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Thank you for the resource, guess I'll just contact both my assembly member and senate representative
The bill is not in the Senate yet, so contacting your Senator will fall on deaf ears. Instead, contact your Assembly member, and the 7 members of the Assembly Public Safety Committee, which is who will be voting on this bill first.

For more information, see this post about contacting legislators http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...1#post21195841 (the first post in that thread is also worth a read, if you're not familiar with how the Legislature works in CA)
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For more information, see this post about contacting legislators http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...1#post21195841 (the first post in that thread is also worth a read, if you're not familiar with how the Legislature works in CA)
Exactly the information I was looking for, thank you very much for your time for putting that together.
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Exactly the information I was looking for, thank you very much for your time for putting that together.
You're welcome!

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yup, just sent my email to my state senator
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yup, just sent my email to my state senator
S/He won't see this bill unless the assembly passes it first, so make sure to contact your assembly member, as well, so that hopefully we can get this bill into the Senate! Thanks for joining the fight!

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They're way ahead of you, AB-2733 which was also introduced a few days ago, seeks to repeal only the microstamping portion of the law. When I posted about that one, people mostly complained that it didn't go far enough. Now there's this bill, and it goes too far Our representatives are coming at this from all angles this year, they are finally fighting this battle from an offense position for a change, and they deserve our heartfelt thanks.
Exactly; I saw that, and a multi-pronged attack is the best way to go. It's exactly how the Democrats committed their strategy last year, which unfortunately, worked for them.

Knowing there are simultaneous legal efforts going on, even better.



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S/He won't see this bill unless the assembly passes it first, so make sure to contact your assembly member, as well, so that hopefully we can get this bill into the Senate! Thanks for joining the fight!

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Anyone who’s corresponded with their rep have a letter template they’d like to share?


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I'd always hoped this law would be thrown out by SCOTUS - since it is easily proven that "safety" is not what this legislation is about. But I suppose that is not going to happen.
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It's here to stay. The SCOTUS is completley comfortable with 50 different interpretations of the 2nd amendment. That is why they refuse to clarify Heller or take any new gun cases. They are done with us.

Concerned citizens will make their own rules up.
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It's here to stay. The SCOTUS is completley comfortable with 50 different interpretations of the 2nd amendment. That is why they refuse to clarify Heller or take any new gun cases. They are done with us.

Concerned citizens will make their own rules up.
I observed out of state, this is pretty much how it works. Law enforcement is more concerned about criminals rather than what law abiding gun owners do with their firearms. Which is how it should be.
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I observed out of state, this is pretty much how it works. Law enforcement is more concerned about criminals rather than what law abiding gun owners do with their firearms. Which is how it should be.
That's how it often is in rural CA, but the problem is you can never be 100% sure whether the LE in your area feel the same way, or even how a particular officer feels.

My only LE interaction about guns, so far, involved a Sheriff asking if he could try shooting a couple shells with my Benelli M4. He couldn't have cared less what kinds of other guns I had, didn't even look or ask. Just wanted to say hi, shoot my M4, and thank me for being safe and cleaning up after myself. But I certainly don't want to take the chance that every future interaction with every other officer in the area will be as pleasant. It would be great if some departments would post their official positions on these matters so that we could do what we want to do with confidence.
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That's how it often is in rural CA, but the problem is you can never be 100% sure whether the LE in your area feel the same way, or even how a particular officer feels.
As the saying goes... "it's better than a kick in the @$$."

Ignoring laws established by politicians in far-away locations is how CA "legalized" pot and how CO deals with magazines over 15 round capacity. It is better than having monolithic law enforcement driven by the LAPD.

Besides, those in L.A. have to learn that if they want to govern and dictate the rest of CA, they actually have to live where the rest of CA is. Just being localized in a few human anthill locations gives them a lot of votes, but not that much territory coverage. Do you really expect LAPD officers to travel the state to enforce the law? As likely as feds suddenly coming to CA to enforce marijuana laws...
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Is everyone so busy that they can't write their rep to voice their support for these types of bills? What do you have to lose by doing that, 10 minutes of your time? It doesn't even require paper, envelope, and stamp these days.Come on folks.

Even if you know your rep won't support it, you should be writing them anyway, if for nothing else, just to get under their skin.
Oh, my rep supports gun rights alright, but he isn't on any of these committees where these bills die on party line votes. As you know well, nothing favorable to 2A gets past the Public safety Committee, where we can't even get a fair hearing because minds are made up before the hearings ever start. The hearings are just for show and to fulfill the requirements of the law.
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As the saying goes... "it's better than a kick in the @$$."

Ignoring laws established by politicians in far-away locations is how CA "legalized" pot and how CO deals with magazines over 15 round capacity. It is better than having monolithic law enforcement driven by the LAPD.

Besides, those in L.A. have to learn that if they want to govern and dictate the rest of CA, they actually have to live where the rest of CA is. Just being localized in a few human anthill locations gives them a lot of votes, but not that much territory coverage. Do you really expect LAPD officers to travel the state to enforce the law? As likely as feds suddenly coming to CA to enforce marijuana laws...
Lots and LOTS of both rural urban pot grows got busted before it got legalized, though. Unlike us, they took the chance because they stood to make a LOT of money if they didn't get caught. I doubt they were doing it with the hopes that it might cause it to become legal someday. On the contrary, most probably didn't want it to be legalized.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for people ignoring our gun laws. I strongly support them. I'm just a little more careful about it, that's all.
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As a company selling a rather ridiculous compliance device because of the roster, we would celebrate not having to keep producing our kit if this passes!
This post makes me want to, just to support you and I honestly have no desire to build an 80%. I'm on my way to your website now to see what there is to see.

I don't have high hopes that this case will get anywhere. Just like the 10-day wait, SCOTUS will keep knocking down all cases related to 2A that they can.
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That's how it often is in rural CA, but the problem is you can never be 100% sure whether the LE in your area feel the same way, or even how a particular officer feels.

My only LE interaction about guns, so far, involved a Sheriff asking if he could try shooting a couple shells with my Benelli M4. He couldn't have cared less what kinds of other guns I had, didn't even look or ask. Just wanted to say hi, shoot my M4, and thank me for being safe and cleaning up after myself. But I certainly don't want to take the chance that every future interaction with every other officer in the area will be as pleasant. It would be great if some departments would post their official positions on these matters so that we could do what we want to do with confidence.
Guns with LE can be hit or miss. There are LE that will take any opportunity to take guns off the street (legal or not). Some LE are more gun friendly and will look the other way, even on felonies if you are not a gang member.

I was talking with a neighbor in SD and his father in Law passed away leaving a bunch of firearms, even some machine guns. My neighbor, not being a gun enthusiast, took them all to the local sheriffs station and tried to turn them in. The guy working the desk told him to just go to a gun store and sell them. My neighbor then asked, "are you sure? I got a whole arsenal in the trunk?" and the deputy said "yea, a gun store will put them all in legal condition and help you sell them for a fee. Have a nice day."
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I don't have high hopes that this case will get anywhere. Just like the 10-day wait, SCOTUS will keep knocking down all cases related to 2A that they can.
Just semantics, but this is a bill, not a case. There is a roster case as well, but that's a different discussion.

The primary difference is that instead of the courts (who are NOT receptive to commentary from the public) deciding whether or not we keep the roster, it'll be decided by the legislature (who is, theoretically anyways, more receptive to our commentary)
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I was talking with a neighbor in SD and his father in Law passed away leaving a bunch of firearms, even some machine guns. My neighbor, not being a gun enthusiast, took them all to the local sheriffs station and tried to turn them in. The guy working the desk told him to just go to a gun store and sell them. My neighbor then asked, "are you sure? I got a whole arsenal in the trunk?" and the deputy said "yea, a gun store will put them all in legal condition and help you sell them for a fee. Have a nice day."
Hahahaha, that's awesome

And the way it should be! Your neighbor was obviously not a criminal, so he shouldn't be treated as one. Kudos to that Sheriff employee for doing the right thing.
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Just semantics, but this is a bill, not a case. There is a roster case as well, but that's a different discussion.

The primary difference is that instead of the courts (who are NOT receptive to commentary from the public) deciding whether or not we keep the roster, it'll be decided by the legislature (who is, theoretically anyways, more receptive to our commentary)
That's a good distinction, I had it in my brain this was another case similar to the one already in motion. Thanks!

Even still, I can't say my hopes are raised much. I did log into the site and comment to Assemblyman Allen, thanking him. So here's to hope, even if it's a sliver.
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Sounds great, won’t pass.
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How much does the roster program cost to administer?...
And it's been in affect long enough to have the statistics to prove that nothing has changed. We are spending unnecessary money that accomplishes nothing. Even a spendthrift democrat will support that.
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Bill is about as DOA as it gets, which even he knows. It's more of a talking point for getting the GOP vote out and for him in May-June.
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Seeing a lot of asinine "in favor of gun control" threads. Damned shills.

In the meantime, let's not forget there are favorable bills being pitched in CA, even if there is no faith they have legs. Showing support for them is still important to those legislators that are standing by us and took the time, work, effort, and their credibility to submit these bills in the first place.

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Ask and you shall receive, we don't know who is truly anti-gun and who isn't.

Our greatest weapon to fight the anti's is the TRUTH they sell lies, prop 63 was a lie and why it passed so easily. If you actually explain the hypocrisy and lies of the original laws, objective thinkers will look at it and go "huh? Well that doesn't make any sense".

CA is filled with anti gun dodo birds, but it's also filled with honest hard working people who may identify democrat in the bigger picture, but may not be anti gun.

The more pro 2a bills we have coming out, with everything properly laid out, the more likely we are to defeat the restrictive ones that are already on the books.

The people who keep talking about these fantasy lawsuits that are going to save us, AREN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. SCOTUS doesn't give an F about the 2A in california, THIS is how we can slowly get our rights back by fighting from the inside. If we put enough pressure on them with a slew of 2a bills and strong public support I think we can some traction and make headway here in CA. Don't cut down those that are fighting for us, support them and fall in line!
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OK, the "march for our lies" propaganda force got their 15 minutes. We've got real work to do.
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If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?
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From a couple of years back. This is one of the easiest and most egregious gun control schemes California has ever come up with....all in the name of "public safety".

"“California’s handgun roster and microstamping laws are a nothing short of a ban on safe, modern firearms that are commonly purchased by residents of other states for lawful purposes like self-defense,” Brandon Combs, executive director of the Calguns Foundation told Guns.com Tuesday.

“We predicted years ago that the roster would continue to shrink, and we’re seeing that here,” he said.

Calguns estimates that at the current rate the number of approved handguns will dwindle to practically zero within the next six years as those currently approved will fail to meet new requirements, leaving a state of some 38 million unable to purchase new semi-automatic handguns."


http://www.guns.com/2016/01/06/calif...ster-turns-16/
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