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View Poll Results: Which material is acceptable for the "80%" KTO Sig P22x(choose ALL that apply) | |||
6061-T6 Aluminum @ $250 | 11 | 64.71% | |
Steel @ $300 | 10 | 58.82% | |
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll |
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GROUP BUY CLOSED - KTO 80% SIG P226/228/229 FRAMES
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UPDATE: SEND PAYMENTS NOW Send payment via cashier's check or MO to: Mad River Arms 2508 Rose Hill Lane Riverbank, CA 95367 BE SURE TO INCLUDE YOUR CGN USERNAME AND EMAIL ADDRESS Cost, including shipping by # frames: 1 $317 2 $629 3 $934 4 $1240 . . . 11 $3390 If you are purchasing jigs - see below. Rick has agreed to ship jigs direct to the end user. This is because the jig is rather large and heavy and although 2 can fit in a USPS Large Flat Rate box, every time he has tried this the box comes apart in transit. A flat rate box is $16 + insurance. If the jigs ship to MRA first and then to end users, shipping will add ~$40 to the cost. The base price of the jig is $250. So, KTO will ship direct and can fit up to 2 frames into the box. According to my records, nobody is buying just a jig and no frames, or more than one jig. So here is the pricing for those of you ordering jigs, shipped direct to you, including insurance and the $5 "appreciation" fee: Jig + 1 frame: $580 Jig + 2 frames: $883 If you are buying a jig and > 2 frames, the fee schedule for the remaining frames is the same as before, minus the "appreciation" fee already paid in the jig + frames cost listed above. MRA will handle shipping these frames to the end user. Jig + 3 frames: $312 + $883 = $1195 Jig + 4 frames: $624 + $883 = $1507 Jig + 5 frames: $929 + $883 = $1812 Jig + 6 frames: $1235 + $883 = $2118 Hope this makes sense to everyone. BE SURE TO INCLUDE YOUR CGN NAME, SHIPPING ADDRESS, PHONE/EMAIL CONTACT INFO, AND HOW MANY FRAMES/JIGS YOU ARE ORDERING WITH YOUR PAYMENT. Woohoo! Let's build Sigs! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the official group buy thread for the KT Ordnance Sig P226/228/229 80% frame, originally introduced and discussed in this thread. The previous thread was intended to gauge interest and discuss options while KTO was still in the process of getting BATFE approval for their 80% design. The BATFE has declared the design a non-firearm, so as long as we can come up with a minimum order of 100 frames, the group buy is a GO. Here are the specifics: Cost per frame will be $300 + shipping (see below). The frame will be steel (interest levels will not support both materials, interest in steel was higher, so that's what we'll be ordering. I know that's not what the poll says, but it's wrong.) It will be originally machined in 2 parts which will be dip-brazed together. There will be a picatinny accessory rail on the dust cover. The operations to be finished by the builder are: 1) Slide railsWe must order at least 100 units. Shipping will probably add ~ $7-15 to the total cost per order, depending on how many frames you buy ($7 for 1, $11 for 2-5, and $15 for 6-8 units). There will be an additional fee of up to $5 per participant that will go towards buying a frame for the GB organizer; this is the ONLY compensation that the organizer will receive. No participant will profit from the GB in any other way. (This is how we ran the last KTO GB). The GB will be managed by myself and MadRiverArms. We co-managed the first KTO 1911 group buy about a year ago. Here is the current list CONFIRMED (frames-jigs): AndrewH 11-1 PAID Movin&Shakin 6-1 PAID Anonymous 6-1 PAID Plum1 4- PAID d.schulz 4- PAID Saintless 4-1 PAID goober 3-1 PAID MotoriousRacing 3-1 PAID jqpham 3-1 PAID jackandjill 3-1 PAID jonnyboy 3- PAID Alajuela 3- waho 2-1 PAID trance 2-1 PAID vma03 2-1 PAID jc619 2-1 PAID Rudolph 2-1 PAID bigcalidave 2-1 PAID Mrbfox 2- PAID ke6guj 2- PAID coma13 2- PAID oogiemonsta 2- PAID Dazzlebert 2- PAID MrN 2- PAID mcnm 2-1 PAID nmstew 2-1 redvetteguy 2-1 nick 2-1 PAID docflash 2- PAID TheEnthusiast 2- Coto 2- Rational1 2-1 PAID rocketmench 1-1 PAID jungleshot01 1-1 PAID bakemono 1-1 PAID StuckInMaryland 1-1 PAID bignish 1- PAID jsuros 1-0 PAID Jovifly 1- PAID a1c 1- PAID RalphAdopolis 1- PAID Prankster 50 1- PAID kg6hum 1- PAID gsv 1- PAID Dark 1- PAID C4Charlie 1- PAID welansons 1-1 PAID kojac 1-1 Dark Sky Solutions 1-1 sdaviddiaz1 1-1 Hannabal 1-0 PAID bmacpolo 1- Dakine_surf 1- d-r 1- PAID Cali-V 1- Freedomfighter247 1- hated 1- E81 1- drew222 1- PAID jaguargene 1- janvier 1- av8erprince 1- meowd0r 1- 82Landy 1- cpl_dan 1- 1957vespa 1- zterminator 1-1 PAID PAID so far: 104 frames 24 jigs Please see the original thread before posting questions here; I'd like to keep this thread dedicated to the GB logistics themselves as possible.
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wish i had the cash but dont at this tine, so not in on this GB but wanted to say thanks for doing it in the right order , meaning letting them get the BATFE approval before accepting $$ good job goober and happy building
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I hate to tell you that I am out, but I need to be out.
-1, sorry. (A self imposed "No new projects" ban)
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keep in mind that although this product is a KTO original, he has not offered it for many years and is going to have to write & test code, make fixtures, etc.; he is completely re-tooling for this run. if it goes well he will start selling them regularly again. if I had to guess, we are probably looking at 2-3 months from when payment is made. it may take us another couple weeks to a month to get the minimum order. so to be realistic lets just say end of year. may be sooner, but i don't want folks to expect that. we will of course nail down a deadline when payment is made. list has been updated w/ additions/changes since my last post.
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By way of full disclosure, I'd like to point out that Bruce Gray of Grayguns, Inc. has posted some concerns about the strength and durability of a home-built pistol based on this product.
I'd like to keep the discussion of such matters in that thread; please do not post questions or comments here.
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Totals updated. Looks like between 58-70 so far. Let's keep em comin'!
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Richard says it will take about 3 months from receipt of payment to delivery.
3-4 weeks for programming and building fixtures. A month to make them, and a month for heat treating (which needs to include shipping to heat treaters and back, so with one week each way that means actually 2 weeks for the actual treating). Not sure how long it will take us to get to 100 firmly committed units, but add a couple weeks for payment collection and it looks like we are indeed talking about EOY for delivery.
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If you're looking for parts, check out the caliber conversion kits on Gunbroker. Also, there're parts kits there occasionally. And this guy usually sells a lower parts kit, he only lists one at a time, but he's been doing this since last year, so he has to have quite a few of them:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=303546626 Ebay often has parts cheaper than Gunbroker. And if you're missing something and can't find it anywhere else, check out Top Gun Supply and Numrich. They have the parts diagrams too, so you can determine, if you're missing anything. So, the caliber conversion kit gives you the upper, and finding the lower parts isn't a big deal. Now, if you want a true stamped P228 slide, it'll take you some time to find, especially the breech block for it. However, there's nothing wrong with a forged stainless slide, there's a reason SIG moved to it (they were moving into calibers other than 9mm, and the stamped slide just wasn't strong enough).
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Well, shoot...
Due to the worries that some folks have over the strength & durability of 6061-T6 in this design, KTO has again offered the option of steel, at a $50 cost increase. As I posted in the other thread, he had this to say: Quote:
And yes, back in the day he did sell that many of these frames. So we're back to the Steel vs Aluminum quandary. The rub is that we must all agree, we can not mix n' match, unless we want at least 100 of each material. So its 6061 for $250, or steel for $300. Much as I hate to bring in this option at this late date (it makes organizing a GB like this MUCH more difficult), I'm adding a poll to this thread. ETA: Unfortunately, I screwed up and added a multiple choice poll (against my better judgement), rather than a single-choice with more options. If I can revise the poll, I will be doing so, to include options for those that will only buy frame(s) in Aluminum or Steel, for those that will accept either but prefer one, and those with truly no preference. I'm hoping that by having it broken down into those categories we can not only find a consensus but also get a feel for whether we will have the numbers needed for the chosen material. Its imperfect, but hopefully it'll work. If I have to leave it with the lame multi-choice poll, then I'll just make the best sense of it that I can. Does anybody know how to remove or re-do a poll?
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It's about 3 times denser and 3 times the weight. Setup time would be the same, of course, and tooling. Tool life isn't really a consideration if you are only doing a few, but I know I wouldn't have a concern about strength of one in 9mm. The tensile strength of even unanodized 6061 in 0 state (no heat treat or next to a weld) is close to tens of thousands of lbs and in T6 state, near 40k psi. I'd prefer alum due to the weight of a completed project.
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Either one's fine for me. I prefer aluminum, as I already have two steel frames, and I only have one .40 kit. However, I'll go with either.
Now, if he goes with steel frames for the aliminum price, I'll up my order to 3. Can't be that much more complicated than a 1911 frame...
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If i'm going to put in the time to build quality I prefer everything I work with to be quality. I'd like to have my work last long and take a beating so i'm opting for the steel frame. It may be harder to cut then aluminum but nothing good in life comes easy.
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I'm afraid I'm going to have to back out of this one as much as I hate to. Bit off more than I should have a month or so ago financially so its back to "ramen" living for a while...
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Another parts set just closed. I expect this guy to list more:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=303546626
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hey guys-
just back online after a week floating around San Nicolas Isalnd w/ no access... will update list and such before leaving for ~ week again on Monday.
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So, how many commitments do we have at this point?
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My question would be where to get the parts to finish these frames into say, a p229 9mm elite? Will Sig sell all parts of specific models minus the frame? I don't want to commit if I'm not certain I can finish them.
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Occasionally there's a complete parts kit on Gunbroker, but rarely so. I got a complete P229 parts kit in .40 from Gunbroker for $216 a couple of month ago, and a P226 in 9mm - for $204. Just making sure I get the SIG parts before there's extra demand for them
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if it is steel im in for 1, possibly 2. i want to make a 226 in 40
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FYI, from what I read, P226 is the hardest build for these (few people have done it, for that reason).
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folks, i have been mostly out of circulation w/ work-related travel for several weeks- but i wanted to check in and say i will update counts and check in w/ KTO ASAP, probably in the next couple weeks.
sorry for the lack of updates lately, please be assured this thing is not dead. (it better not be, i just scored 3 DLASK P228 parts kits (only 1 w/ barrel)
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i have lots of friends who have done quite a few pistol and rifle builds as well, trust me i wont be tackling this on my own lol thanks for the heads up though
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