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Old 05-20-2014, 4:06 PM
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Default BAT not on CA's approved DOJ list...what next?

So I went to go DROS my BAT model M action to find out that BAT is not on CA's list of approved firearms manufactures, so their name is not even in the system.

I called BAT and it seemed that they were not willing to help, but I could be wrong. My FFL is going to help follow up on this to get them on the approved list.

Anyone have any ideas of how to "help" BAT get on the approved list? I find it hard to believe I am the first person to run into this issue.
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There is no approved list of rifle manufacturers. There is only a list of banned rifles.
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Tell them to put "USA" in the manufacturer area in DROS. This is more like the FFL not knowing what they are doing.

There's no approved list of manufacture for rifles in CA.
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Please let CGF know via Hotline website if a (legally configured, not banned by name) rifle sale is blocked simply because of a DROS system entry limitation.

Yes, USA should be enterable in mfg field (and perhaps notations elsewhere).

There is no approval required for long gun sales [other than being fundamentally legal vis a vis configured features/make/model etc.]. A data entry technical issue cannot block sale of said rifle.

If it does, time to litigate.
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There is no approved list of rifle manufacturers. There is only a list of banned rifles.
So when my FFL searches for BAT in the DROS system, they still dont see that manufacture in the system...so what would they choose? my FFL seems to think that each firearms mfg was suppose to fill something out in order for their firearms to be legal to sell in CA...again, could be wrong.

all part of the plan to make owning firearms that much harder i guess?

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Tell them to put "USA" in the manufacturer area in DROS. This is more like the FFL not knowing what they are doing.

There's no approved list of manufacture for rifles in CA.
understand...but my FFL is stating that "USA" is technically not the manufacture.


They are going to call DOJ in the AM, to see if they can straighten it out. weird though...my heart sank and killed my mood today

so close, yet so far.....
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As noted above, the FFL will use the made in USA trick. When he is done printing your DROS he needs to go to the report a issue section on his DROS main screen. Submit the issue report saying "insert manufacturer" is not listed on the long gun drop down menu.
Most of us FFL'S have had to do this numerous times for different manufacturers. I don't think DOJ had ANY idea how many long gun manufacturer there are.
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As noted above, the FFL will use the made in USA trick. When he is done printing your DROS he needs to go to the report a issue section on his DROS main screen. Submit the issue report saying "insert manufacturer" is not listed on the long gun drop down menu.
Most of us FFL'S have had to do this numerous times for different manufacturers. I don't think DOJ had ANY idea how many long gun manufacturer there are.
i think this might be the first time for them so im not surprised if they are being cautious
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You'll get things straightened out eventually.

Now for the real questions: action configuration, stock and caliber selection? BAT doesn't play around since they use 17-4 for their stainless actions.
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The new system has been a learning experience for both DOJ And FFL'S alike. Hope you get your baby home soon.
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You'll get things straightened out eventually.

Now for the real questions: action configuration, stock and caliber selection? BAT doesn't play around since they use 17-4 for their stainless actions.
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Barska
of course not....NcStar baby!

In defense of Barska, I have their 20-60x spotting scope for range use and it works very well for me.

Im hoping to "find" the cash for the 2014 model NF Competition, but might settle for the 2013 model. We'll see.

I really like the Vortex Razor GenII in MOA, but the reticle is not fine enough for 1000 yard precision work IMO, but might be more versatile if I ever decide to use the setup for a more tactical application if F-open stops becoming appealing to me (although, I cant see this happening, at least not yet )
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There is no USA selection in the new DROS system. I have checked as ATI isn't on there either. There is though an America selection though which is what I would use for manufacture.
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Issue resolved. I am heading over to my FFL after work to DROS it.

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Good for you. BAT actions are sweet.
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USO if you can afford one. NF if you can't. Leupold if you need to make weight.
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Tell them to put "USA" in the manufacturer area in DROS. This is more like the FFL not knowing what they are doing.

There's no approved list of manufacture for rifles in CA.
and the approved pistol list is only for new unit sales.
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and the approved pistol list is only for new unit sales.
nope, it applies to used sales as well, with some exceptions. I can't buy a used S&W59 from my local dealer because it is off-roster. doesn't matter if it is new or used, the roster still applies to dealer sales.
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USO if you can afford one. NF if you can't. Leupold if you need to make weight.
wouldn't a f-open benefit from a little more magnification and finer reticle or adjustments?


FYI to everyone, I was able to DROS the action. My FFL took care of it for me. They mentioned they have to use "U S" as the mfg.
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Cool.....

I was wondering what the issue was... with the new BAT bolt action assault rifle banned by name quandry.... LOL!

Show us pics when you get it together. (and targets)
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wouldn't a f-open benefit from a little more magnification and finer reticle or adjustments?
USO should be able to help on both accounts. If you want more magnification or finer adjustments get a BR model NF. Or, better yet, this one: http://nightforceoptics.com/competition-2014/

Now for a little real world experience and observations. While I have never even been to a F class match, I do know what works for FCSA shooters shooting at 1000 yards. I just have a run of the mill 5.5-22 NXS on my AR50L and I've shot .6 moa groups with it with the stock barrel and chamber. To be fair, I haven't shot a match with it in several years. I've gotten a little better and I bet I could have shot a .5 or even a .4moa group with the gun and the standard 5.5-22 NXS. I have shot .5 and .4 moa groups with my ALS upper wearing an 8-32 NXS. I know a top shooter (now retired from the sport) who runs a 12-42 BR scope and a few others who run up to 15-55 power scopes. While I prefer to have the option of more magnification, I don't always use all of it. Besides, CLARITY of the glass is much more important than magnification. Many competitors shoot .6 moa groups or better with 22x or less optics. The nice thing about having a high magnification is that it can help you see the mirage better!
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wouldn't a f-open benefit from a little more magnification and finer reticle or adjustments?
In my experience F/O all about resolution. And I've never heard anyone on the line say they wished they had less magnification.

While the NF Comp goes 55X many have found it's smaller objective (52mm) to create eye-relief issues.
Leave the low variable (5/25x) scopes to the tactical guys who may need to range targets at unknown distances.
For F-class one doesn't need a a FFP either. (leave your mil-dot master at home, too)

Reticle choices vary with some wanting sub-moa horizontal subtensions to aid in hold-offs. Like many, I use a 12/42X56 BR with NP-2DD reticle which is uncluttered with the usual hashes.

As the optical arms-race continues the March 8-80X56 is the new King. I've been behind them at 1K and they are awesome.
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