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Old 10-06-2016, 12:08 PM
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Default Any logical reason why one Buckmark is on the CA roster and one is not?

I'm considering a Buck Mark Lite Gray URX with a 7 1/4" Barrel. There's two models available that seem to be absolutely identical (including mags) except that one is on the roster and one is not:

"California Compliant Buck Mark Lite Gray URX 7 1/4" Barrel"
Browning Item Number 051462490 UPC 023614068211

"Buck Mark Lite Gray URX 7 1/4" Barrel"
Browning Item Number 051517490 UPC 023614440208

Does anyone here know if there's any difference between the two firearms other than their nomenclature and their inclusion on the roster? Thanks.
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Yes. Because. That's why.
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Different bar code that was not drop tested.
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One has pointy elbows. That's about as rationale as I can get.
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Different bar code that was not drop tested.
That makes no sense if the two guns are otherwise identical . If Browning had to make a physical change, the new nomenclature would make sense. But if they're otherwise identical there's no reason to create a part number just for CA.
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Maybe they only wanted to pay for one gun on the roster since they are very alike?
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Just a guess here..but perhaps one comes with a real magazine and the other comes with a neutered 10 and less magazine.
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Your first problem is youre trying to use logic and common sense to analyze CA gun regulations
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Your first problem is youre trying to use logic and common sense to analyze CA gun regulations
This.

This is why gun education should be our number 1 priority. If people were educated and understood what was going on these overreaching laws would not hold water.
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Just a guess here..but perhaps one comes with a real magazine and the other comes with a neutered 10 and less magazine.
All Buck Mark mags (that I know of) are 10 rounders. You're right -- companies like Glock and S&W create new part numbers for their guns that ship with "CA approved" magazines, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
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Your first problem is youre trying to use logic and common sense to analyze CA gun regulations
No, that's not the case. I'm trying to figure out why Browning would create two different part numbers if what's in the boxes are the same?

It could be something along the lines of the CA model having a gun lock included or something like that. I simply don't know, hence my question.
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Maybe they only wanted to pay for one gun on the roster since they are very alike?
They appear to be physically identical, hence my question.
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did you just use the words logical and california in the sentence????
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It might be the color difference. Go ahead and laugh but it's true for Glocks I believe. Any deviation from the tested model won't allow it on the roster. Is it logical? No is it California ? Yes. Welcome comrade.

Never mind I looked again and they appear to be the same color.
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the roster doesn't believe in logic
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My guess is the difference is the non-CA model is under the category of "Current Production".
The CA Compliant one is probably made the exact same way using the same parts as when it was CA approved, per CA law.

The Current Production ones probably have minor manufacturing process changes and updates that would make them "unsafe" in CA.
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So Browning can add this into the manual for those sold in California...


...yeah, that's it.
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Nothing logical regarding roster. Basically it's one othe way Leftist Democrap government want to restrict 2A
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My guess is the difference is the non-CA model is under the category of "Current Production".
The CA Compliant one is probably made the exact same way using the same parts as when it was CA approved, per CA law.

The Current Production ones probably have minor manufacturing process changes and updates that would make them "unsafe" in CA.
That's the only thing that makes sense. Browning was producing the gun. They made a product design change (a manufacturing process change would be a non-issue so long as the output was the same) and assigned a new number to the revised model, while the existing model became the "California model" using the existing P/N.
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So Browning can add this into the manual for those sold in California...


...yeah, that's it.
Nope. It costs Browning $$$ to create and maintain separate part numbers. If required, that warning would go in ALL of their manuals.
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Simple as a 10 round mag or maybe no Loaded Chamber Indicator (which shouldn't make a dif on 22LR) or no magazine disconnect?
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No - they are not identical.

One is perfectly safe for you (peasant) to own.

The other is lethal and will kill babies and puppies all by itself.
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It's for the CHILDREN! Don't you people understand how deadly that "other" Buckmark is?!?!
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Is one of them black? Because the democrats don't like black. Think of them as the Klu Klux Klan for firearms. "String that Black AR, he don't belong in these parts..."
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An internal magazine safety in the CA model, perhaps?
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>CA Roster
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pick one
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Simple as a 10 round mag or maybe no Loaded Chamber Indicator (which shouldn't make a dif on 22LR) or no magazine disconnect?
The mags shouldn't be an issue -- I know of no stock Buck Mark mags over 10 rounds. Chamber indicator and/or mag disconnect is a possibility.
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An internal magazine safety in the CA model, perhaps?
Possibly. I don't know...
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There is nothing logical about the roster so......
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Possibly. I don't know...
I think they all have a magazine safety.
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No, that's not the case. I'm trying to figure out why Browning would create two different part numbers if what's in the boxes are the same?

It could be something along the lines of the CA model having a gun lock included or something like that. I simply don't know, hence my question.
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My guess is the difference is the non-CA model is under the category of "Current Production".
The CA Compliant one is probably made the exact same way using the same parts as when it was CA approved, per CA law.

The Current Production ones probably have minor manufacturing process changes and updates that would make them "unsafe" in CA.
Possibly something along these lines.

If you look at their 2016 catalog (pp 86-88) it shows a table of CA versions and then later the non-CA version of this pistol is noted as being "new 2016." It's hard to tell what that means but under said "new" pistols in the pictures it mentions...

RECEIVER Alloy • Matte gray or green nish BARREL Alloy sleeve • 5-1/2" or 7-1/4" length • Matte gray or green nish • Fluted ACTION Blowback • Single-action trigger GRIPS Ultragrip RX ambidextrous FEATURES Pro-Target adjustable rear sight • TRUGLO®/Marble Arms® ber-optic front sight

So if those are the things they're calling attention to then maybe they tweaked the grips or the sights or something relative to the California version.

http://www.browning.com/content/dam/...ng-catalog.pdf
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Browning probably made some minor changes to the gun or different manufacturing process to the gun. If they do a silent upgrade and continue to sell the updated gun as the one on the roster, CA DOJ will deem the gun a brand new gun and it will be drop off the roster.

I believe browning will either keep producing a CA only model in batches and sell the updated gun to the rest of the states, or they just keep the CA model on the roster so at least we can buy old stock if it's available.
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Because it's CADOJ policy to eliminate handgun sales by using the roster as a defacto ban.
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I had my eyes on a nice black Buckmark with an integral rail on the top - lovely thing. Not on roster. Functionally identical to the one you linked.

I'm giving up on CA.
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"Any logical reason why one Buckmark is on the CA roster and one is not?"

The short answer: No.
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fuzzy math.
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Logic was not used nor the goal with the DOJ Roster of Approved Handguns.
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