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Old 08-03-2017, 4:04 PM
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Any recommendations for a pellet rifle (.177). I have a serious gray squirrel problem on my property. Driving the dogs nuts. Thanks.....
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I can say without a doubt do not buy the Gamo Bone collector. I did and still cannot get it to group decent whatsoever. My old webley is ten times better.
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Check out http://www.airgunnation.com for all sorts of worthwhile info and links.

I'll personally recommend a Benjamin Marauder. Brilliantly accurate at 50 yards, even longer too. It's a PCP (pre-charged pneumatic) so it does require refilling from a larger bottle or pump after 45-75 shots (depending on caliber, larger takes more air). You CAN hand-pump it but that gets old quickly. Super quiet so no bothering the neighbors. Serious fun too. Benjamin is owned by Crossman.

Note that you can directly mail order this since it's NOT a firearm. No FFL required.
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Also, check out the CG airgun forum. Not as much traffic as General Guns but those nerds know their bb guns.
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I have a game big cat 1200 or something close to that name. It's not an awesome top line air rife , but it's minute of g'hog head at 25-30yds.
Secret is to use match pellets , they don't cost that much more and besides tightening the groups up ... it eliminates the flyers and you never know which pellet is going to be the flyer
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I watched a few of these Videos https://www.google.com/search?site=&...k1.Z6O5BvnGkL8 and you can get a lot of information without spending any money. One guy seemed to really be on top of it "Squirrel Hunter".
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Stoeger has a new suppressed one that I saw at Big 5. It was pretty damn impressive looking and felt good in the hand.
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CCI quiet .22 20-22" barrel for suppression. Be mindful of over penetration thank me later.
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These new pellet guns are seriously underrated. Many preppers are stockpiling way too much in .22lr instead of investing in a decent pellet gun.
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Bought myself a .177 Walther Terrus for Christmas last year and really like it.
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These new pellet guns are seriously underrated. Many preppers are stockpiling way too much in .22lr instead of investing in a decent pellet gun.
True but most cant take down a raccoon unless you spend some serious money or a well place head shot. Even a CCI quite can have a hard time with small game don't ask me how i know...
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Its been my experience the higher the velocity the more difficult it is to get a good group.

The only low cost pellet gun Ive found that really works is Chinese trainer model featured at gun shows.
These are single cock under barrel lever type.
BTW Im thinking you have whats called a ground squirrel problem not a gray squirrels.

As a side note the frontier cable people are over here every month because the squirrels are eating their transmission lines.
Squirrels in cities cause lots more problems than most people know.
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You could try one of these



275gr Pellet, 554fps= 187 ft/lbs
.50 Sam Yang Dragon Claw 500cc PCP Big Bore Air Rifle

Authoritative Knock-Down Power for Animals 131 to 200 lbs.
(Giant Armadillos, White Tail Deer, Wild Boars)



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Get a Benjamin regal piston from big 5. Get it in .22. Does the trick for squirrels. Quiet, accurate, and cheap. Upgrade to a Charlie da Tuna trigger and better glass and they're deadly accurate. May take a few tins of pellets to really quiet out.
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Pellet guns are fun, but for a large Squirrel problem get a cage. Squirrelenator I think it's called.

I do like my rws springer though.....
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Umarex Steel Force for the win. $119. Mod the auto sear inside for full auto operation. Holds 300 BB's. Spray 'um!
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For a cheap and accurate .177 pellet gun, I've always liked the Crosman 2100 Classic. You can also tailor the number of pumps according to how far the target is and what's beyond the target.
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I'll personally recommend a Benjamin Marauder. Brilliantly accurate at 50 yards, even longer too. It's a PCP (pre-charged pneumatic) so it does require refilling from a larger bottle or pump after 45-75 shots (depending on caliber, larger takes more air). You CAN hand-pump it but that gets old quickly. Super quiet so no bothering the neighbors. Serious fun too. Benjamin is owned by Crossman.
Marketing blurb on the site says:

"The choked and internally shrouded barrel provides both precision and ultra-hushed operation, producing the most accurate and quietest rifle in its class."

Presume that means the sound is moderated with a built-in suppressor?

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Yes, the moderator is made as part of the barrel, it cannot be removed.
I have the Benjamin Nitro Pistons in .177 and .22.
The moderator exit hole is the same on both and sized at .22.
The .22 version is quieter than the .177 as a result.

The .177 shoots faster and flatter than the .22.
The .22 bucks the wind much better.

BTW, these come with a CDT type trigger.
(I have used the CDT trigger in Gamo rifles).
All you have to do is reduce the trigger return spring pressure (it's lawyer heavy) to have a better trigger.

Crossman Premier pellets work great.
Do try them!
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This trap is $50

https://www.amazon.com/Rugged-Ranch-.../dp/B0046VJ8RU

That marauder is over a grand with fill tank & scope.
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CCI quiet .22 20-22" barrel for suppression. Be mindful of over penetration thank me later.
That was my go to setup for my squirrel and raccoon problem too. I personally used a CZ 452 Lux 24" barrel... it was quieter than my .22 pellet gun. If you want something quieter than that you can use a CZ 452 Ultra Lux with a 28" barrel.


Video of a 452 Ultra Lux with CCI Quiet. https://youtu.be/yUbbXIvY1zE?t=4m38s

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So where do you guys buy your pellet guns? Pyramydair, Airgundepot, etc...
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I can say without a doubt do not buy the Gamo Bone collector. I did and still cannot get it to group decent whatsoever. My old webley is ten times better.
This was my experience...until recently.

You have to learn how to hold a spring or gas spring air rifle. If you don't hold an air rifle correctly, they will shoot all over the place. It's not like a 22lr or something.

I have a gamo bone collector and a ruger Blackhawk, both in 177 and I learned to shoot them and now I can bullseye mice and rats with them. I set out my bait and when I see them, I'll pop the first one with the gamo then New York reload and take the next one with the ruger. Use my pellet pistol to finish any of them off.
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Here's a good supplier.

http://www.pyramydair.com/

For squirrels I wouldn't go smaller than .20/5mm. Personally I own a Sheridan Blue Streak and a Beeman R10. Killed many a squirrel with them.
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http://www.pyramydair.com/

For squirrels I wouldn't go smaller than .20/5mm. Personally I own a Sheridan Blue Streak and a Beeman R10. Killed many a squirrel with them.
I have the Blue Streak as well. One of my favorites of all
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Yes, the moderator is made as part of the barrel, it cannot be removed.
I have the Benjamin Nitro Pistons in .177 and .22.
The moderator exit hole is the same on both and sized at .22.
The .22 version is quieter than the .177 as a result.
I see the rifle isn't cheap, I guess good quality comes with a price.

Subjectively, how quiet would you say the .22 is? What common household noise would you compare it to?

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CCI quiet .22 20-22" barrel for suppression. Be mindful of over penetration thank me later.
I use the segmented HP version more often than I wish on G'hog's.
From a marlin 25 it isnt silent but it's quieter than my Gamo cause there is that THUNK noise.
Hit them in the eye out to 30ish yards.
Placed well , it works , placed poorly and the G'hogs soak it up just like they soak up all other poorly placed 22's.
One fella here mentioned a trap , I've used a harbor freight box trap and caught many squirrels on peanut butter and bird seed ...... they weren't my intended target though. Pull the trap at night or you end up with either a skunk or opossum.
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CCI quiet .22 20-22" barrel for suppression. Be mindful of over penetration thank me later.
My friend had a problem with rats in his back yard. Bought a nice pellet gun. He found that his .22 with CCI quiet ammo was quieter and more accurate than his pellet gun.

Depending on how much space you have, I have a .17 hmr for sale that will defenitely get them.
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I see the rifle isn't cheap, I guess good quality comes with a price.

Subjectively, how quiet would you say the .22 is? What common household noise would you compare it to?

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Wow, I did a quick check and see that most of the NPs are all sold out everywhere.
Big 5 used to have the standard model on sale for $160-175.

The NP is made in China, which normally is not so good but these seem to be made to decent quality standard.
They have a strong thick steel barrel which is not prone to bending from cocking like some of the other light weight barrel types.
They are much better made than the Turkish made Gamo Cat, Silent Cat, Whisper, etc.

The Gamo stocks and action need fitting work not only to shoot straight but to keep the action from chewing up the inside of the stock.
In particular the rear bolt / stock lug needs attention right away.

The NP is quieter than the Whisper, despite the Whisper having such a large moderator.
The nitro pistons (all brands) have much quieter actions than the spring powered guns as the NP does not make barely any noise.

The sound of the .22 NP after break in is like a manual staple gun.
If you did not know it was air gun, you might never guess.
The thwack of hiiting a wood backed target is louder than the gun.
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I put on a 1 pc scope mount and it has warmed up nicely. NP
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This was my experience...until recently.

You have to learn how to hold a spring or gas spring air rifle. If you don't hold an air rifle correctly, they will shoot all over the place. It's not like a 22lr or something.

I have a gamo bone collector and a ruger Blackhawk, both in 177 and I learned to shoot them and now I can bullseye mice and rats with them. I set out my bait and when I see them, I'll pop the first one with the gamo then New York reload and take the next one with the ruger. Use my pellet pistol to finish any of them off.
I agree with you 100% I have had a few different types of these rifles myself. I have an old webly & Scott my grandfather gave me that to this day is still the most accurate gun I've had. I've taken a couple turkeys with it with head shots when I was a kid. I'm still working the bone collector to see if it gets any better with some age.

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Grey squirrels game mammals and must be in season and you must have license. opens sept 12

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I had one made by this company back in the 1980s....quality was very good and so was accuracy....made in Germany......so, it not bargain priced. I have no idea what current pricing is like

https://www.feinwerkbau.de/en/Sporti...EW-Model-Sport

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The sound of the .22 NP after break in is like a manual staple gun.
If you did not know it was air gun, you might never guess.
The thwack of hiiting a wood backed target is louder than the gun.
Thank you, this is the type of feedback for which I was looking.

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Grey squirrels game mammals and must be in season and you must have license. opens sept 12
Thanks. I was aware of the reg's. I can shoot them right off my back deck.
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