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Any logical reason why one Buckmark is on the CA roster and one is not?
I'm considering a Buck Mark Lite Gray URX with a 7 1/4" Barrel. There's two models available that seem to be absolutely identical (including mags) except that one is on the roster and one is not:
"California Compliant Buck Mark Lite Gray URX 7 1/4" Barrel" Browning Item Number 051462490 UPC 023614068211 "Buck Mark Lite Gray URX 7 1/4" Barrel" Browning Item Number 051517490 UPC 023614440208 Does anyone here know if there's any difference between the two firearms other than their nomenclature and their inclusion on the roster? Thanks.
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That makes no sense if the two guns are otherwise identical . If Browning had to make a physical change, the new nomenclature would make sense. But if they're otherwise identical there's no reason to create a part number just for CA.
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Maybe they only wanted to pay for one gun on the roster since they are very alike?
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Just a guess here..but perhaps one comes with a real magazine and the other comes with a neutered 10 and less magazine.
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All Buck Mark mags (that I know of) are 10 rounders. You're right -- companies like Glock and S&W create new part numbers for their guns that ship with "CA approved" magazines, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
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It could be something along the lines of the CA model having a gun lock included or something like that. I simply don't know, hence my question.
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They appear to be physically identical, hence my question.
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It might be the color difference. Go ahead and laugh but it's true for Glocks I believe. Any deviation from the tested model won't allow it on the roster. Is it logical? No is it California ? Yes. Welcome comrade.
Never mind I looked again and they appear to be the same color. |
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My guess is the difference is the non-CA model is under the category of "Current Production".
The CA Compliant one is probably made the exact same way using the same parts as when it was CA approved, per CA law. The Current Production ones probably have minor manufacturing process changes and updates that would make them "unsafe" in CA.
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Nope. It costs Browning $$$ to create and maintain separate part numbers. If required, that warning would go in ALL of their manuals.
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The mags shouldn't be an issue -- I know of no stock Buck Mark mags over 10 rounds. Chamber indicator and/or mag disconnect is a possibility.
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Possibly. I don't know...
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If you look at their 2016 catalog (pp 86-88) it shows a table of CA versions and then later the non-CA version of this pistol is noted as being "new 2016." It's hard to tell what that means but under said "new" pistols in the pictures it mentions... RECEIVER Alloy • Matte gray or green nish BARREL Alloy sleeve • 5-1/2" or 7-1/4" length • Matte gray or green nish • Fluted ACTION Blowback • Single-action trigger GRIPS Ultragrip RX ambidextrous FEATURES Pro-Target adjustable rear sight • TRUGLO®/Marble Arms® ber-optic front sight So if those are the things they're calling attention to then maybe they tweaked the grips or the sights or something relative to the California version. http://www.browning.com/content/dam/...ng-catalog.pdf |
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Browning probably made some minor changes to the gun or different manufacturing process to the gun. If they do a silent upgrade and continue to sell the updated gun as the one on the roster, CA DOJ will deem the gun a brand new gun and it will be drop off the roster.
I believe browning will either keep producing a CA only model in batches and sell the updated gun to the rest of the states, or they just keep the CA model on the roster so at least we can buy old stock if it's available. |
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Logic was not used nor the goal with the DOJ Roster of Approved Handguns.
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