|
Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
||||
|
||||
Sac County 2-year Renewal appointment info
Went for my 2-year Renewal appointment for Sac County this morning - A few things I wanted to update people about...
First, I was specifically instructed to read the new additional "restriction" on the new Licenses (which was also talked about in the Renewal Class): "During any law enforcement contact, you are required to disclose your status as a CCW permit holder and you must disclose whether or not you are carrying a weapon on your person or in your vehicle." Second, they are now requiring two Proofs of Residence - Utility bills, etc. but NOT any DMV paperwork. Nothing on their website or the email appointment confirmation about this. I was given Amber Wong's business card with her email address (which I already had anyway) and they said to send the Proofs of Residence in PDF format to Amber's email. I used a current SMUD and PG&E bill. Third, (this was a pleasant surprise!) I asked if they wanted my current License, and they said "No. Just keep your current one until you receive your new License, and then shred your old one after the expiration date." Wow! Cool! OK! So I can still carry while waiting for my new License! Anyway, just wanted to let people know about how the 2-year Renewal appointment went...
__________________
To do is to be. (Socrates) To be is to do. (Plato) Do be do be do. (Sinatra) |
#3
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
I thought this was illegal??? |
#5
|
||||
|
||||
So the disclosure,, is it Sac county only or state wide? Must you declare the permit even if not carrying at the timer?
.
__________________
ΜΟΛΩΝ-ΛΑΒΕ - Go Greek. Lifetime member Kappa Kappa Bang (KKB) Fraternity |
#6
|
||||
|
||||
No they do not send you anything telling you that your CCW is up for renewal. You must check this on your own. You can only get in their to renew 6 weeks before it expires as well. Book your appt now.
|
#7
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Not Valid if consuming alcohol or remaining at any establishment that primarily serves alcohol. If contacted by law enforcement and carrying a concealed weapon , you must advise the officer of the presence of a firearm either on your person or otherwise present. This to me means if you are not carrying you have no obligation to give them your ccw. |
#8
|
||||
|
||||
My renewal was done last week, very easy and painless. You will receive a reminder email that your appointment is approaching.
On their website where you download the renewal forms it does say to bring in 2 forms of proof of residency and gives you examples of what you can bring. I laughed because isnt your current CCW proof of residency, it works for DROS. I took in deed to house and also homeowners insurance. Had new permit in 2 days. The one question I have and was not answered was can I downsize my permit? The first one I had I did but I have never had to show it. If I take and exact color copy of it, downsize and then laminate it is this legal? Maybe not since you cant do this with a drivers license. |
#9
|
||||
|
||||
I did my renewel yesterday. Dude didn't say anything about the notification to Law Enforcement about being a CCW license holder. If I'm not carrying, why do I need to disclose?
__________________
Former political prisoner who escaped on 9-24-23. |
#10
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
Former political prisoner who escaped on 9-24-23. |
#11
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
To do is to be. (Socrates) To be is to do. (Plato) Do be do be do. (Sinatra) |
#12
|
||||
|
||||
I don't know if it depends on the County you're in, or if at ALL times since it's on YOUR permit. So I will default to notifying the officer just so there's no surprises...
__________________
To do is to be. (Socrates) To be is to do. (Plato) Do be do be do. (Sinatra) |
#13
|
||||
|
||||
Is it in/not in the Penal Code? I don't know... But it's now part of Sac County rules...
__________________
To do is to be. (Socrates) To be is to do. (Plato) Do be do be do. (Sinatra) |
#14
|
||||
|
||||
The specific requirement for disclosure isn't in PC, but the requirement that conditions and restrictions on the license be printed on the license exists in PC. Sac Sheriff has decided that the disclosure should be a condition of licensure. Regardless of which part of the state you may be in, if you have a Sac-issued license, you have to disclose when contacted by LEOs.
|
#15
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
As a CHP buddy of mine said, "The bad guys don't tell us about the guns they have on them, don't be the bad guy." .
__________________
ΜΟΛΩΝ-ΛΑΒΕ - Go Greek. Lifetime member Kappa Kappa Bang (KKB) Fraternity |
#16
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
If you are not carrying you do not need to inform them that you are a ccw holder. It says if you are carrying on your person and have contact to inform them. |
#17
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
The exact wording is: "During any law enforcement contact, you are required to disclose your status as a CCW permit holder and you must disclose whether or not you are carrying a weapon on your person or in your vehicle." It says "or in your vehicle." So it's not just on your person. Also, according to the exact wording, it sounds like "you are required to disclose your status as a CCW permit holder" "AND"... "you must disclose whether or not you are carrying a weapon on your person or in your vehicle." Sounds like two different things required... Disclosing your CCW status (whether or not you're carrying) AND whether you are, in fact, now carrying on you or in your car... That's the way it's written - That's the way I'm taking it...
__________________
To do is to be. (Socrates) To be is to do. (Plato) Do be do be do. (Sinatra) |
#18
|
||||
|
||||
^^^This^^
Quote:
Quote:
This is important because that citation also says if you fail to meet these and other restrictions, your permit will be revoked. It also seems appropriate to disclose regardless of whether you are armed. When they run your DL, it's going to show your CCW, and then a suspicious and pissed off cop has to ask you if you are armed. Domino, can you please clarify the source for your statement? Thanks. JR Last edited by Dvrjon; 02-15-2013 at 8:37 AM.. |
#19
|
||||
|
||||
Regarding downsizing and laminating--
I did this with my first one. When I went in to change my address the deputy looked at it and said "you're not supposed to modify it" but wasn't upset, didn't threaten taking it away, and actually said he wished they would make them DL sized like most other states. I now keep mine in a different larger space in my wallet. Inconvenient yes, but until they change the size I won't give them a reason to revoke it. |
#20
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
You wouldn't want to carry a downsized copy of your Drivers License either and think that'll work...
__________________
To do is to be. (Socrates) To be is to do. (Plato) Do be do be do. (Sinatra) |
#21
|
||||
|
||||
***UPDATE***
My 2-year Renewal appointment was Tuesday morning the 12th (with the retired Sheriff). It was a County Holiday so my Renewal wasn't even processed by County employees until Wednesday the 13th, but they finished it and sent it out THAT DAY! It arrived at my house yesterday the 14th - Wow- that was fast!
__________________
To do is to be. (Socrates) To be is to do. (Plato) Do be do be do. (Sinatra) |
#22
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
Former political prisoner who escaped on 9-24-23. |
#24
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
Former political prisoner who escaped on 9-24-23. |
#25
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Looks like we only have to advise if we are carrying on our person or "otherwise present"...
__________________
To do is to be. (Socrates) To be is to do. (Plato) Do be do be do. (Sinatra) |
#26
|
||||
|
||||
FYI- on the laminating of your permit.
CA law states that it may be laminated. My issuing authority says not to, because some idiots will fold it- then laminate it, so you can't see the restrictions. However, I have laminated my unfolded permit in the past, and it pissed them off when I had it renewed. I told them it is a perfectly legal according to law. They accepted that, and said it's mainly because they don't like to issue a new permit if you have to add or delete a weapon.
__________________
Don't ask how many guns I own, I lost count. |
#28
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Right now, the Renewal Appointments look to be fairly open, but I would book it online in late April or May to make sure you get one scheduled for June...
__________________
To do is to be. (Socrates) To be is to do. (Plato) Do be do be do. (Sinatra) |
#29
|
||||
|
||||
Hopefully you guys can fill me in on this. The website says nothing about NOT accepting any DMV paperwork as proof of residency, and I live with my parents, and the only documentation is my license and registration. I have no utility bills, nothing like that. What can I do?
|
#30
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
To do is to be. (Socrates) To be is to do. (Plato) Do be do be do. (Sinatra) |
#31
|
||||
|
||||
Attention CCW Modification:
If you are going in to MODIFY your CCW (i.e. address change, name correction, adding/removing firearms) you will need to fill out one of these forms. Unfortunately this form is NOT located on the Sac Sheriff website and the only place to get it is in person when you're waiting to be seen at the time of your appointment. I snagged an extra and uploaded it here for anyone that wants to fill it out in advance.
__________________
Don't let the name fool you... |
#32
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
Can anyone clarify this? |
#33
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
License: "Not Valid if consuming alcohol or remaining at any establishment that primarily serves alcohol." Applebee's: "Their primary purpose is to serve food..."
__________________
To do is to be. (Socrates) To be is to do. (Plato) Do be do be do. (Sinatra) Last edited by quiet-wyatt; 04-08-2013 at 5:20 PM.. |
#34
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
I just show my work salary paystub and comcast bill. I give them a photo copy of it and they accept it as my proof of residency.
__________________
01010100 01101000 01100001 01101110 01101011 00100000 01011001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01000011 01100001 01101100 01100111 01110101 01101110 01110011 00101110 01101110 01100101 01110100 |
#35
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
It looks like my sister's wedding is a GTG for carry, although it'll have a full bar. |
#36
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
I do have my car registration and my paystubs, but I cant remember if that has my address on there.. |
#38
|
|||
|
|||
My CCW class last month did not tell us that we had to inform an officer if stopped. Their training materials said the law did not require this. This was something I was not sure about and was going to err on the side of caution and show my permit if stopped, as my LEO friends said most officers would appreciate knowing.
Thank you for the info. |
#39
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#40
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Second, Its true that it is not in the Penal Code that being said however it is a stipulation of exercising the Sac Co issued permit. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|