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Old 08-12-2017, 1:12 AM
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Default Anyone else notice the rise in crap products looking to get rich off featureless ARs?

Seems like this time around, since 3D printers turn everyone into a production facility they're are a lot of ****ty products being marketed towards the featureless rifle market.

like the 3D printed fixed magazine quick loaders, 3d printed grip fins, 3d printed non-pistol grips they all sell on reddit,kickstarter

and people are actually paying these exorbitant prices for useless junk that most of the time doesn't actually meet the legal requirement. The people making and selling the junk don't really care if it's legal or not and just are after the one-time purchase of $70-150
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Old 08-12-2017, 5:28 AM
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Hate capitalism much?

It is the BUYERS responsibility to know the law. And the pricing is dictated by the market.

Relax and express your opinion with your wallet.


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Old 08-12-2017, 5:34 AM
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Yes
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Old 08-12-2017, 5:45 AM
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Nope, did not notice.
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Old 08-12-2017, 5:56 AM
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But it is through this process that we get great (functional) products & ideas for new workarounds !

But bottom line will be $ almost always.
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Old 08-12-2017, 5:58 AM
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Yea, however I commend folks who are trying to figure out how to maneuver through these new obstacles. Over pricing and gouging is one thing, but trying to provide options is great. One idea may morf into a perfect featureless setup, who knows.

The ones I feel for are company's like Exile. Pro 2A, Pro stick it to CA and even released the product to the public. I almost want to buy 4 more grips just to suppprt them. Never knock a person's desire to assist our community.

To the other, who are looking to simply profit or panic produce well you can just chupa!
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Old 08-12-2017, 6:03 AM
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I've noticed it since the introduction of the M16A4 and RAS.
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Old 08-12-2017, 6:04 AM
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No I usually wait for a product to be out for awhile and opinions posted before I buy it...I havent bought anything yet 3D printed and I have nothing against someone trying to make a product. Wish a lot of new products there will always be the not so good quality bunch. Wait for reviews and if the reviews suck move on to another product. So no it doesn't bother me at all
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Old 08-12-2017, 7:51 AM
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What product are you manufacturing that is more functional than existing products, superior in quality, and lower in price?

I got cash in hand, let's see it.
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Old 08-12-2017, 8:59 AM
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What? No, I don't know what you're talking about.
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I don't hate on people trying to make some money by helping Californians.
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Crap for the AR? You don't say....
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Old 08-12-2017, 9:48 PM
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Crap for the AR I can deal with. Crap about the crap - this is getting to be too much.
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Those strike industry grips are what, $9?

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Old 08-13-2017, 5:25 AM
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I'd rather give my money to innovative companies than to the state's registration scheme.
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haven't noticed.
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Old 08-13-2017, 6:07 AM
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It costs money to design, develop, and market products. Even 3D printed ones. Doing business in the gun industry in California exposes companies and individuals to vexatious lawsuits.

If a company or individual does not own their own production equipment (as we do), they have to turn to 3D printing bureaus which charge quite a bit for their services, so final product price can be high.

3D printing technology allows for designs to be prototyped and brought to market much more quickly and for less capital outlay than before. Material technology is advancing at such a rapid pace that it is quite possible to produce workable end product for sale. It's not just for prototyping any more.

No one's forcing you to buy. The free market rules.
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Your problem is browsing reddit for your components.

Shop the commercial section or marketplace here first and those few trusted sites 2nd.
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Those strike industry grips are what, $9?

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I dont know how good they are but they looked good to me and the reviews seem decent i might pick one up for one of my conversions.

Monsterman grips seem decent too.
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Old 08-13-2017, 9:37 AM
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Production and 3D printing shouldn't be used in the same sentence!!

Hey, if some idiot wants to pay that much for 3D printed junk parts, more power to them! 3D printed parts that are coming off the majority of printers are super weak and will fail immediately. Anyone with a nice 3D printer like an Objet by stratysis isn't going to be making parts to sell on calguns.
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Old 08-13-2017, 9:43 AM
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You hate capitalism, right? How dare these capitalist pigs leech off the backs of the workers. Proletariat Unite!
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Old 08-13-2017, 9:48 AM
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[ ] True
[x] False

We use a farm of $2500 Ultimaker 2+ printers with very minor in-house mods to produce our Backfin product. We have had very few returns for any reason.

We also manufacture and sell limited edition runs of Backfin product in an acrylic material printed on a Formlabs Form 2 SLA (UV laser/resin printer). Again the return percentage has been minimal.

If the manufacturer chooses the right printer technology, raw material, and uses both properly, there's no reason 3D printing can't be used for production. There are materials available on the market that would stand up to just about anything, if printed properly. Experience is also key.

3D printer service bureaus will use much higher dollar machines and more exotic materials, and are certainly fit for producing parts for production.

Now if you're going to put together a $300 chicom reprap knock-off kit in your garage and have a total of two days worth of 3D printing experience, yeah, your initial prints will probably break.
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Default Anyone else notice the rise in crap products looking to get rich off featureless ARs?

I think of you want to take the "cheap" way out you can get

1) stock lock $9
2) strike industries $15
3) barrel thread protector $10

People pay more $$ for stuff that they don't need (or that others perceive as excessive) ALL the time....

I would argue that there is a line between a company that is "looking to get rich" vs one that has actually done the legwork and set the price point where it's enough to fit the market as well as still put food on the table.

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Which ones for example?
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Old 08-14-2017, 12:03 AM
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No idea what you're talking about. I haven't seen anything on kickstarter and I don't use reddit for that purpose.
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I've only used two 3D printed products, the Exile Machine grip extension and this guy's Tavor grip:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1324501

and they've both been very good. The design is good & the material is robust.

I'm considering getting the Riflegear fin grip also, it seems to be a little grippier than the Strike version but at the same price.
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My favorite is the mmg. No doubt about it. I finally got rid of my hammerhead (sorry exile! I used it for a long time! I spent many hours carefully shaping it to fit my hand, however i wanted to go a different direction with the gun, and an mmg fit better!)

I even bought one of those limited run wood ak mmgs he put out a while back for like 100 bucks!

Some of us have been running featureless for a long time. I actually used to like a kydex grip fin the best. But i am stuck on the monsterman grips now. Feels so much better!

The backfin magpul backstrap replacement is a super slick design, if it werent for monsterman, that is probably what i would be sporting!
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