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Best AR-15 for beginners?
I am looking for an AR-15 but I don't know which one I should get. Please help.
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In order to make a better question tell the forum a little about you and even more about how you intend to use the AR-15.
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I'm a fan of midlengths gas system Ar's , I like the longer sight raidius ,but still handy short barrel. Here is one I assembled on a Noveske N4 lower with a delton midlength kit. I sent the barrel out to Adco firearms to have it full length fluted. Last edited by torquefliteterror; 05-13-2012 at 5:43 PM.. |
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just tried a Marlins (don't know if I spell it right) bolt action 17 and I think it's very accurate and it has no recoil.. I think it's easy to look through the scope too.. looking for similar gun in AR.. thanks! oh.. and I'm just shooting targets and tin cans in 50 and 100 yards I don't know how to build one >< is it same as the 15-22? Quote:
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The .223 / 5.56 doesn't have any notable recoil either.
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The 15-22 is lighter and will allow you to shoot targets or cans at 100 yards for much cheaper than a full size .223 ar. 20 rounds of .223 costs 6 bucks on the low end, so 15-16 bucks for 100. You can buy 100 rounds of good .22 ammo for 7-8 bucks for like CCI Mini Mags, or you can go to walmart and buy a value pack that has 500 or so rounds in it for 18 bucks. The value pack .22 will run perfectly fine in the 15-22. |
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never heard of 5.56
are .22 and .223 a lot different?
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I will agree that it has very low recoil, especially with the PWS brake I put on mine, however you cannot deny that a .22 has less recoil, its simple physics.
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5.56 is very similar to .223 and for the purposes of this conversation we can say that they are equal.
This is a .223 on the right and .22 on the left. You can see how much gun powder they can hold. |
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There are several .22 LRs out there that look and feel just like real ARs, and let you shoot for much cheaper than a .223 Remington. However, if you want a real AR it is impossible to go wrong with the S&W Sporters that Leadmaster mentioned. You can find them on sale in the $650 range most of the time. And they come with a lifetime warranty. I am a huge fan of building your own, but I know that isn't for everybody. The S&W gives you a lower price point for an entry rifle, and will stand up to many guns that cost more. And the warranty means that if something goes wrong with it, you have some recourse. Not so with a home build.
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You will be able to handle a .223 no doubt. However I can definitely feel a difference between .22 and .223, and in my opinion a good beginner gun is one that you are going to be able to shoot and practice with a lot, and for me I can afford much more .22 to practice with.
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.22 is a rimfire cartridge while the .223/5.56 is a centerfire so just that in inself is completely different....casing size is another huuuuuuuuuuuge difference
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By the way, in my opinion, there's no AR for beginners. Other than caliber, they all essentially feature the same ergonomics. Pick a rollmark and have at it. At the end of the day, a beginners AR is whatever AR you can afford.
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well most likely you have little/no experience with AR15's and how they function. but we've all been there.
now i can also assume you don't want to spend a whole ton of money (or maybe you do) but the Smith and Wesson m&p15 would be a good start for buying a complete rifle.. it comes with a warranty and is a fair quality firearm for the price. it wont disappoint for the $ or there's the option of assembling your own. ( this is the route i went as to gain knowledge of the firearm and how its put together) it might not be for you if you are not mechanically inclined because it takes a bit of work and skills with your hands. but if you're up to the challenge there is plenty of info on the web on the assembly of an AR15 and youtube videos helped me a ton with my build. good luck on any route you take.
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I won't really have time to learn how to build one cuz I work full time and I am in a band singing and playing keyboard. plus I'm learning guitar with another group. too busy.. but I would like to start learning how to shoot ARs.. @.@
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http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...R+CA+Compliant |
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wow only $425 on that website is this one better for me or that Magpul stock and sight is not necessary? http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...layErrorView_Y
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Also BUD's only has non CA compliant MOE rifles and wouldn't ship one into california for me which is why I had to go with the Cali legal version. You can also modify your rifle later if you wanted to and put on the magpul stock, grip and sights. |
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If possible, I strongly suggest taking a training class at your local range and use the rental guns that they have.
That way, you get to see how you'd like to setup your own gun while familiarizing yourself with the controls. In the end, you'll save money because you won't waste cash on mods/accessories that you'll realize you don't need. You can't go wrong with an AR from a reputable manufacturer like Smith&Wesson or Spikes Tactical. |
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thanks.. I'm looking at the S&W guns..
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thanks. but 25-round magazine is illegal in CA.. where can i find one with 10-round?
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The M&P15 Sport is a great starter AR if you are inclined to go with .223/5.56mm. Recoil is going to be a little more noticeable than a .22 but if you are already shooting a 20g pump shotgun then the .223/5.56mm round's recoil won't be an issue.
The M&P15-22 is a solid choice also. Lesser recoil, similar controls and feel to a "real" AR. They are a fun .22LR gun to plink and target practice with. Another plus for the 15-22 is you can also use it at most indoor ranges if you like. Lots of indoor ranges wont allow .223/5.56mm rifles. If they do you usually have buy their expensive frangible ammo. Another point to consider. |
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I'm still deciding whether I should get the real AR or just the 15-22 Thanks!
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Don't think you can go wrong with an M&P15 (either .22 or .223). I agree that renting one of each at a range would definitely help you make the right decision. The difference between the two can only be fully understood by shooting both. I prefer shooting my AR (5.56/.223), but it's much more affordable to shoot my .22 during a full day in the desert.
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+1 if you don't want to spend too much.
Or the H&K MR556 if you can afford to. I would just get the HK and be done with it.
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and if anybody here is the paradigm of great decisions made by rookies...
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There's no such thing as an AR-15 for beginners Just " price conscious"/ no frills versions, completely decked out ones & everything inbetween.
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#1, forget about brand names.
You want to shop by features. You like a light gun so first look for a 16" mid-length pencil profile (0.625" at the gas block) barrel. If you like scopes or think you might get one in the future, get a railed upper receiver (M4 style). If you like short stocks, probably get a telescoping adjustable stock. There are many choices, I like the Magpul CTR as a nice $/performance compromise. The difference between .22lr and .223 is that .22lr is a 150 yard max cartridge and with the right gun and ammo .223 can be a 1,000 yard cartridge. If you are shooting only paper at 50-100 yards, they are about the same. .223 recoil is not bad, quite light actually but in a rifle .22lr is almost nothing so there is a difference. Anyone weighing more than 60 lbs should be able to handle .223. Some ARs will be sold without a rear sight so make sure it comes with a sight or you buy one to go with it. It is entirely possible to get a decent AR for round $600 if you know how to shop a bit and don't mind doing a little assembly. If you want a bit of quality, now is the time to put in an extra couple hundred in to the parts that will make it accurate and keep it running. |
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