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Old 09-22-2018, 2:43 PM
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Default I'm thinking of a CZ in 9mm or in 45 ACP

I've been thinking about it for a while now. I tried a CZ 75 at the range this morning and was amazed at how comfortably I shot with it. But at the same time I've been thinking of a 1911 in 45 ACP. So how about a CZ 97 as a compromise? You thoughts?
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1911 in 9mm is also an option
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I'll go easy on you because you only have 5 posts, but the answer to this question always is:




















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Hold a 97 before you buy it. Its a big gun. I have big hands so fits me well. But I've heard others complain.
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1911 in 9mm is also an option
Yes indeed. I already have a couple of 9mm. I always thought the cost of .45 was a little prohibitive but now that I started reloading a few month ago I'm thinking that .45 would be more affordable.
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Hold a 97 before you buy it. Its a big gun. I have big hands so fits me well. But I've heard others complain.
The size of the grips is what I like about both the CZ75 and the 1911 that I have tried. though I haven't held them together at the same time to compare. Does the CZ97 fell like a 1911?
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The trigger on a bad 1911 will be better than one on a good CZ.

Don't get me wrong; I own CZ's and 1911's, along with a few other guns. CZ makes a great gun but nothing beats the trigger on a 1911. My 2 cents; get the 1911 first and after you get use to it then shoot a CZ 97 and see if you like it. A good entry level 1911 (like a SA Loaded) will run you +/- $200 more than the CZ, but by the time you get an action job on the CZ you will be in the same price range and the trigger still won't be comparable to the 1911. YMMV.
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1911's are classic. Classic feel, classic trigger, classic everything. At the same time, the CZ is legendary for its toughness and reliability. It too, like the 1911, is still to this day a military side arm and has been proven the world over. You can customize both any way you want (and you can make any CZ run like a $3K 1911).

The two things, ultimately, you'll want to consider is this:
How much are you willing to spend?
What is most important to you - utility(CZ) or legacy(1911)?

I have 1911's and CZ's both. Nothing will ever replace a 1911 for me, but when it comes to a side arm I KNOW without a doubt will never fail me, I grab my CZ every time.

**The CZ97 is an interesting animal. I have one, fully Cajunized, and it's just... fun. But, it's never served militarily and was never made for such service. It was manufactured explicitly for commercial sales to the US market. It's a big chunk of steel, very big actually. It's a pleasure to shoot but I don't think I'll ever carry it (that is, legally open carry outside of CA).
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The .45 1911 and CZ97 have very little in common except their semi-autos in .45 ACP. I have both and shoot them pretty well. The CZ is a big double stack pistol that feels big in the hand, and I'm 6'4' tall with big hands. Overall, the 1911 feels better and handles better. However, I will say there's hardly any real felt recoil with the BIG CZ97. IIRC, the first semi-automatic pistol I fired was a Colt 1911 Government Model in my late teens. I've been fond of them ever since. I like CZ pistols, but I have deep spiritual connection to the 1911. FWIW
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The size of the grips is what I like about both the CZ75 and the 1911 that I have tried. though I haven't held them together at the same time to compare. Does the CZ97 fell like a 1911?
No. Completely different. I have a harder time gripping 1911s because single stack guns don't fit my hand as well. The 97 has a larger, wider grip. Great for me, but not for everyone.

If you like the 97, I recommend using the Hogue rubber wrap-around grips (with the finger grooves). They're meant for the CZ75, but with a little heat you can fit them to the 97B.
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Not that most people care since its California... but a little background info on the CZ97.

It started its life during the ban era when all guns were limited to ten round mags. For a .45 of that size to only hold ten, it's pretty ridiculous. While it may still be popular here in California because of our mag capacity restrictions, it is far less popular in the rest of the US.

So, whether or not you care about popularity outside of CA, it's a bit of a redheaded step child of the CZ lineup.
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I've heard people say their CZ97 is as accurate as 1911s for twice the price. Both are more accurate than me so I don't know. But the 97 can be Cajunized, which is a pretty sweet option. Mine isn't... yet.

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The grips are obviously different ergonomically, the mags are 7/8 rds vs 10 rds.
Although the CZ has a threaded bushing, I have not noticed any greater accuracy
between my RIA Tac and 97B. I'd get a 1911 first, then get the CZ
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You cannot go wrong with either. I just added a 97b to my collection a week ago and I cannot put it down. It is very accurate with virtually no recoil and, is a blast to shoot. If you find one, grab it. You can always get a 75b
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The trigger on a bad 1911 will be better than one on a good CZ.

YMMV.
That's good to know. How do these compare to the trigger of my current gun, the Beretta 92FS?
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Get a Kahr P45. It'll keep you in practice with DA trigger. I just got one not long ago, really like it so far. Works with many 1911 magazines.

This is it with my Colt 1911.
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That's good to know. How do these compare to the trigger of my current gun, the Beretta 92FS?
I have a 92FS - every newer gun I have seems better than its trigger in DA or SA. Unless you get a trigger job on the 92FS
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Get a Kahr P45. It'll keep you in practice with DA trigger. I just got one not long ago, really like it so far. Works with many 1911 magazines.
Did not know this about the Kahr. Had one in my hands last week and was on the fence about it...
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From what i have gathered the grip depth vs width ratio for the CZ 97 is what makes it uncomfortable most often for folks. It has a very deep grip for its width. This can be somewhat remedied with thicker grips in some cases. As other have stated be sure to handle one before buying, especially if you have smaller hands.

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I've been thinking about it for a while now. I tried a CZ 75 at the range this morning and was amazed at how comfortably I shot with it. But at the same time I've been thinking of a 1911 in 45 ACP. So how about a CZ 97 as a compromise? You thoughts?
I love CZs, but if you don’t already have a good .45 caliber 1911, get one.
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I've heard people say their CZ97 is as accurate as 1911s for twice the price. Both are more accurate than me so I don't know. But the 97 can be Cajunized, which is a pretty sweet option. Mine isn't... yet.

That's a good picture. On the CZ, the grip is about 1/5th wider from this angle and it is probably wider seen from the back. The frame is also wider. The 1911 is less bulky and has finer lines.
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Get a Kahr P45. It'll keep you in practice with DA trigger. I just got one not long ago, really like it so far. Works with many 1911 magazines.

This is it with my Colt 1911.
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The Kahr looks too much like the Glock that sleeps in my safe. I'm sure there are differences between these two but It is not my cup of tea.
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I have a 92FS - every newer gun I have seems better than its trigger in DA or SA. Unless you get a trigger job on the 92FS
I got the D-spring for the 92 and it's a small improvement. I'm not sure if I would want to throw too much money at it to make it better.

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Just an FYI, if you have smallish hands, it can be a reach for the trigger on a 97B.

That said, I prefer my 97B to my .45 Loaded.

On the other hand, I prefer my 9mm Loaded to my SP-01.
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I'm partial to my P01, and the SP-01 personally.

CZ 97b feels great with rubber grips. I was not a fan of the size with the wood ones, so be aware of that if your gun store only has wood equipped ones. I wear an L sized nitrile glove and it fit me fine with rubber grips.

That being said, a 75 or a 75 SP-01 are really great guns to own. The safety versions are also nice starter guns if you're interested in tinkering with the gun. I'd recommend a 75 variant before a 1911 or a 97b. 9mm is cheap, the ergonomics are phenomenal, and there are some nice incremental upgrade options that you can (if you want) go with from CZCustom or CajunGunWorks.

1911 has more aftermarket, but I've found a lot of it to be rice rocket garbage, and if you boil it down to quality stuff, there isn't that much more than the aftermarket for CZs, and I don't think I've heard anyone have a complaint about CGW or CZC upgrades.
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The Kahr looks too much like the Glock that sleeps in my safe. I'm sure there are differences between these two but It is not my cup of tea.
Probably the rubberized grip tape I put on it, but it feels different than a Glock, feels more like a little 1911 with a super smooth DA trigger.
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I but CZ right up there with any DA/SA handgun. The 97b is good but the 75b is one of the best 9mm platforms out there.
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The .45 1911 and CZ97 have very little in common except their semi-autos in .45 ACP. I have both and shoot them pretty well. The CZ is a big double stack pistol that feels big in the hand, and I'm 6'4' tall with big hands. Overall, the 1911 feels better and handles better. However, I will say there's hardly any real felt recoil with the BIG CZ97. IIRC, the first semi-automatic pistol I fired was a Colt 1911 Government Model in my late teens. I've been fond of them ever since. I like CZ pistols, but I have deep spiritual connection to the 1911. FWIW
Now don't get me wrong, I personally like the CZ97, but it is big. I find it shoots very well, indeed. If you excuse the two shots I pulled, the group below is pretty okay. Darn, I shouldn't have had that second cup of coffee before going to the range . . . gets me jittery.

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There's no short answer but I'd take the CZ over all your options, In My Opinion. I've tried them all.

Cleaning and breakdown - CZ

Lower Recoil - CZ

Trigger - 1911

Grip - 1911

Accuracy - CZ

Cost - CZ, but there are some 1911's that are lower in cost but not great in quality.

With a little investment at Cajun Gun Works, CZ would win all categories to me, except cost.
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My take is this:

1911 for .45 ACP
CZ for 9mm

This coming from owning 1911’s and CZ’s in both .45 ACP and 9mm in the past and now only own 1911’s in .45 ACP and CZ’s in 9mm

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1911 for .45 ACP
CZ for 9mm

This coming from owning 1911’s and CZ’s in both .45 ACP and 9mm in the past and now only own 1911’s in .45 ACP and CZ’s in 9mm

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Tanfoglio Witness Elite Match in 45. It feels great and has an awesome trigger. Also great in the looks Dept. But it is off roster.
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Well I think I am starting to make up my mind.A 1911 in 45acp for now and a CZ in 9mm in a more distant future. Thanks for all your input and the nice pictures everybody.

I think this is the way to go.

When I had CZ fever, the 97B (and 2075 Rami) were the guns with which I did NOT bond. In fact, the 97B had to go back to the manufacturer for warranty repair. The loaded chamber indicator broke. No big deal, but a pain in the butt.

For me, there was no comparison between the CZ and my 1911’s. I seriously doubt “Cajunizing” would have made it better than any of my 1911’s. To be fair though, I was running Wilson Combats, Nighthawk Customs and a Springfield Custom at four times the cost of the CZ. Still...
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Well I think I am starting to make up my mind.A 1911 in 45acp for now and a CZ in 9mm in a more distant future. Thanks for all your input and the nice pictures everybody.
I did something similar when I started to get into 45 ACP.

Started with a G21 followed by SA 1911 and eventually the 97B. Obviously all very different from each other. I accept those differences and have become proficient at shooting them all. I have 3 grips for the 97B - wood, aluminum and rubber. Out of those 3 pistols the rubber grip 97B is the most comfortable for me to hold and shoot.

Now I'm getting back into revolvers and trimming my pistol collection!

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