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Old 07-10-2018, 5:15 PM
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I just read through the various threads in multiple CG political forums and found nothing about CRPA endorsing Cox. I also could not find the thread where CRPA endorsed Allen - if it still exists, please provide the link.

While the election is still months off, seems we need to get behind Cox now, volunteering to help, opening our wallets and donating to his campaign, and getting messages to President Trump and the Republican party to get behind him - that means ads and money big time.

This is the first opportunity we've had to actually oppose the Democrats at the governor level with an NRA-rated-A candidate, and the first (I believe) since the one-party-election rule went into effect. We NEED to make it happen. Based on his anti-2A record, Newsom is the WORST possible result. Either we stand up now or we get crushed when Newsom "arrives".

I voted for Cox and Trump. And I donated to Trump's campaign and will donate to Cox's campaign. I will also volunteer to help Cox.

I'm in! Is the CRPA in? Are you in?
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I just read through the various threads in multiple CG political forums and found nothing about CRPA endorsing Cox. I also could not find the thread where CRPA endorsed Allen - if it still exists, please provide the link.

While the election is still months off, seems we need to get behind Cox now, volunteering to help, opening our wallets and donating to his campaign, and getting messages to President Trump and the Republican party to get behind him - that means ads and money big time.

This is the first opportunity we've had to actually oppose the Democrats at the governor level with an NRA-rated-A candidate, and the first (I believe) since the one-party-election rule went into effect. We NEED to make it happen. Based on his anti-2A record, Newsom is the WORST possible result. Either we stand up now or we get crushed when Newsom "arrives".

I voted for Cox and Trump. And I donated to Trump's campaign and will donate to Cox's campaign. I will also volunteer to help Cox.

I'm in! Is the CRPA in? Are you in?
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I just read through the various threads in multiple CG political forums and found nothing about CRPA endorsing Cox. I also could not find the thread where CRPA endorsed Allen - if it still exists, please provide the link.

I'm in! Is the CRPA in? Are you in?
I'm also in, but fork them and the horses they rode in on.

Why?

I've asked CRPA via posts here and direct emails WHY in hell they endorsed Stan Sniff. My last communication to them was in early July, and still no answer.

Any ideas why they picked a candidate who makes getting a CHL a major PITA?
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I just read the sticky for this forum. The last comment to that thread was in very late December.

Since we are well past the point of sending a questionnaire to candidates for governor, and since we only have one candidate to vote for, how is it a problem to get the word out that CRPA is endorsing Cox? That assumes that CRPA is endorsing Cox. So...

Mr. Kestryll - is the CRPA going to endorse Cox or not? If not, why not? Please reply ASAP. Thanks.

BTW, if this is the wrong forum, please move this thread to the correct one and post on this forum where it was moved. Thanks.
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yeah come on, do we need to have dreamboy Gavin to even make it hard for us gun owners
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Mr. Kestryll - is the CRPA going to endorse Cox or not? If not, why not? Please reply ASAP. Thanks.
I can't say for certain one way or the other but my guess is that CRPA won't endorse him mainly because there's nothing to base an endorsement on other than a questionnaire.

Frankly it'd be both reckless and dumb to endorse someone with no evidence of their position other than that they said 'Yeah, I'm pro 2A'.
Cox has no voting record to look at, no history of 2A support and no indication other than positive answers on a questionnaire from a 2A group of being supportive of 2A rights.

His biggest claim right now is 'I'm not Newsom' and while that's a positive we don't know how much of a positive it is.

I do know of one person on Facebook who was banned from Cox's page for asking his position on 2A prior to the Primary.
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I'm also in, but fork them and the horses they rode in on.

Why?

I've asked CRPA via posts here and direct emails WHY in hell they endorsed Stan Sniff. My last communication to them was in early July, and still no answer.

Any ideas why they picked a candidate who makes getting a CHL a major PITA?
I do not deal with endorsements from CRPA, that is handled by a specific committee, so my thoughts are my own and based on observation only.

From what I've seen CRPA endorses Sheriff Sniff in part at least due to Sniff's efforts to oppose State gun restrictions in his capacity as Sheriff in the form of active opposition to bad gun laws and support of pro-2A laws.
I have seen actions in the form of letters of opposition to multiple proposed laws presented to Legislators and legislative committees and in support of CRPA backed legislation.

CCW is important but it is not the 'be all/end all' of our 2A rights and action on other fronts can be even more valuable.

My guess is that in the end the previous 2A support in Sacramento of CRPA efforts from Sniff, the fact that while not as much or as freely as we'd like he is issuing CCWs and that he is a known entity with an established working relationship on 2A rights is why he is being endorsed.

As I said this is strictly my guess not anything 'official' or even from direct knowledge nor is it an implication that Bianco would not do the same or more.
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I can't say for certain one way or the other but my guess is that CRPA won't endorse him mainly because there's nothing to base an endorsement on other than a questionnaire.

Frankly it'd be both reckless and dumb to endorse someone with no evidence of their position other than that they said 'Yeah, I'm pro 2A'.
Cox has no voting record to look at, no history of 2A support and no indication other than positive answers on a questionnaire from a 2A group of being supportive of 2A rights.

His biggest claim right now is 'I'm not Newsom' and while that's a positive we don't know how much of a positive it is.

I do know of one person on Facebook who was banned from Cox's page for asking his position on 2A prior to the Primary.
Considering what Newsom has done and said, and there are only two viable candidates, seems a strange response. Your assessment (as I read it) is that CRPA will stay out of the fight, other than potentially saying, "Don't vote for Newsom." If that is the case, and Cox is not specifically pointed to as the "best available" alternative, CRPA is throwing a big red flag in the air against Cox. Being quite becomes, "seems some reason not to endorse."

Dear CRPA "specific committee": WE have ONE (1) opportunity! If Cox does not win, we are virtually guaranteed to get Newsom (there will be more than just those two on the ballot). Reality check! Endorse and back Cox (ads and press) or be (effectively) complicit in Newsom's win. Taking the "conservative" high ground is another shovel of dirt on our collective 2A-supporters coffin.
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I just stamped the envelope for my second monetary contribution to the Cox campaign - OUR only chance to defeat Newsom. CRPA "specific committee" - please get your act together and get behind Cox - overwhelming endorsement, ads, and monetary contribution (ask CRPA members to help as best they can, knowing full well what would be in store with a Newsom administration). Please!
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Considering what Newsom has done and said, and there are only two viable candidates, seems a strange response. Your assessment (as I read it) is that CRPA will stay out of the fight, other than potentially saying, "Don't vote for Newsom." If that is the case, and Cox is not specifically pointed to as the "best available" alternative, CRPA is throwing a big red flag in the air against Cox. Being quite becomes, "seems some reason not to endorse."

Dear CRPA "specific committee": WE have ONE (1) opportunity! If Cox does not win, we are virtually guaranteed to get Newsom (there will be more than just those two on the ballot). Reality check! Endorse and back Cox (ads and press) or be (effectively) complicit in Newsom's win. Taking the "conservative" high ground is another shovel of dirt on our collective 2A-supporters coffin.
I'm pretty sure that they will in fact be the only two candidates on the ballot. I do not believ that more than two are allowed in our relatively new "top two" system.

Cox doesn't really have much concrete to offer in his favour other than "not Newsom", which is why I refused to vote for him in the primary. On RKBA issues that's pretty much true as well.

Ultimately, Newsom is going to win, whether or not CRPA backs Cox. The only way a Republican will win election to that office is if just the right split occurs among the Democrats in the primaries such as to allow two Republicans to end up in the top two.
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My error, yes only two candidates for the general election (for governor). In my opinion that gives Cox a much better chance because all those folks that voted for the long list of "others" will now have no "other" to vote for. I believe ALL the polls for the primary said it was going to be a two Democrat general - and they are wrong! Cox very definitely CAN win IF those that do not want status quo (or worse), i.e., Newsom, get out and vote.

bs61 - given your negative slant, are you going to vote for Cox or not vote for governor? Please do not skip voting, please DO vote for Cox. Thanks.

To the rest of those reading this thread, YOU have a very good idea what Newsom stands for and YOU have a vote. Please vote for Cox...and, if you can, contribute. After the election, if it comes out very close, it will be too late to help. Thanks.
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I'll hold my nose and vote for him for the symbolism of it, I suppose (I'm not fond of him as a candidate), and even if I left it blank (like I will for Senate and other races where it's between two Leftists), I'll still show up to vote on other races and issues. I always vote or at least cast a ballot (I have yet to have an occasion on which to cast a completely blank ballot).

The Right is a decided minority in this State. Republican party members as well. Just because Democrats voted for someone else in the primaries doesn't mean they won't vote for Newsom in the general. The numbers, ultimately, are not there for Cox to win unless Newsom has a heart attack or something (which is rather improbable, but I suppose not impossible), but it would be a win by default, essentially. Allen would have lost as well, but at least he was actually worth voting for. A vote for Cox for me is more of a vote against Newsom than a vote for Cox.

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calgunns hero Travis Allen has endorsed John Cox. That said there is a 50% chance Cox will not be very good while there is 100% certainty Newsome or other democrat will make cal gunners and shooters there #1 priority for a vendetta.

seems like a no brainer we should enthusiastically endorse,campaine and help finance John Cox as we have NOTHING to lose and lots to gain!

CRPA and calgunns could endorse John Cox just as President Trump has !
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If Gavin can't be trusted with his best friend's wife, how can we trust him with California?

Sadly, despite my vote to the contrary, this election is Newsome's to lose. Anyone got any juicy pics or videos to help make that happen?
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In case you haven't heard, there will be one (1) debate. It will only be on the radio, KQED, Monday, October 8th at 10 AM - business day, business hours. If you don't have an actual radio, you can listen live over the internet at https://www.kqed.org/radio/live - it will be in one of their forum segments. On radios (real radios) at 88.5 FM. I think its just one hour, unclear from the press blurb I found. Hopefully it will be up on YouTube later in the day for folks that can't listen during such a horrible time slot.

Cox has a nice new TV ad out, "Struggle" - very well done. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcJwNuYzyAY

Its time for word-of-mouth and getting the vote out. Please help!
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CRPA 2018 General State Voter Guide is out - Governor is page 5. See https://docs.google.com/viewerng/vie...7-18.pdf&hl=en
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I think Meg Whitman has a better chance of beating Newsome
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Honestly, for this race, no gun association endorsement for Cox is probably a good thing. Gun owners in this state, who lean right, will be voting for Cox, no matter what. It's those in the middle we need to sway, and those that voted for Villarigosa.

The gun endorsement might work against Cox in this state. We as gun owners already, by default, should know how to vote for the governor's race.

The only endorsement required is by Trump, since he has endorsed Cox already, he'll just go all in on it.
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It's those in the middle we need to sway, and those that voted for Villarigosa
Good point...in some polls Cox is only a few points behind so there definitely is a chance. If we can keep the house, senate, AND elect Cox, it might be too much winning for me. Ah who am I kidding, it'll never be too much!
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Honestly, for this race, no gun association endorsement for Cox is probably a good thing. Gun owners in this state, who lean right, will be voting for Cox, no matter what. It's those in the middle we need to sway, and those that voted for Villarigosa.

The gun endorsement might work against Cox in this state. We as gun owners already, by default, should know how to vote for the governor's race.

The only endorsement required is by Trump, since he has endorsed Cox already, he'll just go all in on it.
I was thinking this too. It would be hard to believe any gun owners or Republicans would have a sway vote for Newsom, but there are plenty of Democrats that can't stand Newsom and would vote for Cox on other issues, so maybe best not to make gun rights a hot-button to scare off those where that is a concern.

It's such a difficult think to want to hold back, but this may require a factor of staying silent and concentrating on issues that even Democrats are pissed off about Democrat candidates in this sate: high taxes, fees, over-regulation, waste of funds on trivial pursuits (bullet-trains to nowhere), illegal-alien red-carpet run amok, runaway business to other states, loss of jobs, soft enforcement on crime and things like Prop 47, welfare for all, corruption, and more.

Newsom just looks like a slimy career-politician at first glance, it's quite possible many moderate Dems could reach across the aisle to vote for Cox in also being fed-up with the above. Sometimes losing what's in their wallet carries more impact than losing their rights. Sad, but true.

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Considering what Newsom has done and said, and there are only two viable candidates, seems a strange response. Your assessment (as I read it) is that CRPA will stay out of the fight, other than potentially saying, "Don't vote for Newsom." If that is the case, and Cox is not specifically pointed to as the "best available" alternative, CRPA is throwing a big red flag in the air against Cox. Being quite becomes, "seems some reason not to endorse."

Dear CRPA "specific committee": WE have ONE (1) opportunity! If Cox does not win, we are virtually guaranteed to get Newsom (there will be more than just those two on the ballot). Reality check! Endorse and back Cox (ads and press) or be (effectively) complicit in Newsom's win. Taking the "conservative" high ground is another shovel of dirt on our collective 2A-supporters coffin.
Being the only candidate opposing Newsom does not make him pro gun. In fact IIRR Cox has refused to state his position on 2A, has never held office so there is no voting record to check and up until last year was a Chicago Democrat.

Voting for him because he might beat Newsom is grand and I support that 100%, but that does not make him pro 2A and it seams even the NRA put a qualifier on their endorsement.
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...it seams even the NRA put a qualifier on their endorsement.
seems???

NRA rated Cox "AQ" - "A pro-gun candidate whose rating is based solely on the candidate's responses to the NRA-PVF Candidate Questionnaire and who does not have a voting record on Second Amendment issues."

NRA also ENDORSED Cox - as did President Trump!

Newsome was rated "F" - "True enemy of gun owners' rights. A consistent anti-gun candidate who always opposes gun owners' rights and/or actively leads anti-gun legislative efforts, or sponsors anti-gun legislation."

AND CRPA's Voter Guide rates Cox "A".

Is all the above not enough said?
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I can't believe this is even a question. A steamer sitting on a San Francisco sidewalk deserves your vote more than Newsome.
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seems???

NRA rated Cox "AQ" - "A pro-gun candidate whose rating is based solely on the candidate's responses to the NRA-PVF Candidate Questionnaire and who does not have a voting record on Second Amendment issues."

NRA also ENDORSED Cox - as did President Trump!

Newsome was rated "F" - "True enemy of gun owners' rights. A consistent anti-gun candidate who always opposes gun owners' rights and/or actively leads anti-gun legislative efforts, or sponsors anti-gun legislation."

AND CRPA's Voter Guide rates Cox "A".

Is all the above not enough said?
Obviously you totally miss the point.

I agree voting for the Chicago Progressive beats voting for the California Progressive. Saying your Pro 2A without a track record does not make you Pro 2A. You have absolutely no guarantees with COX.

Pretend all you want. I'm voting for Cox but I have to hold my nose to do so.
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We stand for the Anthem, we kneel for the cross


We already have the only reasonable Gun Control we need, It's called the Second Amendment and it's the government it controls.
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Old 10-15-2018, 7:33 AM
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If your looking for guarantees in this election it's not going to happen. Hold your nose, grab your #ss, whatever it takes and vote for the lesser evil. Cox the unknown is far better than Newsum . You know his intentions.
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Old 11-06-2018, 9:56 AM
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No need to worry gents!

I got a SMS encouraging me to vote for Newsome. I sent back a message asking if he "supports the right to keep and bear (carry) arms"? The response came back, "of course he supports the second amendment. go vote!" Yes that was literally the response I got from an campaign worker there.
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