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SB 249 Rumors and Status Conflicts
I'm sure many if not all of us have seen the rumors going around that SB 249 is 'dead', it's being reported by some 2A and shooting organizations.
At the same time others are saying it is not 'dead' and nothing has changed from this morning, Thursday is still the day the Appropriations Committee will hear the bill. The last I have heard, from the NRA lobbyist and the CRPA lobbyist in Sacramento is that the bill is still alive and still on the schedule. At this time it's safe to say that there is a lot of confusion about this and that it's understandable not to know what to believe. I'm not going to tell you that 'X' is fact and everything else is hogwash, I know who I put my trust in but that is only my opinion and I can not call it 'fact'. What I am going to say is this, dead or alive we can not stop fighting this bill because in politics things like this can be 'resurrected' on a moment's notice. Until we have concrete information we should continue to press the fight forward and not give any slack. If Thursday comes and SB 249 is not on the agenda, great. We can take a deep breath, say we're one step closer to victory and get right back in to the game. For 2012 this is not 'won' until September 1st and until then we should keep our powder dry and stay ready. Take any rumors with a grain of salt, hope for the best but continue as if the worst were happening. With luck tomorrow will lead to more information that can resolve these rumors.
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It is the opinion of well placed NRA officials that this bill is not yet dead:
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I didn;t hear the Fat Lady sing yet !!!
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If it does get pulled from the calendar and doesn't make it back on by Sept 1st, I understand that it's dead for this year (as Kestryll pointed out).
But does that just mean it's postponed indefinitly or is it defeated all together? Can it just pop back up on the calendar in 2013? Sorry for the ignorance on this.
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I'm seeing news from 2 CA groups announcing that the Appropriations Committee has removed it from Thursday's calendar. If that's true it can't be brought up again until next year.
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Give them hell so they don't pull this crap again next year.
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That will never happen, as long as Yee has air in his lungs....sorry hot air in his lungs he will try it again.
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If not him, there's a line of other weasels ready to try to do it to us again. We'll just keep fending them off.
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Not at all impossible. Jan/Feb 2013 could be pretty interesting.
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That's exactly what I was hoping to hear. I assume a drafting a new bill would draw more attention than just ninja'ing the old SB249 onto the calendar.
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Maybe somebody on the Appropriations Comity recognized that if this bill were to become law, and get scrutinized against the Heller Vs D.C. decision, it might be the end of all our assault weapon laws. But I doubt it, to see beyond the scope of his own term the politician’s mentality must contradict it’s definition.
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SB 249 still on the Daily File for Assm Appropriations committee for tomorrow, Thursday, August 16th. http://assembly.ca.gov/dailyfile
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Anyone else notice that Yee and Adam have been quite silent? That disturbs me. Nice rib on the CA jobs page...that had me literally LOL.
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That's important to remember. Yee did not act on his own initiative or alone on this. Senators Darrel Steinberg, Kevin Deleon, Loni Hancock and Assemblymembers Anthony Portantino and Mike Feuer were the bill's coauthors. Of course, those names are behind some other legislation we've already faced.
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My only two questions are: 1) WHY WOULD ANYONE TRUST THEM TO DO SO???? 2) WHAT WILL IT HURT TO CONTINUE THE PRESSURE UNTIL WE ARE SURE IT CAN'T COME BACK???? Paul
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It sounds like they are going to try to get the AG involved in a regulation change. How do we fight that?
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it means the committee does not want to hear or vote on it. It is essentially, dead in committee - it will not proceed from committee. But read what Yee says, he's going to look for regulatory, meaning DOJ avenues to explore this bill. CGN, get ready to save your pennies, I think we will need to start donating to pay for court fees...
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I received an email yesterday
SB 249 MAY BE D.O.A.; STOP SB 249 CAMPAIGN URGES CONTINUED OPPOSITION PRESSURE
Cal-FFL, Calguns Foundation opposition letters cited in official Committee analysis that may be the final straw in breaking SB 249 For Immediate Release: August 14, 2012 Reference: Assembly Appropriations Committee Analysis at http://stopsb249.org/wp-content/uplo...s_analysis.pdf SAN CARLOS, CA, AND MADERA, CA – In spite of bill author Senator Leland Yee’s many assurances to the contrary, even the Assembly Appropriations Committee legislative analysis found that the SB 249 gun ban presents California taxpayers with significant cost impacts. The analysis determined that, among other major costs, SB 249 would impose “[o]ne-time special fund (Dealer Record of Sale Fund- DROS) costs, likely in excess of $200,000 (the AG's office estimates about $400,000), for the AG to conform existing regulations regarding the definition of assault weapon to the definition of detachable magazine proposed by this bill.” Implicit in the Committee’s analysis is that SB 249 is a material legislative change to the Penal Code, which would require new DOJ regulations. Senator Yee and his staff have spent considerable time representing SB 249 to be a “clarification of existing law.” We now have further evidence in the Legislative record supporting our argument that SB 249 would harm California gun owners by creating an entirely new standard for “detachable magazine” firearms. Up-to-the-minute information acquired by Cal-FFL lobbyist Matt Gray of Capital Alliance and Cal-FFL president Brandon Combs suggests that, while SB 249 may not succeed in passing the Appropriations Committee due to the substantial costs issues, it is premature to consider the bill a non-threat to gun rights. “SB 249 has been proven to be an outrageous attack on hundreds of millions of dollars of legal private property and law-abiding gun owners. We’re encouraged that the Appropriation Committee’s analysis has affirmed our view that California simply cannot afford Senator Yee’s misguided bill,” said Combs. “We urge all of our members and supporters to continue vigorously opposing SB 249 by calling the members of the Appropriations Committee and using the Take Action tools at our StopSB249.org campaign website.” The STOP SB 249 Take Action page is located at at http://stopsb249.org/takeaction. --- The Calguns Foundation (www.calgunsfoundation.org) is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization which serves its members by providing Second Amendment-related education, strategic litigation, and the defense of innocent California gun owners from improper or malicious prosecution. The Calguns Foundation seeks to inform government and protect the rights of individuals to acquire, own, and lawfully use firearms in California. California Association of Federal Firearms Licensees (www.calffl.org) is California's premier non-profit industry association of, by, and for firearms manufacturers, dealers, collectors, training professionals, shooting ranges, and others, advancing the interests of its members and the general public through strategic litigation, legislative efforts, and education. For more information or to join Cal-FFL, please visit calffl.org. |
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Status of SB 249
When I called Senator Ted Gaines office this morning, Matt Cox answered the phone and said he would check on the status of SB 249 and get back to me. Below is the response from Megan Allred, Legislative Director for Senator Gaines.
I guess it's not over yet. So, the question now is, do we show up on the north steps of the Capitol tomorrow at 9:00 am, or not? DublTap ------------------------------------------------- Good morning, Despite the rumors, we have not been informed that SB 249 has been pulled from any agenda. Even if the author does not move it right away, we never consider anything officially dead, nor us “out of the woods” until August 31st, which is the absolute last day that bills have to be passed for this legislative session. Even if the author says he will not move it, he still could find the votes and push it through last minute. So I would hold any celebration until August 31st. At that point, if the bills still fails to move, we will be celebrating right there along with you! Megan Doyle Allred Legislative Director Senator Ted Gaines State Capitol, Room 3056 Sacramento, CA 95814 916.651.4001 916.324.2680 fax |
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I wonder if we came close to crashing the email server during this. Maybe the phones faxes emails were starting to get annoying and they stopped. We will know soon enough whether this bill is dead for the session soon enough. And of course the NRA is here this us the front line. And when Yee and his complain about the NRA then you know they did the job.
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I read into this we must continue the hard push with email, snail mail, phone, and fax.
Push on folks, this thing can still come back up, the antis are very sneaky
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I hear Brandon (Wildhawker) called this one as DEAD and as a victory...can we get a confirmation?
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If it doesn't hurt anything to keep fighting, then lets keep fighting.
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Oh, no worries, I can email and call and party at the same time. I'm of the new generation - I multitask.
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Keep the pressure on. I just got more than half dozen friends emailing to the appropriation committee.
Let's not slack off till SB249 won't show up as a zombie to haunt us.
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Thats the spirit!!!!!
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