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No, they should click "report" on the post so that the mods notice it. If discussion has occurred, chances are the thread will be merged. If it's just a one-post, it's usually just locked.
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Excellent point! Since the State of Kalifornia will not allow us to buy a magazine with a capacity of more than 10, they are obviously safe here in California and must all be sold here - rather than in a state where an 11 round magazine might be obtained.
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Don't you just love the hopey-changiness? Hope for the future, future of hope.
Oh, yes we can and will keep guns out of your hands!!!! Elections have consequences people!!!!!! |
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This news has only compelled me to go out and buy another "high-powered" semi-automatic kitten-killing rifle. Not that I needed an excuse. I think I'll buy the rifle, then send a pic of my newly acquired weapon to the state dept with a note explaining that their decision to block these imports inspired me to buy an "even more dangerous" weapon out of protest.
Who's with me?
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For me these Garands are real personel. My father carried one. All three of my children's grandfathers (I have two familes - not at the same time) carried Garands. All three of my boys have shot Garands (I have three - one match grade). Two of the boys along with me have shot Garands in many rifle matches.
My son who's a Marine with the 31st MEU used one in John C Garand and Steel Silhouette rifle matches prior to his joining the Marines. You might say it's the rifle he really learned how to shoot with Sending Garands away is like digging up our war dead in the US and sending them out of the US. These rifles are Hallowed to those who have served. |
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The way I see it is this: some countries like Brazil and S Korea limit their own people to having either single shot shotguns or no guns at all. At the same tome they dont mind selling millions of dollars worth of weapons to civilians in other countries. Its like ya, we want to make money, but we don't want our own people to have guns.
Yea, I know all the fuss here is about cheap Garands and I like that idea, but just saying my opinion. I myself buy guns that are made in countries where the people are allowed to own guns: US, Czech republic, Austria, Russia, Finland and a few others. |
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So calguns member jdberger is a spokesperson for the CMP? Again, everybody keeps repeating some claim that is unsubstantiated. I can't believe so many people here are agreeing with this administration pulling anti-gun tactics - and that is exactly what is going on here and why nobody will give a straight answer. Whether US citizens are willing to buy these back or if they should given back may be a question to be answered, but allowing them to be destroyed instead due to the anti-gun slant of our current administration is the worse possible outcome in my opinion.
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Ignoring the reasons for this (which some refuse to believe as some sort of anti-gun propaganda), the FACT is that BOTH Bush and Obama administrations opposed the sale of these Garands into the US market. (5 years ago, Bush was the Prez).
So unless Bush was anti-gun, there's a valid (non anti-gun) government reason why these guns aren't stateside already. |
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Well, a criminal could always use a m1carbine to make an illegal enforcer pistol. If I was in a free state I'd buy a legal Iver Johnson version. I can actually think of a few instances where m1carbines and even a Garand were used in crime. An interesting piece of info. The worst modern shooting mass murder I believe was done in South Korea with grenades and a m2carbine. |
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Most of what I have seen on this post is people whining that they can't buy one. I didn't think CG'ers were so greedy that they can't understand our governments' position.
Someone please loan me their gun. Preferably a nice AR. I'll sell it back to you at a reasonable price in a year or so... Get the point? There are plenty of Garands already for sale in the US. OMG. Last edited by diginit; 09-04-2010 at 7:44 PM.. |
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Did those guns majically get up on their own and kill people? Hell no. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
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I understand, but someone quoted what you said as proof that the official story from the administration is that we have a dispute on whether they should be allowed to sell the rifles back to a US importer. From my research there is no basis at all for anyone to reach that conclusion. The only reported quotes from the state department are statements that sound like typical anti-gun rhetoric. It seems they are throwing a bone to the Brady bunch, while giving reporters the run-around when they ask for clarification.
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Hasn't Obama done absolutely nothing with regards to gun laws except sign one that EXPANDS them?
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Was George W. Bush a "Clintonista"? He's the one whose administration first denied the sales. Good God, you guys can't let the partisan politics go for even a second, can you? |
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Those damn Clintonistas...
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During the Clinton administration thousands upon thousands of Garands (including rare M1C and M1D sniper rifles), M14s, M1903s, M1917s, BARs, Thompson SMGs, 1911s, etc. were destroyed by a machine called "Captain Crunch" installed at the Anniston Army Depot, what is now the CMP South Store. Quote:
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The fact is, this situation with Korea is not something that can be blamed on Obama (though there are people here who'd blame the damn weather on him if the subject came up). In all likelihood, the guy's never even heard about this subject. It's a policy decision made by someone back when Bush was president (no, I don't think Bush is directly to blame for it, either), and its continued to today because no one in a position of authority has changed it. |
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Vote.
I infer from from this article- from the reasons stated to block the sale:
-The current US administration does not trust the American People. And yet, the American People 'hired' the current administration. Elections have consequences. Don't sit them out. |
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Even if the US didn't block the sales you would not see the price of 220 for a Garand and 140 for a carbine.Some importer like Centry Arms will buy the lot and jack up the prices more so on the cabines since CMP doesn't have anymore.The Koreans are not going to take orders like CMP and sell them by the peice.
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Yes it can. They approved the sale at the end of 2009 and then reversed themselves in March and blocked the sale. The Obama administration, not the prior one. Perhaps Bush was dragging his feet or kicking the can down the road, but the fact is the deal was made with the Obama administration and then they blocked it. Based on the rhetoric coming out of the state department, to pander to the anti-gun crowd and/or the philosophy in their own administration. Obama is not a big fan of our 1st amendment rights, despite what they may or may not be discussing in public these days.
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unless the us wants to pay storage fees |
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I dont care how its done, but I want some of those rifles.
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In regards to evidence that Obama may be anti-gun, to me his nominations of Kagan and Sotomayer to the supreme court are the most "anti-gun" thing he has done so far as president. He realizes that pushing any anti-gun legislation right now would be political suicide so that is why he isn't pushing for new legislation, although both Obama and his AG publicly expressed a desire to reinstate the federal AW ban. There are more than a few anti-gun votes from him as a Illinois state and US senator, along with him expressing a few anti-gun positions that lead me to the conclusion that he is not a big supporter of the 2nd amendment. Anyone that tried to buy guns and ammo in 2009 can attest that there were a whole lot of other people that also think the same about him. Do you really think he is neutral or pro-gun? I guess this discussion has run it's course. Either way, it will be a real shame if those guns end up destroyed in some behind the scenes deal with the administration. I hope the Koreans just store them for a couple more years and then try again with a new administration that is less fearful of it's armed citizens. Last edited by shark92651; 09-10-2010 at 1:58 PM.. |
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I should have enough after my midterms in about a month or so.
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