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Hey do you happen to know the name of those law suits so that I could follow more closely? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1327859 DOJ's Response on Villanueva (cut and paste from PDF) Quote:
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Total bull **** reasoning, right out of their cover "letter" they published with the 2nd round of regs. It's so absurd as to be literally comical. Circular reasoning is an understatement, more like merry-go round reasoning.
"Removal of the bullet button would transform the weapon into a true quick—release weapon" Ah yes, a "a true quick release weapon". Did Feinstein write that? What in God's green earth is a a quick release weapon? Is that what goes with the thing that goes up? No where in the language of the law does any of this BS exist, and they will have to defend it at some point and it's going to backfire, as long as we don't get an activist political judge. Which we will, for sure.
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http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php Thank your neighbor and fellow gun owners for passing Prop 63. For that gun control is a winning legislative agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Dj8tdSC1A contact the governor https://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php In Memory of Spc Torres May 5th 2006 al-Hillah, Iraq. I will miss you my friend. NRA Life Member. |
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Quick release chainsaw bayonet?
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So a "true quick release" magazine as opposed to a "not very quick, but still too quick for my tastes release" magazine?
The one that's exactly like the other and just as evil and deadly, but also not at all like the other and unique to the point of defining what the weapon is? The feature that makes your registered assault weapon "super double assaulty" and somehow unregistered? The legislation made a bullet button LEGALLY THE SAME as a standard mag release. No amount of circular, blundering regulatory babble can change that law. |
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Until a state or federal judge says otherwise, the DOJ did exactly that.
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....and god help you if you have a "true quick release weapon"! |
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New regs released with new definitions. Looks like we will have a public comment period this time:
AW Regs Released 11/22/2017 |
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And, of course, their first one is 'fixed magazine applies to shotguns', when the legislature did not write the law that way.
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So they want you to register.. pay the fees.. be subjected to all the CRUSHING rules of having an AW .. AND.. you have to keep your bullet button? LOL
So now you don't have an AW.. you have a BBAW.. a whole new class of animal and it will keep that BB forever.. No thanks, everything I have is now featureless or mag locked.. F them.. and if they make featureless have to register I would still rather have a grip fin than a bullet button.. but that's just me. Besides, I would rather legally fight them every step of the way since they seem to have zero respect for the Constitution or anything else outside of their agenda. |
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Villanueva-v.-Becerra |
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removing the bullet button after registration creates an illegal weapon.. you're risking a LOT by rolling them dice. Last edited by Chevydriver; 11-22-2017 at 2:08 PM.. |
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"So he was advocating breaking the law and just hoping cops would be ignorant .. or are you advocating this?
removing the bullet button after registration creates an illegal weapon.. you're risking a LOT by rolling them dice." What law was he advocating breaking? Show me the pc that states removing a bb from a RAW is a new crime. Pro tip: regulations AREN'T law. |
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under 30'' for registered AW?
I just registered two rifles, ar and ak type.
Can I put a folding stock on my Wasr 10 with an overall length of less than 30''? Once I get my registration paperwork back of course. Has this been determined? I was hoping that in the future I could run my AK with a folder, and not some giant muzzle devise that looks horrible. This possibility was a major factor in me deciding to register my AK. |
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I am really having trouble figuring this out so if I could get some help it would be really appreciated.
Can a gun built from an 80% lower legally into AW config (prior to Jan 1, 17) that has full engravings but was not voluntarily registered as a rifle be registered as AW?
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http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php Thank your neighbor and fellow gun owners for passing Prop 63. For that gun control is a winning legislative agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Dj8tdSC1A contact the governor https://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php In Memory of Spc Torres May 5th 2006 al-Hillah, Iraq. I will miss you my friend. NRA Life Member. |
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Maybe, maybe not. The DoJ says changing the mag release makes your firearm a different firearm that isn't the one you registered. Yes, that makes no sense. That might be true of altering the stock. Nobody knows. The DoJ would likely say you manufactured a new unregistered AW. No clue where the old one went. The DoJ is that dishonest
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Sound silly? Really? This is the same group that considers a tan gun of the exact same model a different gun from the black one that is on the roster. They don't have to deal in logic since they make the rules. |
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1. Register AW, receive confirmation letter 2. Modify gun with other furniture or evil features 3. Attempt to re-register the same gun with altered features 4. Profit? I don't see any downside to doing this, you're still exempt from the possession laws during the reg period. Worst case, you lose 15 bucks on the 2nd attempt to reg. I highly doubt they will accept the 2nd registration attempt on the same gun. You could even submit the same gun in multiple configs on your first attempt. Just submit it as different setups on the same make/model/serial #, include pics and see what happens. Wouldn't even cost you another $15.
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Found the quote I was looking for..
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Ok.. we'll see lol
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OK, so we can leave the bullet button on and install a ambi mag release then right? |
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Ok so do these regs mean that now you can have a felony button (magnet on the BB) stuck on there at all times? It doesn't modify the BB device installed on the gun, and it's a RAW... doesn't change the gun's configuration at all. It's still a BBRAW.
Has this already been discussed? |
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That is how most FFLs are now selling AR type guns, with the mags locked. CA wants it to be confusing.. creates more criminals that way |
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Poorly written law is poorly written |
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Yes, CA likes to to confuse things as well as make new regulations unreasonable! |
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the real question, is how does this lunacy even stand any type of legal tests where one used actual cases to support .gov?
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Register with lower marked full auto ("<<<"). Anyone done it?
Having a hard time getting a meaningful answer to this, see http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...1#post20950758 |
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