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Just remember, if you are mixing Modern and C&R guns on a C&R transaction, use a FSC# rather than the C&R FFL+COE exemption, so you can "submit another" and not get nixed on another $25.
I don't quite get that since the CA DOJ said to use the C&R DROS for modern firearms for collectors, so the system doesn't know it isn't a C&R.
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X13 = FFL collector with COE (curio and relic handguns only)
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PC 31700.

(6) A federally licensed collector who is acquiring or being loaned a firearm that is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the department pursuant to Section 26710.

Defiantly not just just C&R 'transactions" exempted.
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PC 31700.

(6) A federally licensed collector who is acquiring or being loaned a firearm that is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the department pursuant to Section 26710.

Defiantly not just just C&R 'transactions" exempted.
Huh? That says it is just for a C&Rs.

The FSC issue is interesting since if they get a C&R and a modern firearm, you have to be careful, but that is also the fault of the CA DOJ for having it submitted incorrectly.
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I don't quite get that since the CA DOJ said to use the C&R DROS for modern firearms for collectors, so the system doesn't know it isn't a C&R.


What Iím getting at is the stystem May not know itís not a C&R but when they inspect, the law doesnít say you can use a C&R exemption for FSC on modern guns.


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What I’m getting at is the stystem May not know it’s not a C&R but when they inspect, the law doesn’t say you can use a C&R exemption for FSC on modern guns.
True, you would need to keep a copy of the FSC for the records. This would only be a problem if there are both types of firearms sold (C&R and modern). Otherwise you would have to do the safety demo on a C&R when the person is actually exempt from that.
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What Iím getting at is the stystem May not know itís not a C&R but when they inspect, the law doesnít say you can use a C&R exemption for FSC on modern guns.


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I just write in the FSC number on the printout and keep a copy of the card.
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Why wouldnít you just put the FSC number in the field rather than writing it in and risk the DOJ saying you did it wrong.
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Why wouldnít you just put the FSC number in the field rather than writing it in and risk the DOJ saying you did it wrong.
You can't change it in-between DROS. If you don't use the exemption then you need the safety demo. It is better to use the exemption and then for the non-C&R have the safety demo paperwork.
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Old 06-16-2018, 6:29 AM
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My point. If the guy buys a Mauser and a glock you put the FSC and do safe handling affidavit. If you put the FSC EXEMPTION then the DOJ can ding you for using an exemption on a modern gun (even if you have the FSC in the packet I bet they will say you wrote it up wrong).

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Cross it out on the DROS and then put the FSC number on the printout. It isn't our fault that they are having us do it that way and they don't let us change it, but we can change the 4 yes/no questions, as if the person might commit a crime in between submitting the DROS.

I don't think it is a big deal as long as you do the right thing. They know there are problems with the system.
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Is there an FFL near Folsom that will adhere to the 1 in 30 exemption of on roster handguns for COE +FFL3 holders?? I’ve asked a couple of dealers about it and they have no clue what I’m talking about.
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Is there an FFL near Folsom that will adhere to the 1 in 30 exemption of on roster handguns for COE +FFL3 holders?? Iíve asked a couple of dealers about it and they have no clue what Iím talking about.
Ask them to read the bulletin. Often it seems one person reads it and the rest don't get the message.
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Is there an FFL near Folsom that will adhere to the 1 in 30 exemption of on roster handguns for COE +FFL3 holders?? I’ve asked a couple of dealers about it and they have no clue what I’m talking about.
There's a lot of info in the FFL forum about the 1in30 exemption. I just copied and printed all the howto stuff that seemed important plus a copy of the bulletin.. that they should have received..., and took it to my FFL1. It was a learning curve but we made it through in fairly short order. One thing that's confusing is by having to use the C&R section in the end it also states that you can deliver the gun right away and not have to wait the 10 days, but it doesn't specifically say that anywhere in writing. So even tho it says it's OK, leave it for the 10 days as the jury is still out on that part??
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Thanks for the replies. Armory Outpost in Rancho Cordova is in the “know” and I will be drosing three pistols together very soon from there.......this is gonna be awesome.
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One thing that's confusing is by having to use the C&R section in the end it also states that you can deliver the gun right away and not have to wait the 10 days, but it doesn't specifically say that anywhere in writing. So even tho it says it's OK, leave it for the 10 days as the jury is still out on that part??
Yes, it is a problem, but there is a waiting period on modern firearms so releasing it early could be a big problem for the FFL. This should be "fixed" with a bulletin, but that unfortunately takes a lot of time to get it approved for release.
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"Hi Dave,

We got an official opinion on the C&R license, with a COE purchasing a modern, or non-C&R firearm this morning, so I wanted to make sure to pass it along to you.

Government Law says C&R licensee are not exempt from the 10 day wait period when purchasing non-C&R firearms. For non-C&R guns, they must wait the full 10 days."
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Not surprising this was clear in the PC. I wonder if this will prompt them to fix the software in the future for clarity in processing the exemption.
Bought a modern, on roster pistol on Wednesday using my 03+COE and DES immediately released it for delivery. Even though my dealer told me I could take the pistol, I told her I'll be back in 10 days. No need to get her in potential hot water because the DOJ can't fix their software.
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Bought a modern, on roster pistol on Wednesday using my 03+COE and DES immediately released it for delivery. Even though my dealer told me I could take the pistol, I told her I'll be back in 10 days. No need to get her in potential hot water because the DOJ can't fix their software.
I wonder if they are even planning on fixing it?? Similar thing happen to me...sorta. I already had a revolver being held for the 30 after buying a couple of out of states, and I had another one on it's way.. Then the timely ruling came down about the exemption for FFL3/COE's. So about 20 days into the 30 my FFL1 did the DROS on the first, and then the second at the same time, saving me a couple of bucks. When the print out came back from the CADOJ, and they were both released. The dealer insisted that I take them both. So not knowing any better I did. Now I leave them for the 10 days just to be on the safe side. But I still wonder if they plan on fixing the glitch, or leaving it up to the buyer and dealer. They certainly have had enough time to correct the problem... If it actually is??
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You think the DOJ will fix the issues with the DES? I doubt it.
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"we don't expect any issues with the DES at this time" - Department of Justice via their webinar. Sounds a lot like "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
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I don't think that they can fix it due to many issues, one is regarding the employee who works on it and not being able to control him, plus it is hard to get changes approved.
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