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Old 09-10-2018, 3:28 PM
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Default Anybody else doing a 2000 round challenge right now.

Just started one on my early 2016 production Colt M45A1. Currently only at 450 rounds fired, should get at least another 100 fired this week. So far no stoppages, malfunctions or breakage.

The gun had 1150 rounds fired when I started so she is good and broke in, did a good clean and lube before I started. Used M7 to clean and Rem oil for lube with a small amount of grease on the rials.

All the ammo I am using is my 230 and 200 gran plated reloads, W231 powder and CCI primers. I have just as much confidence in my reloads as I do with cheap factory trianing rounds, but will say the 231 can be a bit on the dirty side. After only the 450 rounds fired she is filthy, but have not noticed any sluggishness in the recoil. These Colts are built loose, shake it and itís like a rock in a tin can.

Should note that the stock dual recoil spring has been replaced with a Wilson flat recoil spring and short guide rode, the stock mainspring housing has been replaced with a Ed Brown MSH and magwel, these changes have over 600 rounds fired with them before the test. Everything else remains Colt stock.
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What are the peramiters for the challenge?
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2,000 rounds is not that many to go without cleaning and expect a gun to work. I've done this with both 1911s and at least three of the glocks I own. I suppose if anything, it would give you a lot of confidence in your gun. Especially if it's your EDC.

The only reason I'd hesitate to do that now is its so much harder to find good deals on ammo because you can't ship it.

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Easier to do with a .22 but you’ll get a lot of stoppages!
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2,000 rounds is not that many to go without cleaning and expect a gun to work. I've done this with both 1911s and at least three of the glocks I own. I suppose if anything, it would give you a lot of confidence in your gun. Especially if it's your EDC.

The only reason I'd hesitate to do that now is its so much harder to find good deals on ammo because you can't ship it.

Good luck you those doing it.
Itís just something to do, I donít put a ton of stock in it and it really doesnít make me trust a gun any more or less.

Youíd be surprised how many guns of all makes do not go the full 2000 without a stoppage of some sort, many are shooter induced. But a stoppage is a stoppage, still counts against the gun as far as this test goes.

The only other gun I have done it with was a Glock Gen 3 35, again with my reloads. She went all the way to 2200 before I stopped, even did about 500 with a light on it.

Always wanted to do it with a 1911, a lot of people want to add oil during the test but that is a no no canít add any during the test.

Iím one of those people that clean their guns after every range day, so itís a little tough for me at first. But Iím also a big time logger of my range and trianing days so itís fun for me to keep track of it.

Iíll do follow ups on this post from time to time as the rounds pile up.
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I did this before it was cool. It's called being lazy after range days and just not cleaning my guns. Not sure if I ever made it to 2000 rounds but definitely over a 1000 rounds with no hiccups.
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I always do 2700 rnds with any new gun for CCW / competition or tactical trianing...

- field strip, clean and lubricate and reassemble
- 100 rounds of duty / defense ammo (currently Federal HST 124 gr +P)
- 2500 rnds FMJ
- 100 rnds duty / defense ammo
- field strip, clean and lubricate and reassemble

Gun must function without stoppage or malfunction. I have never had a stock service pistol fail. nor would I expect one to. Guns that I have subjected to this test;

- customized Springfield SS 1911
- customized Colt SS Combat Commander
- SiG P220
- Sig P226
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- HK VP9
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2,000 rounds is not that many to go without cleaning and expect a gun to work.
Agree with this. I don't consider it a "challenge," any decent gun should work fine without cleaning for at least a few thousand rounds; if it doesn't I'd question owning it unless it was a family heirloom or a collector piece
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I have no intention of ever cleaning my G19 unless I've just been in a sandstorm or went swimming with it.
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I did do this test on several pistols past 3 years.

One that failed miserably was the MP9. Guide rod cracked. Replaced no more issues. Currently testing the glock 19x and gen5 17
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I did do this test on several pistols past 3 years.

One that failed miserably was the MP9. Guide rod cracked. Replaced no more issues. Currently testing the glock 19x and gen5 17
Interesting on the M&P, I was thinking about doing one of mine next. All of mine except the Shield have at least an Apex trigger and sear. Wanted to do the test with an Apex gun, on one of mine I adjusted the trigger bar loop a little too much. Causing at least one light primer strike every 50 or so rounds. I have since closed the loop some and the problem went away. Also wouldnít mind testing my gen 5 19, although a lot of them have already been run though it so lots of info on them.
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I have no intention of ever cleaning my G19 unless I've just been in a sandstorm or went swimming with it.
Yeah ok, but why? If a dirty gun work well then certainly it will run even better if itís clean. I sort of like cleaning guns.

I have heard a theory though that running a gun dirty helps smooth it out as the crap will be like lapping compound on tight parts. But on a Glock that doesnít sound right.
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Any stock pistol should be up to this challenge. 2000 rounds isn’t that much.

But I definitely didn’t think 1911s could go dry that long. I was under the impression that 1911s were finnicky that way...especially the tighter built ones. But I don’t know.
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No...and there is no reason to. I just shoot, track the rounds and note performance. Then I take it to a class.
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The longer it takes the shooter to reach the 2K goal the bigger the chance of a malfunction.
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Itís just something to do, I donít put a ton of stock in it and it really doesnít make me trust a gun any more or less.

Youíd be surprised how many guns of all makes do not go the full 2000 without a stoppage of some sort, many are shooter induced. But a stoppage is a stoppage, still counts against the gun as far as this test goes.

The only other gun I have done it with was a Glock Gen 3 35, again with my reloads. She went all the way to 2200 before I stopped, even did about 500 with a light on it.

Always wanted to do it with a 1911, a lot of people want to add oil during the test but that is a no no canít add any during the test.

Iím one of those people that clean their guns after every range day, so itís a little tough for me at first. But Iím also a big time logger of my range and trianing days so itís fun for me to keep track of it.

Iíll do follow ups on this post from time to time as the rounds pile up.
If you use a good grease on a the rails you can make it to 2,000 with a 1911. I use only mobil 1 and got a few thousand rounds in each of my 1911s without failures. I would imagine the grease would have taken it a bit further.
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Does the magazine have to be loaded to the maximum each time or can you load half mags?
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i’ll get started on this challenge with my Pietta 1851
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Does the magazine have to be loaded to the maximum each time or can you load half mags?
Donít see why not, itís not mentioned in the rules of the testing. I imagine you could go with a single round in the mag if you wanted to, but that would be long and tedious.

But it would not be an accurate representation of how you use your gun, do you normally just shoot with a partially loaded magazine.

The overall goal is not to find a way for your gun to meet the challenge, but to learn any weaknesses your gun may have. If you already feel your gun will not do well with a full mag, youíve already identified a weakness.

I like the test because I rarely ever let a gun go beyond 400-500 rounds without a really good cleaning. So it allows me to see a aspect of a gun I never really see, how it runs when itís filthy and dry.
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I average about 2000 rounds a month through my Tanfoglio S2 pracitce gun every month. My comp gun gets another 250 to 300 a month. My wife averages 2000 rounds every 2 months. We've been doing that for quite a while. Reloading has been the pain in the AdamSamSam.

On a side note I haven't cleaned my practice gun this year and can't recall when I cleaned it last year. I know I cleaned it once last year. It still runs great and never misses a beat. Just a few drops of motor oil here and there every once in a while.
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Storm Vet: with W231 you have to have enough pressure for the powder to burn right.

Try 5.7 gr of W231 with a 230gr plated or powder coated bullet.

Mine wipes clean easily with a paper towel. If you want dirty, try Bullseye which was the goto powder for .45 ACP for 75 years.

You definitely had to clean your gun after use.

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I average about 2000 rounds a month through my Tanfoglio S2 pracitce gun every month. My comp gun gets another 250 to 300 a month. My wife averages 2000 rounds every 2 months. We've been doing that for quite a while. Reloading has been the pain in the AdamSamSam.

On a side note I haven't cleaned my practice gun this year and can't recall when I cleaned it last year. I know I cleaned it once last year. It still runs great and never misses a beat. Just a few drops of motor oil here and there every once in a while.
You sound like a great candidate for a mark 7 auto-loader unit!
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I remember how dirty bullseye was, I was never a big fan of it. Been using 231 for a long time. I use 5.5 g with 230, I’ll try bumping it up to 5.7 next time.
You know the culprit might be my 200 g loads I only run 5.8 in them, think I might go up to 6.1.
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2,000 rounds is not that many to go without cleaning and expect a gun to work. I've done this with both 1911s and at least three of the glocks I own. I suppose if anything, it would give you a lot of confidence in your gun. Especially if it's your EDC.

The only reason I'd hesitate to do that now is its so much harder to find good deals on ammo because you can't ship it.

Good luck you those doing it.
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You sound like a great candidate for a mark 7 auto-loader unit!
I have a 1050 with a Mr. Bullerfeeder.. I can easily pump out over 1000 an hour...The big time suck is cleaning and sorting brass. But I have thought about an autodrive.
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Just started one on my early 2016 production Colt M45A1. Currently only at 450 rounds fired, should get at least another 100 fired this week. So far no stoppages, malfunctions or breakage.

The gun had 1150 rounds fired when I started so she is good and broke in, did a good clean and lube before I started. Used M7 to clean and Rem oil for lube with a small amount of grease on the rials.

All the ammo I am using is my 230 and 200 gran plated reloads, W231 powder and CCI primers. I have just as much confidence in my reloads as I do with cheap factory trianing rounds, but will say the 231 can be a bit on the dirty side. After only the 450 rounds fired she is filthy, but have not noticed any sluggishness in the recoil. These Colts are built loose, shake it and itís like a rock in a tin can.

Should note that the stock dual recoil spring has been replaced with a Wilson flat recoil spring and short guide rode, the stock mainspring housing has been replaced with a Ed Brown MSH and magwel, these changes have over 600 rounds fired with them before the test. Everything else remains Colt stock.
Look at post #9 in the thread you linked
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Nice and one of the first in the original post about TGís test, very cool.
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I have a 1050 with a Mr. Bullerfeeder.. I can easily pump out over 1000 an hour...The big time suck is cleaning and sorting brass. But I have thought about an autodrive.
I have the same. I could go faster but I'm OCD about looking into the case after powder drop for fear of squibs, even though the Dillon powder dropper is pretty darn reliable.


Cleaning brass with a wet tumbler isn't bad. The way I sort now is to use the "gold panning" brass sorter with the .380 plate to ditch as many .380s as possible, but then when I have a container full of clean mostly 9mm, I use the plastic rack from a factory ammo box and pour brass into it, they tend to fall into the holes mouth upwards. Then I scan it for sneaky .380s and then looking into them to see the nefarious stepped brass, which gets extracted and seperated.

For .45, sorting out spp is a PITA.
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Up date. Put 100 more rounds though the Colt this morning, 200 grain plated round nose with 5.8 grains of W231. For a total of 550 rounds fired.

And my first stoppage, round number 511. On a fully loaded eight round mag(Wilson ETM)had a failure to chamber from slide release, a mag slap finished chambering the round and no more issue.

Seems to be cycling a little more sluggish but that could just be my mind saying this. Gonna try to find time to put a few more rounds down range with it tomorrow.
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Nice and one of the first in the original post about TG’s test, very cool.
I also got a pin for getting an "advanced" time on the F.A.S.T. drill. It's a shame we lost him, he was a great instructor.
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I wasn’t aware my normal shooting routine was a ę*challenge*Ľ. I get a new gun and shoot it till it absolutely requires cleaning. My HD guns stay clean. The rest get shot till they jam. Most guns these days are cheap and reliable so I don’t waste my time babying them.
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I also got a pin for getting an "advanced" time on the F.A.S.T. drill. It's a shame we lost him, he was a great instructor.
Congrats on earning a FAST pin, thatís a hell of an achievement.

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My daughter has a Rock Island Tactical 1911. It has 700 rounds without a cleaning and not a drop of oil. And hasn't had any issues. She wants to see how long it can go before it needs cleaning.
She didn't shoot the 700rnds non stop, she does a couple hundred at a time and then puts it away dirty. Months later repeats.
I know its not non stop shooting BUT when you put it away, the dirt seems to cake on even worse. I think she went about 300rnds in one session.
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But I definitely didnít think 1911s could go dry that long. I was under the impression that 1911s were finnicky that way...especially the tighter built ones. But I donít know.
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Update now at 770 rounds fired and had my second stoppage at round number 751. Just like the first stoppage that occurred at round number 511, it was a failure to chamber. Only this one was not from slidelock release it happened on round 2 of the magazine. But just like the first stoppage a mag slap send the round the rest of the way home.

A pic of the Colt along with the Glocks that were also shot that day.
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that FDE fam looks good
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Agree with this. I don't consider it a "challenge," any decent gun should work fine without cleaning for at least a few thousand rounds; if it doesn't I'd question owning it unless it was a family heirloom or a collector piece
Not picking on you in particular. I generally see lots of comments like this but yet much fewer who claim to have actually done it.

Everyone says they like owning 'shooters' while really only owning a bunch of safe queens with '200 rounds down pipe.' Just an observation
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Not picking on you in particular. I generally see lots of comments like this but yet much fewer who claim to have actually done it.

Everyone says they like owning 'shooters' while really only owning a bunch of safe queens with '200 rounds down pipe.' Just an observation
I agree, stoppages and failures happen. For many different reasons, I think most people just justify it for whatever reason ammo, grip, mag whatever and forget it even happened. My gen 3 Glock 23 had a FTF the other week, that gun is a runner it surprised me. Reloaded the round and sure enough it ftf again. The round was the cause, but still the gun had a stoppage.

If someone tills me they never have any stoppages, Iím thinking yeah you donít shoot enough.
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