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Old 06-10-2017, 6:39 PM
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I know this may probably not mean much, but I have a friend whose family have known David Myers for some years (both of his parents were LEO and he's about to enter police academy himself). David Myers is a Democrat on most social issues, but when it comes to guns he's pro-2nd amendment according to my friend. I take my friend's word for it. Granted, Myers could cave in to outside pressure but at this point it seems like a chance.
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Cave in to other democrats? Count on it to get his re-election funding.

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Again, I have not endorsed him and SDCGO did not endorse him. The board will discuss it in January.

However, I disagree. We are not voting for a party or a man. We are voting for principles. And there is one issue and one principle that clearly separates Myers from Gore.
Continue to vet him, but this party affiliation talk is BS. You guys have been paying attention the last 20 years? Whatever you've been doing when it comes to supporting party's over principles isn't working. SDCGO is proudly nonpartisan. Continue supporting just one party no matter what their elected do (or fail to do) and villainizing the other no matter what and expect to continue to get the same results.

I don't use Second Amendment rights to get Republicans elected. I vote for rights no matter where they come from.

I'm done posting on this. Back to activism.
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This infighting amongst gun owners in California is exactly why we are losing. We need show both parties that we are a force to be reckoned with. If a minority made up over 36 million people, you can be sure both parties would be clamoring to cater to them. That is why this blue vs red crap needs to stop. That is why i support SDCGO. They have our best interests at heart, not the best interests of the party.
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IIRC, the Sheriff is a non-partisan office in San Bernardino County.
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This infighting amongst gun owners in California is exactly why we are losing. We need show both parties that we are a force to be reckoned with. If a minority made up over 36 million people, you can be sure both parties would be clamoring to cater to them. That is why this blue vs red crap needs to stop. That is why i support SDCGO. They have our best interests at heart, not the best interests of the party.
Exactly right. Yet a large percentage of gun owners don't bother to vote and many who do vote are stuck in the dogma of party politics and vote for anti 2A candidates. Become a litmus test voter, anti 2A candidates give no support. Stop settling for the lesser of two evils. For now forget statewide offices. Organize and target district by district.
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Party affiliation is more important here than in other states only because this is a one party state and that section of that party is super left/socialist.

If this was WV it would be different. It's not, it's California, the official and sanctified super socialist democrat party state and the only state with an official one party rule for elections. Therefore, any democrat candidate is beholden to the state democrat party for support and financing. They control the purse strings and therefore the candidate. That is why no democrat California candidate cannot be trusted ever, no matter what they say.

I say this as a registered independent as I believe the Republican party is equally corrupt.
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Party affiliation is more important here than in other states only because this is a one party state and that section of that party is super left/socialist.

If this was WV it would be different. It's not, it's California, the official and sanctified super socialist democrat party state and the only state with an official one party rule for elections. Therefore, any democrat candidate is beholden to the state democrat party for support and financing. They control the purse strings and therefore the candidate. That is why no democrat California candidate cannot be trusted ever, no matter what they say.

I say this as a registered independent as I believe the Republican party is equally corrupt.
Bingo! Exactly the point that needs to be understood.
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This isn't at all how financing works for a county sheriff's race.
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"Promises made during elections, especially by demoncraps, are generally worthless.."

Well that's the problem, isn't it. On one hand we have Gore who will never issue and got the AG's office, Kamala herself, involved to back him. On the other we have a guy who is not afraid to publicly say he will issue.

Both candidates are going against their party's platforms.
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I know some of you were holding your breath for the Supreme Court to fix this issue. I was too. Now that they have rejected the case, what do you feel like your options are?
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Same as always. Non-complience is the only option left with our neutered 2nd amendment. We have the benefit of an overcrowded prison system from a Federally forced mass release of criminals. The risk is lower here for incarceration than in other states with empty prison beds to fill.

Fines will be the punishment for breaking a CA gun law unless charges are stacked in a criminal case.
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Same as always. Non-complience is the only option left with our neutered 2nd amendment. We have the benefit of an overcrowded prison system from a Federally forced mass release of criminals. The risk is lower here for incarceration than in other states with empty prison beds to fill.

Fines will be the punishment for breaking a CA gun law unless charges are stacked in a criminal case.
They don't need to incarcerate.
A conviction with a term of probation being "Do not possess any firearm" is all they need.

Gun free school zone 626.9PC is NOT a prohibiting misdemeanor.
Theseus is prohibited from possessing a firearm in California for about another 6 or 7 years. His attorneys advised that the restriction was ONLY valid in California, but he opted to leave the country.
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We need to stop thinking the GOP gives a rats *** about gun owners. Its just like the myth that Democrats care about minorities.

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Agreed. Neither political party are looking out for you. The best we can do as voters is to starve them, no money, quit, register independent and send both of those corrupt disfunctional political parties a clear message: You do not work for us and we do not work for you. Our votes must be earned.

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Thats why IMO this race is so important to get Gore out. Trust me, I am very lukewarm about Myers as a candidate. This vote for me is a reminder to the GOP to stop taking gun owners for granted. It also serves as a roadmap for Democrats that if they want to start winning elections, they also need to stop marginalizing gun owners.
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Applying a bit of game theory:

Gore 100% not going to issue CCWs

Myers, lets do a conservative estimate of 95% chance of him turning on us and becoming the same as Gore. That still leaves a 5% chance of us coming out ahead.

So when you balance 0% chance of getting our outcome vs. 5% chance, which do you choose? Even if Myers ends up not issuing CCW, what do you lose? how would it be worse than Gore? How can Myers make the county less safe? Its not like he is going to make his deputies stop patrolling because he is a democrat, he will still do his job. So I do not see a down side.

Also everyone can write 3 letters. One to Myers stating that we are voting for him for CCW and if he goes back on his word, no more votes.
2nd letter goes to Gore and tells him why we didn't vote for him. 3rd letter goes to GOP and tells them why we switched sides.
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A little birdie told me that Gore wants to now sit down with gun owners regarding CCW issuance policies. What a dirtbag. Now that there is a legitimate contender, he wants to change his tune? IMO it is a 100% certainty he goes back on his word the second he gets voted in.
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I listened to the radio interview and it is amazing how people without knowing much about David Myers will vote for him just because he "CLAIMS" to support issuing CCW's the way people desire.

HE IS A DEMOCRAT! He is trying to win an election. He can say he wants to allow more CCW's now, but later make it very difficult by reducing the people working on the permits and many other ways if he chooses.

He has not been vetted. IT is amazing how the Radio Show hosts and Mr. Schwartz basically endorsed him after speaking with him for a few minutes on the radio.

Don't be Sheeple! What do most of the other Democrat politicians feel about this issue. You don't think they will have influence on him?

I don't like Sheriff' Gore's policy on CCW's but I trust this guy less. Gore lost the case and gave up on it and the State of California pushed it further. Gore's attorney's did not even show up ath En Banc hearing.

My guess is he would have complied with issuing CCW's on a Shall Issue basis as decided by the 3 judge panel had not a DEMOCRAT Attorney General not taken it to En Banc.

I think it is better to get some SCOTUS decisions in our favor rather than trusting a Democrat.

I thought the SDCGO was going to "groom" a candidate. Is this him?

Maybe we should get the NRA involved with vetting him.

Don be won over so easily.

Lol, so vote Gore because of party lines? No way José. Gore can decide this afternoon to start using ccw's if he wanted to. He's anti 2A.

I, and many, many others would vote for (and throw fundraisers for) a sheriff that issues over one that doesn't. Simple as that.
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A little birdie told me that Gore wants to now sit down with gun owners regarding CCW issuance policies. What a dirtbag. Now that there is a legitimate contender, he wants to change his tune? IMO it is a 100% certainty he goes back on his word the second he gets voted in.
Well, maybe he needs to finance his new deputy-mounted body cam program and looking at all those ccw fees to do it (?).

What little birdie told you this???

I'd still be inclined to vote for an alternative like Myers.
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I would never vote for Gore. The conversation would probably go like this: "As soon as I get re-elected I will have the freedom to issue CCWs" haha. Meanwhile other departments have changed their policy and are currently issuing, he has remained firm on not issuing.
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A little birdie told me that Gore wants to now sit down with gun owners regarding CCW issuance policies. What a dirtbag. Now that there is a legitimate contender, he wants to change his tune? IMO it is a 100% certainty he goes back on his word the second he gets voted in.
If this is true what a pile of nonsense. Gore does not need to meet with ANYBODY. In the next 5 minutes, he can pick up his phone and direct his staff to immediately begin approving every pending application, and every future application, that states "self defense" as the reason, is complete, and not disqualified for other reasons. Anything else is just disingenuous smoke and mirrors.
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The problem with Meyers is he is a democrat in a socialist state. No matter his personnal views, he must carry the California democrat party platform in his campaign.

Funding by the state democrat party is dependent on him toting the party line. That line does not include CCW's. They will change him right after election, count on it.

Then we are stuck with a young democrat sheriff for how many decades? Gore will retire after this next term. Then again, he will groom his successor, retire a year or two early and get that pre-selected candidate 'approved' by the local media claiming "he will keep us safe".

CCW's are such a non-issue here I doubt it will be taken up during the campaign. I will probably leave the selection blank as a protest vote = "none of the above are acceptable" catagory.

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That is such bull**** Jimi Jah. So you are saying the California GOP party line is to support gun control and not issue CCW's? Because that is what Gore is doing, as a REPUBLICAN. It is funny the other Republican Sheriffs all over the state are issuing CCW's. So which is it? Who is towing the party line? Myers has run on a platform of transparency. He is now on public record as stating he will issue CCW's. That can be used against him if he does not approve.

Gore was supposed to retire after this term. Obviously he loves the gravy train. So you cant say anything about when he will retire.

At the end of the day, Democrats will vote Democrat, Republicans will vote Republican. Gun owners are a swing vote where many I have seen are more Libertarian but vote Republican because it more closely aligns with their ideals. I think Gore is getting scared that he has a legit challenger that just got huge publicity during last weekends Pride parade. The anti-Trump sentiment will only help Myers.

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The problem with Meyers is he is a democrat in a socialist state. No matter his personnal views, he must carry the California democrat party platform in his campaign.

Funding by the state democrat party is dependent on him toting the party line. That line does not include CCW's. They will change him right after election, count on it.

Then we are stuck with a young democrat sheriff for how many decades? Gore will retire after this next term. Then again, he will groom his successor, retire a year or two early and get that pre-selected candidate 'approved' by the local media claiming "he will keep us safe".

CCW's are such a non-issue here I doubt it will be taken up during the campaign. I will probably leave the selection blank as a protest vote = "none of the above are acceptable" catagory.

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here is to hoping Myers win and keeps his CCW promise so my buddy can get his CCW
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I hope you guys get a pro-CCW sheriff, even if it is a demo. Gore has got to go.
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Gore has always run as a Republican. Whats even worse is he ran unopposed last election, and the San Diego GOP still endorsed him. What kind of backdoor deal happened there?

The real FU deserves to be aimed at the SD GOP for selling out gun owners and taking us for granted. Im almost ready to turn San Diego blue in the next election to prove a point. I guarantee you the election after that, SD GOP would only endorse gun friendly candidates.
In the 2010 election, did the NRA endorse Gore? Did they even ask for his position on SD = GC for CCWs?

Last election (2014, IIRC), did the NRA endorse Gore when he was fighting against Peruta?

Did the NRA-ILA?

Did your local NRA Members' Council of San Diego? http://nramemberscouncils.com/direct...l-of-san-diego

Whoever liberalizes CCWs from the SDSO had better realize they'll probably have 15,000 applications submitted during the first 4 years. If they do not also have a plan for dealing with such a deluge, the process will get so backed up, very few people will get issued. Make the candidates tell/promise how they plan to deal with the deluge. Only by getting large numbers of people issued ASAP will ensure San Diego can never go back to restrictive issuance.
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I hope you guys get a pro-CCW sheriff, even if it is a demo. Gore has got to go.
I've been saying for years that California will not go back to gun friendly until democrats run and win on a pro 2A platform. At this point, supporting an anti 2A republican candidate over a pro 2A democrat candidate in a race for sherrif is the absolute pinnacle of stupidity.

And for those complaining Meyers might not be pro-2A, how exactly has voting for Gore worked out? He had to be FORCED to issue by a lawsuit. If thats 2A freindly, then so are Chicago and DC. Wh3n h3bran unopposed I STILL didn't vote for him.
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That is such bull**** Jimi Jah. So you are saying the California GOP party line is to support gun control and not issue CCW's?
Read again, I never said that. That is the democrat party line, as stated. CA cities are gun phobic. That's the way it is and will remain here. California republicans are more liberal than a West Virginia democrat.

That will also not change here. Demographics assure this will be a gun ban state as long as mass immigration and mass exodus of traditional Californians continues.
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I live in a county that does issue so I can't vote in SD. If I did I would stop looking at the STATE as a whole and vote for what benefits me now. My logic is change comes from the bottom up not the other way around. If a Democrat will do the job so be it. If he has to fight with his party that's good to. Maybe some other local races will get more pro 2nd candidates if they see it as a winning position. If he folds you have lost nothing. Next election maybe you will get a R that isn't a lying RINO. I couldn't care less what party they belong to. I care if they will put into place laws that will agree with what I believe. Lower taxes, less regulation, term limits, deportation of illegals and no infringement on the 2nd amendment. Saying R or D are both worthless doesn't go far enough, so are the P&F, L, G, I and the rest of them. Vote for what benefits you. End of rant thanks
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If he flips he is showing you he has no principles or backbone. At least with Meyers you have a publicly stated policy of what he says he will do. If he flips kick his #ss out too. Keep kicking till you get what you want.
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If he flips he is showing you he has no principles or backbone. At least with Meyers you have a publicly stated policy of what he says he will do. If he flips kick his #ss out too. Keep kicking till you get what you want.
Gore being willing to cave (even to a cause I believe in, as in this case) when presented with a challenge, shows what a worthless, spineless, pile of steaming dung he actually is. Anybody who thinks he'll follow through unless forced to (as he was possibly willing to do after the initial Peruta ruling, but still drug his feet when pushed) is delusional. He's as statist big brother as they come. Voting for him because of arbitrary political affiliation (ala Michael Bloomberg, who also claimed to be an R) is ludicrously self-defeating.
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Thumbs up Myers puts Personal protection = GC on his website!

I was just over at Dave's "Issues" webpage and it now has a CCW listing. Here is the key quote: "As Sheriff, I will honor personal protection as good cause sufficient to issue a CCW."

I encourage everyone in SD Co to support Myers now (donate $$$ and volunteer time), to make him a viable challenger to Gore. Maybe then Gore will also come out (pun intended) for SD = GC. Then, if either of them win, you'll win!

Even those not in SD Co should consider supporting (donating) to Myers since liberating SD Co is liberating, IIRC, 3.3M CAians -- 1/10th of the state!

If nothing else, everyone should sign his pro-CCW petition at:
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Here is the CCW entry in its entirety:

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Sheriff Gore has avoided his statutory responsibility to set consistent and clearly understood regulations regarding concealed carry weapon (CCW) permits. The standard to obtain a CCW for personal protection is arbitrary and unclear.

Proposed Action:

• As Sheriff, I will enforce the law. I will not push for greater restrictions, nor exceptions in laws related to firearms.
• As Sheriff, I will set consistent and clearly understood regulations the regarding CCW permit qualifications and processes.
• As Sheriff, I will issue CCW permits provided that:
• The applicant passes all necessary background checks.
• The applicant passes a safety curriculum approved by the Sheriff’s Department.
• The applicant demonstrates good cause.
• As Sheriff, I will honor personal protection as good cause sufficient to issue a CCW.

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From: https://www.davemyersforsheriff.com/issues/

For those who keep bringing up Repub vs Dem, that Gore ran as a Repub or Myers is running as a Dem: sheriffs are non-partisan offices and non-partisan races. Why? Because sheriffs do not make laws, they just enforce them. Sure, Myers got endorsed by some Dem group and he personally may be a Dem, but he isn't running as a Dem. candidate.
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For any of you in SD Co who are thinking about re-electing Sheriff Gore: go through the correspondence at this link and see the mental gymnastics he uses to make it seem like the courts won't let him accept SD = GC and that only the state legislature could allow that. No court decision or state law forbids Gore from accepting SD as sufficient GC right now, or requires him to require more than SD as sufficient GC. The Peruta en banc panel decision only means Gore does not have to accept SD = GC. Sheriff Gore chooses to interpret the law as requiring him to require of applicants more than 'self-defense" as sufficient Good Cause.

http://sandiegocountygunowners.com/ccw/

It appears at this point you guys will NEVER get a CCW using SD as GC as long as RINO Gore is sheriff. You now have to ask yourself: How much is being able to protect my life (and my family) worth? What other issues that a sheriff decides are more important than that???

FWIW Gore's re-election website is still nothing but a placeholder page: http://goreforsheriff.org/ The election is only 10 months away (next June, with runoff, if any, in 2018 Nov). Gore probably thinks he's a shoe-in. That means he's unlikely to change his restrictive CCW policy....
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I just signed the petition, signed up as a volunteer, and made a small contribution to his campaign.

Found it interesting that the contribution confirmation page had this statement:

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I'm still iffy about him.. Someone in our local gun store FB group asked him a few questions about CCW, then asked about his ideologies and to list his campaign donors. He would just totally ignore the question and try to stonewall them.
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I'm still iffy about him.. Someone in our local gun store FB group asked him a few questions about CCW, then asked about his ideologies and to list his campaign donors. He would just totally ignore the question and try to stonewall them.
Yeah, of course: Myer's a liberal Democrat.

But what do his "ideologies" matter since he isn't a legislator and isn't running for a political office?

Sounds like getting a CA CCW isn't your #1 priority in deciding who you'll vote for sheriff....
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Yeah, of course: Myer's a liberal Democrat.

But what do his "ideologies" matter since he isn't a legislator and isn't running for a political office?

Sounds like getting a CA CCW isn't your #1 priority in deciding who you'll vote for sheriff....
I'm inclined to agree. I live within the San Diego city limits, and thinking about the Gore's influence on life in the city, I can't think of anything other than this CCW issue where the sheriff has a direct influence. Given that I'd be inclined to vote Myers.

If I missed something please enlighten me.......
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Yeah, of course: Myer's a liberal Democrat.

But what do his "ideologies" matter since he isn't a legislator and isn't running for a political office?

Sounds like getting a CA CCW isn't your #1 priority in deciding who you'll vote for sheriff....
CCW is my #1 priority but I also don't want to vote someone in who is going to turn their back on us as well. Just because he vows or makes a public statement saying he will issue CCW's for citizens who use SD as the reasoning doesn't mean he will change it once he's elected. For all we know he could've just been saying that to get our votes so he can kick Gore out of office. I'm not fan of Gore either. You think there hasn't been sleeze balls who haven't done this? He may not be an legislator but he is still an elected official who also is given the authority on how to set his CCW issuance policies and I'm just supposed to take his word? There's no validity that would make me feel comfortable to vote for him at the moment. Last thing we need is another reign similar to Gore.

And don't assume I won't cross party lines. I will if it gets me a CCW. I already accepted the fact we are a one party state. Political affiliations do matter to a certain extent even for a Sheriff. Maybe he has the same stance about the 2A that is similar to our nightmare Gavin Newsom and just doesn't want to show it. We're still a 50/50 county and he will want to get as many votes as he can get so he can solidify his position.

Again, my point is here, just because you make a public statement or vow to support the 2A doesn't mean anything unless you have a track record of it. I want to see some solid proof and vetting on this guy that shows hes a 2A supporter.

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