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Old 09-11-2018, 3:21 PM
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So I did a PPT in Milpitas and got my paperwork delayed. Got a call today that they will not release the weapon to me only back to the seller. Question is should I try again at the same place? different place? Tday was day 30
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Old 09-11-2018, 3:25 PM
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I would say if you're going to try it again DO NOT go back to that FFL, my understanding is that on undetermined it's basically up to the FFL, ask about the policy before beginning dros
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Old 09-11-2018, 3:27 PM
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First, call a few local FFL's and ask if they will release on "undetermined."

Then, call the seller and ask if he'd be willing to try another FFL and you've already made the call.

Hopefully neither of you had a long drive for the PPT.

Let us know how it turns out OP.
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Old 09-11-2018, 5:32 PM
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Ok contacted the seller and we are going to try again. Metal dog tactical in San Jose this time. Wish me luck! Iím going to end up paying more than the dam gun is worth
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Ok contacted the seller and we are going to try again. Metal dog tactical in San Jose this time. Wish me luck! Iím going to end up paying more than the dam gun is worth
You don't need luck, just $35!
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Old 09-15-2018, 10:14 AM
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Hey guys, does it help the DOJ if you put your social on the paperwork? I mean if the delay on the paperwork is from someone having a similar name.
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Old 09-15-2018, 10:30 AM
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Hey guys, does it help the DOJ if you put your social on the paperwork? I mean if the delay on the paperwork is from someone having a similar name.
No - the social security number is never entered by the FFL into the DROS. The DOJ never sees it. It just sits there on a piece of paper, waiting to be stolen.
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Old 09-15-2018, 11:39 AM
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Ok thanks
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Old 09-15-2018, 11:48 AM
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Yeah, NEVER put your SSN on the form. Weird "coincidince", the one time I had fraudulent debit card charges was right after I bought a gun from a place where the sales guy who was also a cop BTW, tried to talk me into putting my SSN on the DROS form. That was the only time I had used my debit card to purchase anything.

Its bad enough you have to provide any information including your fingerprints to exercise your civil rights.
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Well, it does say SSN is 'optional' on the 4473.
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Well, it does say SSN is 'optional' on the 4473.
But at least in a free state, where the FFL is the NICS POC, the FFL can submit the SSN and it may help reduce ID problems. CA DOJ presumably could collect and use it if they desired, but reducing ID problems goes against their mission to infringe/obstruct/obfuscate the gun buying process in CA.
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CA DOJ presumably could collect and use it if they desired, but reducing ID problems goes against their mission to infringe/obstruct/obfuscate the gun buying process in CA.
There is absolutely NO point for CA DOJ to make use of the social security number because the CA ID/DL number is used, which is unique, so it would not reduce any ID problems in the least. They already have the social security number when you apply for a CA ID/DL.

Never write down the social security number in CA. Do the FFL a favor and don't write it down.

In a free state, ANY ID can be used, so there is no unique number to identify the person, in which case it might be possible that the social security number might be of use.
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