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Old 03-13-2013, 7:09 AM
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Still trying to figure out how they know if I'm using handloaded or factory reloads...
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Has anyone hosted an at home dry fire class? I am hosting one 23MAR13 and would appreciate any lessons learned.
I was about to ask the same thing

As to ammo
They inspect on day 1 only, what you have in your car and bring after lunch is on you
If it blows up, it's on you
If it hurts someone, it's on you, even worse considering you just told FS you were using factory ammo, that fact WIL be used against you, not sure if in NV it could be a crime to have done that
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Still trying to figure out how they know if I'm using handloaded or factory reloads...
Factory reloads come in a factory box of some sort
Hand loads come in misc boxes
I'm guessing
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Well, we'll just see what happens. I'll bring enough factory and hand loaded I guess and see if they really get on it. I dump brand new factory ammo into loose bags for storage at times, rarely, but it does happen. I doubt something not being in a factory box would be an indicator.
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Is anybody else taking PR1 at the end of the month?
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I have precision rifle 1 in May.
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You can get away with some of it if nobody is looking, though I've heard they have cameras mounted on the tower and may see you.
I heard Iggy Pizza personally watches those cameras from a bunker in Colorado and that his Tom Selleck mmmmstache has turned into a Santa beard.

Wait, someone said he lurks on the boards, too. Dammit......
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I heard Iggy Pizza personally watches those cameras from a bunker in Colorado and that his Tom Selleck mmmmstache has turned into a Santa beard.

Wait, someone said he lurks on the boards, too. Dammit......
I know it sounds funny, but they do have equipment up there. I didn't pay much attention to them, but they look like repeaters or something. I didn't go all the way to the very top, so I don't know if there is more up there. It is plausible there are cameras up there. They installed four cameras on the road outside the gate last summer.

One of our instructors told us about the cameras when some of the students were picking up their bullets during breaks. He was serious about the cameras, but allowed a couple people continue to retrieve their dropped belongings for a few minutes.
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I agree the no reload rule is on your honor. Also It was very difficult to leave your ejected ammo on the ground from clearing malfunctions and drops. They did eventually let us pick it up but not the brass. It was very cool to be allowed to draw from the holster and fire two shots under timed conditions. It was fantastic. My insurance company would not let me drive a lap in my car while being timed. I had a great time and can't wait to get back. They also got my wife confident in her ability to load unload clear and deliver two quick shots.
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I'm certain there are cameras there. I'm also certain that they have nothing to do with you picking up your brass.
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I'm in Manteca, definitely want to get out there for at least a 2 Day Handgun course if not the 4 Day.

Best time of year to go?
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New Spring Break record?

Heard that 675+ students are enrolled this Friday and another 675+ on Monday. The 4 day class overlap on Monday could be a new record of 1100+ students. Anybody gonna be there that can report back? Take pictures!
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New Spring Break record?

Heard that 675+ students are enrolled this Friday and another 675+ on Monday. The 4 day class overlap on Monday could be a new record of 1100+ students. Anybody gonna be there that can report back? Take pictures!
I'll be starting a class on Monday. I imagine it'll be crazy. Good thing I'll be taking PR1 and will be far away from everyone else. I think I'll eat lunch on the range. Thank God they bring coffee to that range.

675+ signed up for shotgun for Monday?

I'll try to remember to take pics.
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I'll be starting a class on Monday. I imagine it'll be crazy. Good thing I'll be taking PR1 and will be far away from everyone else. I think I'll eat lunch on the range. Thank God they bring coffee to that range.

675+ signed up for shotgun for Monday?

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Which range do they bring coffee to?
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The precision rifle range. They did it a year ago when I took the class.
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675+ signed up for shotgun for Monday?

I'll try to remember to take pics.
2/4 Day Handgun. I think they are taking off classes that have filled up from the calendar/signup as I was originally scheduled to take that course.

I was there the same time last year and they had to have all the rifle guys meet in the white tent as the auditorium was filled with all the handgun students. Parking went all the way to the Doors and they had shuttles bringing people to registration.
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The auditorium was filled and overflow in the white tent when I was there too (feb 22-25)
There was 80+ kids at the time too, that all went to the 'other white tent' closer to the gate
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Thank Biden for that I suppose
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Still trying to figure out how they know if I'm using handloaded or factory reloads...
they don't, it's a honest system.
they only check ammo when you sign in and before first live fire.

but if your gun blew up...
or worst, you rented their gun and blew up.
(happened several times before in FS, according to records on their website)
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Of course they don't let you pick-up the brass,
that's how they pay the instructors!
The land is paid for,
the $50 background check fee is to pay for advertising...
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When I take the rifle class in the fall, I am going to bring a brass savr. I will not have it installed during weapons inspection. I wonder what safety excuse they will use to make me take it off??? They may actually like it when I shoot my SAR-8 as it throws the brass out violently straight at the shooter to my right. They probably dont want folded in half 308 brass anyway...
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Since you can shoot aluminum cases ammo there, I guess it's should be fine..
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Leaving brass behind is bad enough, but some Rangemasters will not allow you to retrieve your live ammo dropped during malfunction training and testing. That's what frosts my butt.
Some of the better instructors allow it, but they caution you to place it in a pocket, inspect it later and if it's GtG shoot it the following day. That makes way more sense than a strict prohibition on recovering live ammo. The dropped ammo may have defects from slamming into other rounds, dents and dings from the slide, any number of issues aside from dirt or debris.
I also fail to see the liability for FS if I use commerical remanufactured ammo (aka reloads) or my handloads. If I'm using my gun, my ammo, I've already signed off that I have the finanical ability to cover medical injuries, range damage, etc. so I blow my barrel up with my ammo....what's the deal? If injure another shooter that's on me too. I understand the policy, but not the enforcement. Don't ask, don't tell. If you muff the test or other exercise because your non-factory ammo failed, that's your bad, move on.
With the so called "ammo shortage" crisis, shooters may have become, shall I say, creative. I suspect class attendance may get lighter as a result.
Oh well, I know I called off my son and I's attendance to the 4 day rifle this weekend.
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Taking a pistol class a few years ago A guy down the line destroyed his Glock with a groundscore round, bloodied his hand, but luckily, that was all. With careful investigation, they figured that the round (which he picked-up in the shoot house) was a double charged reload that FTF on the first 2 tries and kaboomed on the 3rd. $600 gun lost to a $.20 reload...

Classes are dangerous enough (more so when they did the night shoots), being able to eliminate a risk of a student hurting themselves, another or an instructor with a reload is a worthwhile rule for them.
The "that's on me" part won't fly with lawyers, however good your word is.
I would love to shoot reloads too, but it's not my house...
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Leaving brass behind is bad enough, but some Rangemasters will not allow you to retrieve your live ammo dropped during malfunction training and testing. That's what frosts my butt.
Some of the better instructors allow it, but they caution you to place it in a pocket, inspect it later and if it's GtG shoot it the following day. That makes way more sense than a strict prohibition on recovering live ammo. The dropped ammo may have defects from slamming into other rounds, dents and dings from the slide, any number of issues aside from dirt or debris.
and at my 4DDHG class a couple weeks ago, someone on the line had a failure to feed tracked to picked up ammo. Seems that if you are shooting 9mm, it isn't a good idea to try to chamber a .40 round I guess the guy didn't properly inspect his range pickups before trying to re-use it.



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I also fail to see the liability for FS if I use commerical remanufactured ammo (aka reloads) or my handloads. If I'm using my gun, my ammo, I've already signed off that I have the finanical ability to cover medical injuries, range damage, etc. so I blow my barrel up with my ammo....what's the deal?.
it looks like that policy might have been loosened up,

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Wow this has to be a new record.

Sent a membership transfer email request at 12:47pm

Received the acknowledgement email from Front Sight at 1:57pm

Received the completed transfer email from Front Sight at 4:16pm.

All this while Front Sight is having record crowds at their Nevada facility. Anxious to hear back from CG members who are there this week.
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Wow
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Yesterday's attendance number was 1079. Parking was crazy and that did not even include the students who parked on phase two.

The morning welcome session occupied the main classroom and the white tent. For the first time ever, they had to stagger lunch times, students on the fourth day went first.

Stockpile Defense was worried about availability. One of the workers was trying to talk me out of a full course's worth of ammo.
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I wouldn't say unpleasant. I'm happy and encouraged to see so many people come out to train. Yeah, it was kinda crowded, but I'm sure most people enjoy being out there.

I didn't care that it was crowded. My class took place well away from the crowds. There are very few of us on our range.
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2/4 Day Handgun. I think they are taking off classes that have filled up from the calendar/signup as I was originally scheduled to take that course.
perhaps thats why there aren't very many 2-day handgun skill builder classes listed. I want a class that's Fri-Sat or Sun-Mon so that I only have to miss one day of work, but I dont' see that option until Sept.
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perhaps thats why there aren't very many 2-day handgun skill builder classes listed. I want a class that's Fri-Sat or Sun-Mon so that I only have to miss one day of work, but I dont' see that option until Sept.
I wanted the same thing
But will end up doing the may 29, Wednesday class.
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Grandson,son and myself took the 2-day shotgun this past Mon.-Tues. Place was packed as others have stated. Weather was nice,for the desert. Class had 2 and 4 day people mixed in. Came home with about 60 rounds of OO buck that wasn't shot.
Have to say that my new 930SPX kicked a** on the tactical course. Hit the bad guy steel with ease at 50yrds with a off hand shot . After 3 rotor cuff operations to my right shoulder I thought I might be hurting,my 930's recoil was not a problem at all .
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I wanted the same thing
But will end up doing the may 29, Wednesday class.
I'll see you there. With the frequency they offer these, I'm expecting that class to be PACKED, or split into two.
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My wife and I are ambassador members and have yet to take a class, submit for a background check, or submit the character witness letters. We are headed out to Las Vegas with family next week and wanted to stop by and check out the facility. Does anyone know if there are any issues with this? Do we just need bring our membership cards? I will contact them and ask but I figured someone here may know as well. Thanks.
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My wife and I are ambassador members and have yet to take a class, submit for a background check, or submit the character witness letters. We are headed out to Las Vegas with family next week and wanted to stop by and check out the facility. Does anyone know if there are any issues with this? Do we just need bring our membership cards? I will contact them and ask but I figured someone here may know as well. Thanks.
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They only do tours on some days
The website is incorrect on the anytime reference
Call the pro shop to make sure you go on the right day/time so you don't waste a trip

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