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Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated Centerfire rifles, carbines and other gas operated rifles. |
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Say it aint so. Winchester made in Japan?
Been looking at getting a hunting rifle. I decided I want a 30/30 Lever Action. I know there are a lot of different opinions regarding Lever Actions as hunters Vs this and that but thats what I want.
I just learned today the Model 94 is now made in Japan. So dissappointed. Guess I will look seriously at the Marlin 336. I currently own an 80s model 94 but it is a commemorative rifle and never fired. I have it listed for sale but with this new info I probably should take it off the market for awhile |
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I'd also be very carful about getting a new marlin rifle. The new ones they are producing are absolute junk ever since remington took over the marlin factory. If you want a marlin go for an older one with a non remington serial #. The older ones are on a completely different level of quality.
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Is the quality really that subpar? Some of Browning's models are now made in Japan too, and the quality is there. 2012 Japan manufacturing standards are just as high as the US', if not higher.
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If you compare my 80s version of the model 94 to what I handled today? Granted I have never fire mine but just the fit and feel. Absolutely sub-par. Part of the reason I want a Lever Action is because of the History. Made In Japan takes away from that.
I am getting a late start with Hunting as I am Middle Aged but I want to start out with a Lever Action and Iron Sites like our Fore Fathers |
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Yes, the rifles are made in Japan by Miroku for Winchester.
I have not seen one of the '94s first hand, but the 1885 model I looked at was a thing of beauty. And priced to match.. If you're thinking "Made in Japan" means junk, you're 20+ years behind the times. |
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I've seen/handled more products with the 'Made in USA' label (Chevy, Craftsman tools, etc.) that were junk than ones with the 'Made in Japan' label. American manufacturing isn't what it used to be.
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the japanese have been making excellent products like cars and electronics for decades. I would say my 1990 Honda Accord wipes the floor on almost any domestic car in quality, reliability, AND economy made from 1980-2005 |
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I'd rather get something made by Miroku instead of Freedom Group affiliated junk.
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FNH Belgium makes Winchester and Browning shotguns.
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I've seen some Winchester shotguns that were made in Turkey.
The Browning Citoris are also made by Miroku.
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I remember shortly after joining the Navy getting my first microeconomics lesson. It was the early 80's and Japan was kicking our asses in the automotive arena. I was ragging on all the "Jap" cars to my fellow sailors (I was born in Detroit and grew up steeped in Motor City Muscle). After I had gone on for 10 minutes or so, one of my shipmates asked me:
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I dont think Winchester 101's were ever produced at the Miroku plant they all came from Kodensa,Nikko, and the newer cheaper ones are from a plant affiliated with Winchester in Portugal and the todays models come from Belgium so they say? I have heard some early came from Belgium as well but cant verify it.. I'm sure maybe some parts or some smithing could have been done in Utah?
Last edited by toby; 12-03-2012 at 4:28 PM.. |
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I own a Mikoru shotgun, purchased new in Japan in 1972 while I was stationed there. It is a quality firearm and locks up as tight today as it did the day I bought it.
To the OP's point, it and many other firearms are not made in america. But that doesn't mean they are crap either.
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I compared the Browning model 65 side by side to an original Winchester model 65. They were both superb craftsmanship. In fact, the Miroku wood to metal fit was better than the original Winchester. Miroku knows how to make some nice firearms.
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If you aren't buying a Winchester based on quality I'd say that concern is misplaced. Not buying a Japanese Winchester based on quality but instead picking up a newly made Marlin is like turning down a date with Halle Berry asserting she's ugly - then going out with Roseanne ... If you're not buying to make a political statement that's a different call. BTW, having handled lots of the new "Remlin" lever action rifles coming out of Ilion, NY I'd suggest buying an older 336. Lousy wood finish, sub-standard bluing, buggered screw heads and overall poor fitting is what I see on these new rifles. I wouldn't buy a new Marlin at half the price. Last edited by dfletcher; 12-02-2012 at 6:48 PM.. |
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But as to firearm production being outsourced, I suppose that yes, it does take something away from the nostalgic value of the rifle. Does that make the quality of the rifle any worse? Of course not. Almost everything nowadays (domestic or imported) see very little by way of hand fitting anymore. Look at the price of a Les Baer or Ed Brown in comparison to a Springfield Armory or Kimber. You're paying for that extra work. If Miroku (or Winchester) were to put that much work into each one of their rifles, you'd be looking at similar pricing for their rifles. Absolutely. FNH make's Winchester's autos, the pumps are made in Turkey, and their O/Us are/were made by Miroku. Their rifles are also made in both Turkey and Japan. I don't know what Winchester actually manufactures anymore. If the OP wants something made by Winchester in the U.S., he's got to be looking at something vintage. |
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I have a Weatherby Vanguard that is made at the Howa plant in Japan, and it will shoot a clover leaf at 100 yards off a rest. Very well made rifle.
I personally have no problem buying Japanese made firearms |
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Actually just shot a 1943 marlin 30/30 lever action yesterday... What a ton of fun... 80 yards and hitting 6" Gong... Shoulder is a little bruised but what a blast.
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http://www.winchesterguns.com/librar...ail.asp?id=116 I also understand that FNH USA makes new Model 70s. |
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If you want a rear Winchester look for one built prior to 1964.
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http://www.browning.com/customerserv...tail.asp?id=90
Brownings made in... JapanI have a Miroku ABolt and a Miroku Winchester; both are nicely made. -- Michael |
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Henry is an american classic that has been around since the days of the old west. As long as you dont mind the loading system being from under the tube rather than a loading gate i would go with that.
You could get a used Marlin marlin from a few years back, the new ones from Remington have gotten mixed reviews. Some swear they are worse, others swear they are the same. |
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When did Marlin manufacture move to Remington?
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