
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Old 11-19-2017, 8:32 AM
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Always like those. Back in the day when we used to go every weekend to the local range I was able to shoot one that belonged to another member. Couldn't believe how accurate it was back then with the peep sight.
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Old 11-19-2017, 8:42 AM
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Smoothy8500 is on the right track.
Give the 64 a try. You can always move up to the 54 if you don't like the 64. Also, there is always a market for Anschutz rifles so no fears about loosing a lot of money on the deal.

I own four Anschutz 64's that I use for teaching youth to shoot. (Boy scout troops mainly). They are rugged, reliable, and accurate rifles that the boys love to shoot.

I used to compete with Anschutz 64's in Metallic Silhouette, prone and three position and the 64's are a great value for the money. Yes the 54's are more accurate and costly, but for an entry rifle, the 64's are great.

I do have a question about the Weaver T36 scope and if this is truly a 36x scope and if you will be "over-scoped" for the rifle.

(P.S. yes, the 10/22 can be made/modified to shoot as good as an Anschutz 64, if you like to tinker with the rugers.) YMMV.

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Old 11-19-2017, 9:57 AM
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Get a 54. I've got a 54 that I'm pretty unhappy with. I need to start messing with it and figure out why, but I'm definitely not a .22 expert, and I'm leaning heavily towards the problem being me and not the gun.
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I'm thinking of picking up the Anschutz Model 64 with a Weaver T-36 scope and Talley Rings. I would use it as a hole punch and that's it. What are your thoughts/criticisms? All advice and criticism is appreciated, so long as you don't tell me a 10/22 is better.

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ps: The 10/22 is better. (Beat ya to it!)
I have that rifle and scope combination .Absolutely love it for shooting off a bipod for f-tr practice. It will find the f-class size 10 ring when I let it, The rifle is accurate enough that you need to pay for expensive ammo all the damn time

For sling or bench rest you might want to get a more specialized stock setup.

There is virtually no height difference between the dovetail rail and the barrel. Make sure you get high enough rings.

If you can afford twice as much for a 54 it's probably better, duh, obvious recommendation.
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Smoothy8500 is on the right track.


I do have a question about the Weaver T36 scope and if this is truly a 36x scope and if you will be "over-scoped" for the rifle.

870classic.
I'm not sure what this would mean. The t36 is a fixed power true 36x scope so it is over-powered for a weak position like offhand or even my crappy prone.

It has good focus/AO so supported prone or bench I can see 22 holes in white paper at 200 or aim at literally a dot at 25 yards.
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I'm not sure what this would mean. The t36 is a fixed power true 36x scope so it is over-powered for a weak position like offhand or even my crappy prone.

It has good focus/AO so supported prone or bench I can see 22 holes in white paper at 200 or aim at literally a dot at 25 yards.
To clarify my statement:
Yes, if you plan to use the T36 standing (like in metallic silhouette) we found that the scope was generally over powered for the shooter. The 36x would allow the shooter to see the bullet craters in the target, but at the same time, the shooter would also notice his own heartbeat in the scope. (The target image seen through the scope would moved at the same pace as the shooters heart beat.) In addition, because of the high power (36x) we would sometimes loose track of which bank of targets we would be shooting on and would end up knocking down the other competitor's targets. As a result of these two issues a few of use opted for using T24's when we shot metallic silhouette. If you are using the rifle in prone or at the bench, then a 36x scope would not be an issue.

Best regards and I hope this helps clarify my statement.
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Old 11-20-2017, 5:20 AM
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To clarify my statement:
Yes, if you plan to use the T36 standing (like in metallic silhouette) we found that the scope was generally over powered for the shooter. The 36x would allow the shooter to see the bullet craters in the target, but at the same time, the shooter would also notice his own heartbeat in the scope. (The target image seen through the scope would moved at the same pace as the shooters heart beat.) In addition, because of the high power (36x) we would sometimes loose track of which bank of targets we would be shooting on and would end up knocking down the other competitor's targets. As a result of these two issues a few of use opted for using T24's when we shot metallic silhouette. If you are using the rifle in prone or at the bench, then a 36x scope would not be an issue.

Best regards and I hope this helps clarify my statement.
Ok, you and I are definitely on the same page. Depends on exactly what OP plans on doing.

Some people have a '22s call for a 4x scope' mentality that would be just wrong for this rifle used as a target rifle.
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Old 11-20-2017, 10:03 AM
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I have owned three Anschutz rifles. My first one was a Model 54 competition rifle, which I used in smallbore 3P. It was a RH action with a LH stock, I only sold it, so I could buy a true LH action and LH stock in a Model 2013. My other Anschutz is a Model 54 Sporter, which I bought new in 1978 for $300 and it is currently worth about $1500. Not a bad investment. I would not turn down a Model 64 if it was given to me, but I would still want a Model 54.
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Old 11-20-2017, 6:30 PM
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In my post above, I had to get offline and did not have time to comment on a scope.

I use Leupold scope rings on my sporter and Anschutz rings on my competition rifle. On my sporter, I have a Leupold 4.5 X 14 scope, and I selected this scope for the obvious reason of being able to select the most appropriate magnification and it also has an adjustable objective, which is important for precision shooting with a .22. On my competitive rifle, I have a 24 or 25X fixed Leupold scope, and it too has an adjustable objective, which is essential if you want to get the most accuracy. On power selection, a 20 and above power will show the crosshairs moving with your heartbeat. When I shoot smallbore prone competition with my 24 or 25 X scope, in a solid prone position with a heavy jacket, I can watch the crosshairs raise and lower through the X ring at 100 yards as my heart beats.
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Dangitt. I'm going to have to drag mine back out and mess with it until I'm happy with it. You guys have me itching to shoot it again!
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It's hard to go wrong with any Anschutz. They don't make any bad products.
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Shot 300 21x on a 30 shot mini-palma f-class practice this morning

mp64 - t36 - center-x ammo
How much better could a 54 do? ( ok, 9 x's )

Last time I shot was 50 yards. Up 50 clicks and first shot at 100 was a low 10.
I guess I need to remember 52 clicks! t36 tracks that well consistently
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I have a model 64 1517. I love the rifle and would buy another anshutz. I would say I have over 10k rounds through it. It is dinged up and scratched unlike most anshutz owners I use mine for hunting small varmints otherwise it would be a range queen.
I personally use a 2.5x10 scope but I don't like kicking u my heartbeat in the reticle. For your intended use it sounds like a good combo but magnification may be too high.
My Marlin 17 shoots tighter groups but not enough for me to want to carry it for days. I would like to pick up a 54 some day. Either way great rifles.
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I just purchased an Anschutz 1903 Target. It is at the LSG store waiting for me. I am "cooling off".
I am 60 years old. I have wanted one of these for a long time. I don't think I am good enough to know the difference between a 54 and my 64. Besides I would spend another grand or 2 for a 54 anyway.
I agree, Anschutz doesn't make a bad product.
Rimfire central has some targets from these rifles with good ammo. Robin Hood would be jealous.
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The best Rimfire Benchrest gunsmith in the world uses a T36 on all of his personal guns and for testing customers guns.
If you plan on punching those holes from the bench the T36 is good to go.
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I just bought my first Anschutz. The Original test target was in the box. Here it is. 10 shots at 50 meters. Is this normal? If so why would i want a 54?
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I just bought my first Anschutz. The Original test target was in the box. Here it is. 10 shots at 50 meters. Is this normal? If so why would i want a 54?
GET THE 54 Mr. Toast
Yep. That's what my sporter looks like once it's warmed up!

...maybe not THAT good, but dang close!
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I just bought my first Anschutz. The Original test target was in the box. Here it is. 10 shots at 50 meters. Is this normal? If so why would i want a 54?......t
Same reason one would get the 64. Because it's THERE!
You will soon forget the money. Not likely to forget the Anschutz.
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my last f-tr practice
plus a group created from the second 10 shots

exact mp64 and t36 combo the op is considering

smallest ring is .356"
50 yards, a little wind
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I know there are is a very dedicated group of you guys who shoot these guns.

We have a pre-1958 model 54 that is absolutely gorgeous on consnignment now.
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