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Old 07-30-2009, 11:06 AM
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I am curious, I have been reading where funds are being made available from the federal gov, to LEA, what are the costs to the public in political issues, or financial dependency over long periods which will effect your agency and in the way it operates.

Or, is all this money simply given without any strings attached, or pressure applied to top leadership, including city leadership?
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I can't answer the question, tho I'm sure the active members will chime in. My guess is there aren't any strings; they are probably indestructible titanium cables.
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Old 07-30-2009, 6:41 PM
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I am curious, I have been reading where funds are being made available from the federal gov, to LEA, what are the costs to the public in political issues, or financial dependency over long periods which will effect your agency and in the way it operates.

Or, is all this money simply given without any strings attached, or pressure applied to top leadership, including city leadership?
I don't know but it sure makes me want to read Sheriff Mack's book.

sheriffmack.com

I know that less than 5% of the money went to Sheriff's departments, a big concern of mine.Without knowing more, I think there is some political favors thus far.

I do know one of the stipulations was 50% of the money had to go to rural departments, but other wise a few big departments missed out and they needed it now(long run I feel its best they didn't get it)
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It's basically used to fun specialized units which assist federal agencies. It is also used for homeland security equipment and training. I get WMD training every year on federal money. They give me a really nice classroom supplies and color printouts that collect dust in my closet. Whatever company is supplying hi liters, binders, cds, and pens must be making a killing.
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The Sacramento Bee published some good info on the federal stimulus grants to LEA. I've posted some of the major points:

* The U.S. Department of Justice Office of Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) administered the grants and received applications worth $8.3 billion from 7,000 agencies. Of the
$1 billion handed out, half had to go to jurisdictions with fewer than 150,000 people

* More than 6,000 cities nationwide were passed over for funding, including New York, Phoenix, Seattle, Houston and Pittsburgh

* Of the 4,699 policing jobs being paid for, only 270 went to sheriff's departments. Of the 1,046 police agencies receiving funds, only 60 were sheriff's departments

* In California, sheriff's departments in San Joaquin, Siskiyou, Stanislaus, Tulare and Riverside counties got the grants

* Funding was handed out on a formula based on the finances and crime rates of the jurisdictions that applied

* Another round of federal aid for police probably won't be rolled out until the federal government's 2010 fiscal year, which begins Oct. 1
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What I am interested in knowing is, are there political expectations, compromises, or loss of/altering of, policy decisions from accepting any of these federal monies.

Does any federal entity now have financial and political clout in the decision making process, by making these funds available. In addition, will departments/agencies become so dependent upon these funds, that a compromise in operations or decisions becomes a problem?

Or, is this simply, monies are made available with no strings attached?
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What I am interested in knowing is, are there political expectations, compromises, or loss of/altering of, policy decisions from accepting any of these federal monies.

Does any federal entity now have financial and political clout in the decision making process, by making these funds available. In addition, will departments/agencies become so dependent upon these funds, that a compromise in operations or decisions becomes a problem?

Or, is this simply, monies are made available with no strings attached?
Of course there is money attached. Why do you think only 270 are deputy sheriff posistions? Obama wants a civialian security force, and he recently taked about the FEDs being more involved in police practices.
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If what you say is true, LEO's better start talking amongst themselves as to what implications this is going to have on them, their LEA policies, what types of LEO's they will be looking to hire, the types they will be looking to let go, and a whole host of issues.

Why is it I am not hearing much about this from the rank and file? This has the potential for serious political consequences and changes. Creating LEA's which become dependent on federal monies, is a dangerous political road.

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Of course there is money attached. Why do you think only 270 are deputy sheriff posistions? Obama wants a civialian security force, and he recently taked about the FEDs being more involved in police practices.
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If what you say is true, LEO's better start talking amongst themselves as to what implications this is going to have on them, their LEA policies, what types of LEO's they will be looking to hire, the types they will be looking to let go, and a whole host of issues.

Why is it I am not hearing much about this from the rank and file? This has the potential for serious political consequences and changes. Creating LEA's which become dependent on federal monies, is a dangerous political road.
I am not saying that I am right or wrong but there is no such thing as a free lunch.
This is a scary time for LE!! Unfortunately, there is SO much going on right now it is hard to focus on everything, and people see money, no matter where it comes from, as being good.
I am not sure of the strings attached, but I am sure there are some.
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I am not saying that I am right or wrong but there is no such thing as a free lunch.
This is a scary time for LE!! Unfortunately, there is SO much going on right now it is hard to focus on everything, and people see money, no matter where it comes from, as being good.
I am not sure of the strings attached, but I am sure there are some.
If you don't know, then why bother posting your fears? Esp. in the LEO forum. You are simply showing yourself to be a paranoiac, which unfortunately seems to be the one common denominator among male Calgunners.

Honestly the LEO forum should not be a place for foolish conjecture by either LEOs or non-LEOs.
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By no means am I trying to spread FUD, but I am really concerned about things in LE as well as everything else.

I got into Law Enforcement to protect people and their rights, not take them.
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By no means am I trying to spread FUD, but I am really concerned about things in LE as well as everything else.

I got into Law Enforcement to protect people and their rights, not take them.
Well then, I'd say that you got in for all the right reasons.
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