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Old 09-01-2010, 3:23 PM
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I swear some people just sit around looking for "dupe" threads, and even then keep posting "dupe" after others have.

If its a dupe pass it by, you can see what the content is in the title. Jesus get a grip this is the web.
No, they should click "report" on the post so that the mods notice it. If discussion has occurred, chances are the thread will be merged. If it's just a one-post, it's usually just locked.
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Someone please post a pic of a gang banger rocking an M1 Garrand
Got close...communists rocking M1 Garands.

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Wait a minute... where can I get a high-cap mag for my M1 Garand? I need to call and ask the State Department!

-Jason
Excellent point! Since the State of Kalifornia will not allow us to buy a magazine with a capacity of more than 10, they are obviously safe here in California and must all be sold here - rather than in a state where an 11 round magazine might be obtained.
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What's a couple million bucks when we give away billions to 3rd world dumps for nothing in return and no results? It can't really be about the money.
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Don't you just love the hopey-changiness? Hope for the future, future of hope.


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To recap, this issue has been debated for a while in numerous threads here, and basically the government is blocking the sale because South Korea, for all intents and purposes, cannot prove that these rifles are actually theirs. (AKA that they paid us for it)

Bottom line is we're not going to allow the ROK to sell us our own property. Which to me, is a sensible, if disappointing argument (Hey, I want a Garand too).

As I mentioned above, I find it interesting that this article makes no mention of that fact, when this had been the official line that was trotted out when this issue surfaced a while ago. Seems like it was written in a way to provoke a reaction from a certain group of people.
Do you have a link to the "official line" from the gov't on this subject? I read the link to the thread on the CMP and it basically just said they would not be involved, that it would have to be a private sale to an importer, but nowhere did I see any official word from the US gov't on why they are blocking the sale. It would make for some interesting reading if it were true.

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The rumors, reports, articles about Korea have been circulating for at least five years. A few months ago a Korean newspaper once again reported that they would selling Garands and carbines to a US importer. The CMP is not a firearms importer and we do not have any involvement of any kind in anything that may happen with these Korean rifles and carbines.

The only way any rifle or carbine from any country can find its way to the CMP is if the country returns loaned rifles back to the US Army. When that happens, the CMP "may" possibly receive some of those rifles. According to the recent articles, Korea will not be returning anything to the US Army, but will be "selling" these rifles to an importer. If, in fact, these rifles are sold to an importer, the CMP will not see even one of them. We do not have any additional information on this subject. Thanks for understanding.
Every quote I have read in every article on the subject has some spokesperson for the US gov't claiming "problems" such as accidents, smuggling to terrorists, etc... Nowhere have I seen anyone from the administration explaining this in the way some people in this thread are claiming. Does anybody have a link to anything official that was quoted? It seems anyone that asks about this issue is getting a run around and not a clear answer. Again, if they have a logical explanation other than an anti-gun agenda, why won't they say so? Can they be so stupid as to fuel a story such as this which is just going to get their opponents riled up even more? They have to be aware of the tidal wave that is about to smash into them in November.
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This news has only compelled me to go out and buy another "high-powered" semi-automatic kitten-killing rifle. Not that I needed an excuse. I think I'll buy the rifle, then send a pic of my newly acquired weapon to the state dept with a note explaining that their decision to block these imports inspired me to buy an "even more dangerous" weapon out of protest.

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Might want to read this point of view
http://www.thecmp.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22747
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OR.....(and I'm just spitballin' here)....

The Government is refusing to let the South Koreans sell property that belongs to the US Government...

But apparently you'd need a 3rd grade education to understand that....

How about we go to the link from the CMP forums (above - that's what that blue underlined URL is).



Ya see - the Koreans couldn't sell those rifles anymore than I could just up and sell your car if I borrowed it.
Maybe it's not the governments official line, but it's CMP's official line.
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Old 09-03-2010, 6:53 PM
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Why should the U.S. BUY what is ours anyways? These rifles were on loan. Not sold. They should be returned to their original owner. The US government.
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For me these Garands are real personel. My father carried one. All three of my children's grandfathers (I have two familes - not at the same time) carried Garands. All three of my boys have shot Garands (I have three - one match grade). Two of the boys along with me have shot Garands in many rifle matches.

My son who's a Marine with the 31st MEU used one in John C Garand and Steel Silhouette rifle matches prior to his joining the Marines. You might say it's the rifle he really learned how to shoot with

Sending Garands away is like digging up our war dead in the US and sending them out of the US. These rifles are Hallowed to those who have served.
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The way I see it is this: some countries like Brazil and S Korea limit their own people to having either single shot shotguns or no guns at all. At the same tome they dont mind selling millions of dollars worth of weapons to civilians in other countries. Its like ya, we want to make money, but we don't want our own people to have guns.

Yea, I know all the fuss here is about cheap Garands and I like that idea, but just saying my opinion. I myself buy guns that are made in countries where the people are allowed to own guns: US, Czech republic, Austria, Russia, Finland and a few others.
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Maybe it's not the governments official line, but it's CMP's official line.
So calguns member jdberger is a spokesperson for the CMP? Again, everybody keeps repeating some claim that is unsubstantiated. I can't believe so many people here are agreeing with this administration pulling anti-gun tactics - and that is exactly what is going on here and why nobody will give a straight answer. Whether US citizens are willing to buy these back or if they should given back may be a question to be answered, but allowing them to be destroyed instead due to the anti-gun slant of our current administration is the worse possible outcome in my opinion.
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Ignoring the reasons for this (which some refuse to believe as some sort of anti-gun propaganda), the FACT is that BOTH Bush and Obama administrations opposed the sale of these Garands into the US market. (5 years ago, Bush was the Prez).

So unless Bush was anti-gun, there's a valid (non anti-gun) government reason why these guns aren't stateside already.
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So calguns member jdberger is a spokesperson for the CMP? Again, everybody keeps repeating some claim that is unsubstantiated. I can't believe so many people here are agreeing with this administration pulling anti-gun tactics - and that is exactly what is going on here and why nobody will give a straight answer. Whether US citizens are willing to buy these back or if they should given back may be a question to be answered, but allowing them to be destroyed instead due to the anti-gun slant of our current administration is the worse possible outcome in my opinion.
This has been going on for the last 5 years.The current administration has not been here that long.We all know how the media can spread anti gun properganda and we all know it is B/S.The bottom line is Korea didn't pay for them so why should they profit from them.
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Im sure gangsters love M1 Carbines and M1 Garands. Everyone knows they preferred firearms of criminals
50cent has some rap where he mentions "M1's". Also he has a rap in the gun related song heat where he says "cuz we gonna reload them clips and come right back".

Well, a criminal could always use a m1carbine to make an illegal enforcer pistol. If I was in a free state I'd buy a legal Iver Johnson version.

I can actually think of a few instances where m1carbines and even a Garand were used in crime.

An interesting piece of info. The worst modern shooting mass murder I believe was done in South Korea with grenades and a m2carbine.
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Most of what I have seen on this post is people whining that they can't buy one. I didn't think CG'ers were so greedy that they can't understand our governments' position.
Someone please loan me their gun. Preferably a nice AR. I'll sell it back to you at a reasonable price in a year or so... Get the point? There are plenty of Garands already for sale in the US. OMG.

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The Clintonistas are at it again. Hitlery doesn't want these guns to fall into the hands of honest american citizens.
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From ROK news.
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The U.S. administration has vetoed the Korean government's plan to sell some 100,000 old M1 rifles used during the Korean War back to the United States. It also banned 850,000 M1 rifles already imported from Korea and other countries from being sold to civilians.

In order to save some W300 million (US$1=W1,181) on storing old weaponry a year, the Korean government decided to sell the 86,000 M1 Garands and 22,000 M1 Carbines to the U.S. and repeatedly asked Washington to approve the deal. The expected price was W130 billion in total, with one M1 Garand fetching US$220 and a M1 Carbine US$140. But the U.S. objected to the plan fearing that they could land in the hands of terrorists.

A Korean government official said, "It's difficult to understand why the U.S. opposes the deal now, when we already shipped tens of thousands of these firearms to the U.S. in the early 1990s. We are trying to grasp the real underlying cause of this reversal through diplomatic channels." He added that because these firearms were originally made in the U.S., selling them back needs approval from Washington.
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One of each please for $360
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Did those guns majically get up on their own and kill people? Hell no. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.





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50cent has some rap where he mentions "M1's". Also he has a rap in the gun related song heat where he says "cuz we gonna reload them clips and come right back".

Well, a criminal could always use a m1carbine to make an illegal enforcer pistol. If I was in a free state I'd buy a legal Iver Johnson version.

I can actually think of a few instances where m1carbines and even a Garand were used in crime.

An interesting piece of info. The worst modern shooting mass murder I believe was done in South Korea with grenades and a m2carbine.
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So calguns member jdberger is a spokesperson for the CMP? Again, everybody keeps repeating some claim that is unsubstantiated. I can't believe so many people here are agreeing with this administration pulling anti-gun tactics - and that is exactly what is going on here and why nobody will give a straight answer. Whether US citizens are willing to buy these back or if they should given back may be a question to be answered, but allowing them to be destroyed instead due to the anti-gun slant of our current administration is the worse possible outcome in my opinion.
Not a spokesman I simply took a moment to check to see what the CMP had to say before I started jumping to conclusions.
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Not a spokesman I simply took a moment to check to see what the CMP had to say before I started jumping to conclusions.
I understand, but someone quoted what you said as proof that the official story from the administration is that we have a dispute on whether they should be allowed to sell the rifles back to a US importer. From my research there is no basis at all for anyone to reach that conclusion. The only reported quotes from the state department are statements that sound like typical anti-gun rhetoric. It seems they are throwing a bone to the Brady bunch, while giving reporters the run-around when they ask for clarification.
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Don't you just love the hopey-changiness? Hope for the future, future of hope.


Oh, yes we can and will keep guns out of your hands!!!!

Elections have consequences people!!!!!!
Hasn't Obama done absolutely nothing with regards to gun laws except sign one that EXPANDS them?
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The Clintonistas are at it again. Hitlery doesn't want these guns to fall into the hands of honest american citizens.

Was George W. Bush a "Clintonista"? He's the one whose administration first denied the sales.

Good God, you guys can't let the partisan politics go for even a second, can you?
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From ROK news.

A Korean government official said, "It's difficult to understand why the U.S. opposes the deal now, when we already shipped tens of thousands of these firearms to the U.S. in the early 1990s.
Those damn Clintonistas...
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A Korean government official said, "It's difficult to understand why the U.S. opposes the deal now, when we already shipped tens of thousands of these firearms to the U.S. in the early 1990s...
Those damn Clintonistas...
That Korean official's sentence is incomplete. It should have said "It's difficult to understand why the U.S. opposes the deal now, when we already shipped tens of thousands of these firearms to the U.S. in the early 1990s...so the Clinton administration could destroy them."

During the Clinton administration thousands upon thousands of Garands (including rare M1C and M1D sniper rifles), M14s, M1903s, M1917s, BARs, Thompson SMGs, 1911s, etc. were destroyed by a machine called "Captain Crunch" installed at the Anniston Army Depot, what is now the CMP South Store.

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The Clinton Administration destroyed over a million M14's. Very few are left in inventory. So depleted was the inventory that when we invaded Iraq, and found the M16 inadequate, those few M14's that were in the hands of the police were recalled.

(I heard from a returnee that the M14's in Iraq are being destroyed so they won't re-enter the US)

Very few M1903's, M1917's, which were in US inventory, escaped destruction from "Captain Crunch" in Anniston Army Depot.

Buds who live in Gadsden Alabama reported train loads of fractured stocks, shredded small arms parts, on their way to scrap mills. One bud showed some fragments of small arms that fell out of a box car.

Clinton almost destroyed all of the Garands in US inventory, but Congress stopped it. The remaining US Army held Garands were sold through the CMP.

The current supply of Garands, Carbines, M1903’s are from overseas militaries. The last big supply of Garands and 03’s came back from Greece. The only 03’s to be found on the racks of the CMP are from VFW posts.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost....32&postcount=6
Don't believe Captain Crunch existed? Here's a quote from Orest Michaels, the current Chief Operating Officer of the CMP:

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I was chief of Weapons Division at Anniston Army Depot and I am the individual who purchased and installed Cpt Crunch and probably managed the destruction of more firearms at one time than anyone else in US history.

http://www.thecmp.org/forums/showpos...0&postcount=16
Noted Garand collector Scott Duff acknowledged the efforts of the late collector James E. “Mac” McCollum to halt the destruction:

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All Garand collectors owe Mac a debt of gratitude that extends well beyond his database. In 1993-94 when Captain Crunch was grinding up M1’s, M1C’s, and M1D’s, Mac was so upset by the destruction of this part of our nation’s history that he helped call this to the attention of the right people, and we were able to get it stopped. Shortly after the cessation of destroying M1’s, Mac had an idea. This was back in the day when people could only buy one M1 rifle in their lifetimes. Mac realized that a service grade M1, an M1C, and an M1D all had different National Stock Numbers (NSN), and suggested that each person was technically allowed to purchase one of each NSN rifle. This suggestion was passed along to the Director of Civilian Marksmanship, was accepted, and soon after that the first M1C auction and the M1D monthly lottery began. If it were not for Mac, none of us would own a CMP documented M1C or M1D.

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Blue Sky started importing them in 86 they were seized and then after court proceding they were allowed to be imported and sold in late 87 early 88.This continued intil 94 when Clinton changed the laws.
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Yes, I believe you. The US government also destroyed thousands of Japanese swords after WW2, some of which were irreplacable, centuries-old antiques, which is an even greater crime if you ask me.

The fact is, this situation with Korea is not something that can be blamed on Obama (though there are people here who'd blame the damn weather on him if the subject came up). In all likelihood, the guy's never even heard about this subject. It's a policy decision made by someone back when Bush was president (no, I don't think Bush is directly to blame for it, either), and its continued to today because no one in a position of authority has changed it.
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I infer from from this article- from the reasons stated to block the sale:

-The current US administration does not trust the American People.

And yet, the American People 'hired' the current administration.

Elections have consequences. Don't sit them out.
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Even if the US didn't block the sales you would not see the price of 220 for a Garand and 140 for a carbine.Some importer like Centry Arms will buy the lot and jack up the prices more so on the cabines since CMP doesn't have anymore.The Koreans are not going to take orders like CMP and sell them by the peice.
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The fact is, this situation with Korea is not something that can be blamed on Obama
Yes it can. They approved the sale at the end of 2009 and then reversed themselves in March and blocked the sale. The Obama administration, not the prior one. Perhaps Bush was dragging his feet or kicking the can down the road, but the fact is the deal was made with the Obama administration and then they blocked it. Based on the rhetoric coming out of the state department, to pander to the anti-gun crowd and/or the philosophy in their own administration. Obama is not a big fan of our 1st amendment rights, despite what they may or may not be discussing in public these days.
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Excellent point! Since the State of Kalifornia will not allow us to buy a magazine with a capacity of more than 10, they are obviously safe here in California and must all be sold here - rather than in a state where an 11 round magazine might be obtained.
The garand does not use a detachable MAGAZINE. In fact, the magazine is fixed within a Garand. It is loaded via en bloc CLIP.

Just to clarify.
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Why should the U.S. BUY what is ours anyways? These rifles were on loan. Not sold. They should be returned to their original owner. The US government.
the us government did nothing to retrieve them i say after this long they can be considered abandoned property

unless the us wants to pay storage fees
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Every one who owned a gun and did not belong to the NRA before 1986 is to blame for all of this.Thats when it all started,see what the "duckhunter" mentality got us.
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Yes it can. They approved the sale at the end of 2009 and then reversed themselves in March and blocked the sale. The Obama administration, not the prior one. Perhaps Bush was dragging his feet or kicking the can down the road, but the fact is the deal was made with the Obama administration and then they blocked it. Based on the rhetoric coming out of the state department, to pander to the anti-gun crowd and/or the philosophy in their own administration. Obama is not a big fan of our 1st amendment rights, despite what they may or may not be discussing in public these days.
So because Obama won't allow the Koreans to sell US government property and keep the money, he's anti-2nd amendment (I assume you made a typo there). Well, if that's the most "anti-gun" thing he's done (and it seems tome that it is), then we could do a lot worse. As far as the law goes, he's actually signed an expansion of gun rights into law.
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I dont care how its done, but I want some of those rifles.
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I dont care how its done, but I want some of those rifles.
You can! Just go the the CMP now:

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So because Obama won't allow the Koreans to sell US government property and keep the money, he's anti-2nd amendment (I assume you made a typo there). Well, if that's the most "anti-gun" thing he's done (and it seems tome that it is), then we could do a lot worse. As far as the law goes, he's actually signed an expansion of gun rights into law.
Again, you are repeating the rumor that has no proof. Show me a single quote from a government official, a link to a story, anything that backs up that the admin is blocking the sale due to some dispute about the ownership of the rifles. We have an actual news story with a quote from a state department "spokesperson" that merely expressed anti-gun sentiment on the topic. So far that is the only official word that I have found on the topic. People repeating the rumor about a dispute over the US ownership of the firearms over and over again does not make it true. The administration is giving journalists the run around on the topic when they are asked for details. If I am wrong I will be the first to admit it, but I want to see some proof.

In regards to evidence that Obama may be anti-gun, to me his nominations of Kagan and Sotomayer to the supreme court are the most "anti-gun" thing he has done so far as president. He realizes that pushing any anti-gun legislation right now would be political suicide so that is why he isn't pushing for new legislation, although both Obama and his AG publicly expressed a desire to reinstate the federal AW ban. There are more than a few anti-gun votes from him as a Illinois state and US senator, along with him expressing a few anti-gun positions that lead me to the conclusion that he is not a big supporter of the 2nd amendment. Anyone that tried to buy guns and ammo in 2009 can attest that there were a whole lot of other people that also think the same about him. Do you really think he is neutral or pro-gun?

I guess this discussion has run it's course. Either way, it will be a real shame if those guns end up destroyed in some behind the scenes deal with the administration. I hope the Koreans just store them for a couple more years and then try again with a new administration that is less fearful of it's armed citizens.
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I dont have the money right now .
I should have enough after my midterms in about a month or so.
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