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It's going to be interesting to see how many of you that say "molon labe" actually mean it.
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Some court somewhere will rule that using enblock clips is functionally no different than using magazines, therefore enblock clips = ammunition feeding devices and Garand = AW and must be registered. But (Ha!Ha!), the registration period is closed and nothing we can do about it so bring 'em in! Last edited by Inoxmark; 02-21-2013 at 11:03 AM.. |
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Not before creating 200,000+ AWs..
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I wonder if Federal Law with regards to the DCM/CMP program overrides the silliness from the States? When it was the DCM there was no State approval, waiting period, etc to obtain an M1.
Also don't forget about AB174. Register your stuff today, but 174 takes em away tomorrow....
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By the time this gets to SCOTUS (if ever), Obama would probably have appointed another activist judge...
It's all over for our rights not just here in CA, but throughout the nation. This is very urgent, if we're gonna fight this, we need to do it fast.
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This thing is scary. The dems super-majority could push this through. |
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Personally I see a list of exempt rifles "used by legitimate hunters and sportsman" like Dianne Feinstein included prior to this passing to exempt Ruger 10/22s, Browning BAR hunting rifles, etc... But this list won't be including the M-1A or mini-14, etc.
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I got cold chills and then a warm feeling of exuberance in mere milliseconds.
This insanity is stealing life from me. Not sure to laugh or scream... Quote:
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BUT, does it speed up a challenge? My fear is we'll lose one (or more!) of the "Heller 5" before a significant "assault weapon" and mag capacity case will be heard before the court.
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Cases like this take quite a bit of time to build, and even more time to reach SCOTUS (if it ever gets that far). Something you're quite aware of, as are most of us here on CGN. I don't doubt that we'll (eventually) win most if not all of the court cases that are ongoing or are in the works, I'm just disheartened and frustrated about how they can still crank out these pathetic excuses for bills faster than we can strike them down in court... And, as I stated before, there is a rogue element in play here: time. Not trying to be the pessimist here (I'm usually an optimist...), just sharing my concerns and wondering if you could perhaps explain how this could all go down for us.
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He is above the law and voted himself and his friends the right to free stuff for life like heath care, private security, lavish vacations in far away lands, and committing acts of random craziness like driving a car off a bridge and killing your passenger, firing a shotgun off your balcony just because or using a cigar as an improvised sex device. Its all part of the Ted Kennedy legacy. ETA: Oh, does this bill mean the Winchester Model 190 I got from my dad as a kid could become an assault rifle? This bill hasn't been voted on or signed yet right?
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Yes, your Winchester 190 would be an assault weapon because it has a fixed (tubular) magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds. Standard capacity 22lr is 15, 21 rounds for 22. short.
This bill is an absolute disaster, no question about it. |
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Is that what it is? I read it completely different.
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When was the last time any firearm became a legal RAW in CA?
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To me this bill indicates that someone has been doing some strategic thinking. Banning semiautomatic rifles with detachable mags without regards to cosmetic features eliminates some of the key arguments against the traditional assault weapon bans that target only rifles with certain features, e.g. pistol grips, bayonet lugs.
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Yes, it does. Hopefully it will prove shortsighted in opening additional avenues of attack though. Protection of arms in common use becomes a better argument when you have 2/3 (or more) of all the rifles owned in the state falling under the new definition.
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There need to be consequences for these pricks in govt.
They can enact new stupid unconstitutional laws several orders of magnitude faster than the courts can remedy them. A class action suit against the individual law makers is what we need. These people are in breech of their oath of office - they have no legitimacy, and therefor should have no protection. |
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Anyone have any idea yet if these will have the same characteristics as other RAWs or will there be "featureless RAWs" and "Bullet Button RAWs" to further confuse things? What if I want to go featureless on an AR-15 RAW that was registered as a RAW because it had a Bullet Button? How does an officer tell if it's an SB-47 RAW, an SB-374 RAW, or an SB-23 RAW? This is CONFUSING!!!
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Common use only gets you in the door.
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------- To everyone else: 1. The best way to neuter the effect of assault weapon categorization is to make so many firearms into assault weapons. If everything is an assault weapon, nothing is. This is another law that was written on opposite day. 2. Don't get too hung up on SCOTUS makeup changes in the next 4 years. Keep in mind the Senate has to vote to confirm and they are already obstructing Hagel, a moderate Republican. If you think a liberal supreme court justice would get through to replace a conservative, well... |
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Gun Control is the new rallying cry of the Democrats especially because it takes the focus off the failed economy. I expect to see Obama pull a Hail Mary like Reagan did with Clarence Thomas: he will chose a Christian Conservative that is pro-life but is anti-2nd amendment.
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Writing the law that is so broad in its scope t turns almost any weapon into an Assault weapon including a Ruger 10/22 is not strategic it's bold. This is the end game and its going to Supreme Court this time at some point.
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Fabs is more or less right, everyone on both sides knows this is going to end up in the courtroom... by laying claim on the largest stake prior to the divvy, the grabbers hope to consolidate as much as possible while they have the dramatic microphone. That way, when the case finally reaches the circuit and the fervor has died down, there will be more for our side to recapture.
It was probably a mistake to reach this far, though, because it substantially increases the odds of an injunction, which means that they won't actually hold terrain when the case reaches the judge... they will only claim to hold it.
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So you paid the DROS tax which included being registered in the database, if a handgun, when you bought the firearm and then you have to pay 19.00 again?
Give me a break.
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edit: shortening speculation
This is a SCOTUS dare and they will take it as such. This is the long gun version of the DC/Chicago handgun bans, and could end up being just as helpful as they were. Last edited by stix213; 02-21-2013 at 3:47 PM.. |
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Actually, based on the proposed text, the purchase of any handgun via DROS after January 1, 1991 is exempt from this provision.
It looks like they're trying to document everything else so they have a complete list. |
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