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Old 06-24-2020, 1:02 PM
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Default LASD to increase 400% on CCW permits

400% of 1 is 4. Still better than nothing
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So there will be four CCW’s issued?
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So there will be four CCW’s issued?
No, He said up to 400%. He could stop at 200% and issue just 2.

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Just saw the video. He is incredibly vague. Doesn’t even explain GC and firmly states it won’t be shall issue. Don’t hold your breath.
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If the fee increase is grossly higher than the actual cost of the service, then I'd expect to see a legal challenge as it could be argued that they are "charging a fee" to allow people to exercise a right. Not saying I'd expect any such challenge to succeed tho.
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So they’ll issue 12 more. Great!
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How about issue it to every law abiding citizen that applies for one?
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It will be to some demorat politicians' spouses.
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By 400% he means 4 new CCW permits.
Those 4 lucky individuals will be his driver, his wife, his personal assistant and Gavin Newsom.
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First you have to find out how many he has issued, to find out how many will be issued. If he hasn't issued any 400% of 0 is still 0.
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Must be ginning up donors to fund the next rerun for the job.
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Flood his office with applications and hold him to his word.

Yeah I know, not holding my breath either. But hey, worth a shot
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This is folly...……… comment no more I will.
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Just trying to collect application fees IMO.
He's not going to issue to average Joes
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He’s opening the door for everyone. Once two people of the same qualifications apply and one gets approved and the other doesn’t. The gate shall widen from the lawsuits.
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No one's going to say it?

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It is for the rich people that contribute to his cause. Working people, not so much.
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You realize how easy it would be to set him (them) up right?

Exact applications with 1 exception.......$$$$ to the correct bank account.

Commence extremely long lawsuit, we all would be pushing daisies before it's settled.
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400% more than 0 is still ZERO.
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If the fee increase is grossly higher than the actual cost of the service, then I'd expect to see a legal challenge as it could be argued that they are "charging a fee" to allow people to exercise a right. Not saying I'd expect any such challenge to succeed tho. would be illegal
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CA PEN 26190. (a) (1) An applicant for a new license or for the renewal of a license shall pay at the time of filing the application a fee determined by the Department of Justice. The fee shall not exceed the application processing costs of the Department of Justice for the direct costs of furnishing the report required by Section 26185. (DOJ Fees)
(2) After the department establishes fees sufficient to reimburse the department for processing costs, fees charged shall increase at a rate not to exceed the legislatively approved annual cost-of-living adjustments for the department’s budget.[...]
(b) (1) The licensing authority of any city, city and county, or county shall charge an additional fee in an amount equal to the reasonable costs for processing the application for a new license, issuing the license, and enforcing the license, including any required notices, excluding fingerprint and training costs, and shall transmit the additional fee, if any, to the city, city and county, or county treasury.
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Closes gun stores as “non-essential”.

Gets hammered and lifts order.

Closes gun stores to discourage, “panic gun-buying.”

Now pledges to increase CCWs.
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Closes gun stores as “non-essential”.

Gets hammered and lifts order.

Closes gun stores to discourage, “panic gun-buying.”

Now pledges to increase CCWs.
That’s how I understood it.

I’m waiting on any reports of bloodshed from those new gun buyers in the home as he claimed.
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The LA County Sheriff's info pdf states an 8 hour training/proficiency course must be passed. Who offers those classes and what? Awards a completion certificate?

Also have another friend that prefers having a lawyer or someone very experienced with CA CCW help him with his --anyone know someone I can refer him too?
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If the fee increase is grossly higher than the actual cost of the service, then I'd expect to see a legal challenge as it could be argued that they are "charging a fee" to allow people to exercise a right. Not saying I'd expect any such challenge to succeed tho.
As noted above that would conflict with the statutory language that establishes the permits in the first place.

That said, before making your argument we would first need a court to agree, and have it not overturned en banc, that there is even a right to be exercised. There is currently no recognized right to bear arms in California.
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Sounds like a few uber rich people who are worried about the uprising want to be armed. Made a donation, and the Sherriff put is spin on it...
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That is pretty funny! haha the math on that is comical. Times 400% is still 4.
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This is pretty telling. The policy was revised in April 2019, and still appears to be a draft lacking the crucial elements for it to work:
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Regardless of the category, all new license applicants for CCW’s must now pass a specified course of training which is acceptable to the licensing authority, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department (See attached sheet, “Suggested Training Vendors”).{Note: there is no attachment} New CCW license applicants must pass a specified course of training acceptable to the licensing authority. The course shall be no less than eight hours, and shall include instruction on firearm safety, firearm handling, shooting technique, and the laws regarding the permissible use of a firearm. The course shall also include live-fire shooting exercises on a firing range and shall include a demonstration by the applicant of safe handling of, and shooting proficiency with, each firearm that the applicant is applying to be licensed to carry. Shooting proficiency shall be demonstrated in accordance with LASD standards. (See [REFER TO WHERE STANDARDS ARE POSTED AND/OR TO ATTACHMENT TO THIS POLICY IF PROFICIENCY STANDARDS ARE ATTACHED]). For CCW license renewal applicants, the course of training may be any course acceptable to the licensing authority, shall be no less than four hours, and shall include instruction on firearms safety, the law regarding the permissible use of a firearm and weapon proficiency.
Fourteen months and still not complete.
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Default LA County Sheriff to increase CCW by 400%?

I'm sure this has been discussed but I haven't been on the forums for a while. I've read these articles recently:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...as-much-as-400

Does this change the chances of normal law abiding citizens getting a CCW? Also what are the ramifications if I applied and got denied, does that mean I would be denied in the future in another state?

I had a CCW when I lived in VA which is shall issue and it was as easy as filling out the application and paying the application fee. Like a lot of people it seems like I'm going to be working remotely indefinitely so I will eventually considering leaving CA if I can keep my job in another state but with the current state of the world it would be nice to be able to legally carry and to have my wife be able to legally carry.
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Will not happen. PERIOD!
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Will not happen. PERIOD!
Thanks for the optimism!

But am I screwed for the rest of my life if I apply and get denied?

It's a wonderful world where my elderly father can walk around Florida with a loaded snub nose revolver in his pocket all day and us Californians can't protect ourselves against the Antifa radicals roaming our neighborhoods.
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Thanks for the optimism!

But am I screwed for the rest of my life if I apply and get denied?

It's a wonderful world where my elderly father can walk around Florida with a loaded snub nose revolver in his pocket all day and us Californians can't protect ourselves against the Antifa radicals roaming our neighborhoods.
If you want a CCW you have two choices....

1. Move out of the toilet that is California to a shall issue state like Florida where your father lives.

2. Move to a CCW friendly county in California. FYI, every county that borders L.A. County freely issues CCW permits to law abiding citizens, however, you will not get one in L.A. County!
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But am I screwed for the rest of my life if I apply and get denied?
If you get denied for insufficient Good Cause that won't affect you in the future. Your future agency will just compare your future GC to their future GC standard. They won't care about your past IA's GC standard or your past GC.

Now, if you get denied for lying during your application or lack of GMC, that's something else.

Re. you odds of issuance see post #31 at: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1482924

Better have at least "Light Red" GC to have a chance IMO.
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Thanks for the optimism!

But am I screwed for the rest of my life if I apply and get denied?

It's a wonderful world where my elderly father can walk around Florida with a loaded snub nose revolver in his pocket all day and us Californians can't protect ourselves against the Antifa radicals roaming our neighborhoods.

- I'm a Californian
- I walk around all day with a snubby in my pocket. So does my wife.
- of course I don't live in LA or SF ... I live in CALIFORNIA
- In California unless you live in LA or SF you will get your CCW
- move out of LA/SF.. simple as that
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If you want a CCW you have two choices....

every county that borders L.A. County freely issues CCW permits to law abiding citizens,


^ THIS

- leave LA
- come to California!


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Thanks for the discussion. I've been thinking of moving to Ventura if I have to be close enough to go into work occasionally. So I did some research on getting one there and while it sounds possible it's still ridiculous. Take a class, do an interview and wait about a year. In VA I just dropped off the application and fee and had it in under a month with no class or interview. I already know CA laws are ridiculous so I'm just venting. The CA approved list is ridiculous, the high capacity mag bans are ridiculous and then when I thought they couldn't get more ridiculous they make you do background checks for ammo
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Thanks for the discussion. I've been thinking of moving to Ventura if I have to be close enough to go into work occasionally. So I did some research on getting one there and while it sounds possible it's still ridiculous. Take a class, do an interview and wait about a year. In VA I just dropped off the application and fee and had it in under a month with no class or interview. I already know CA laws are ridiculous so I'm just venting. The CA approved list is ridiculous, the high capacity mag bans are ridiculous and then when I thought they couldn't get more ridiculous they make you do background checks for ammo
Yep, that’s CA for you.

Still beats not having a CCW. It’s backed up more than usual due to COVID and the riots.
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