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AB 809 (2011) Feuer - EFFECTIVE JAN 1 2014, register long guns
AB 809 passed. Read the text here: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/...chaptered.html
The effective date is Jan 1, 2014. NO, you will not have to register long guns you already own. YES, the DROS process will be changed so long gun information - make, model, serial number (if any) will be collected, and sent to CA-DOJ, and that information will be kept available. YES, intrafamilial long gun transfers are affected - there will be new or modified forms, and you will have to send them in with a fee when you transfer long guns among parent/child/grandchild. YES, if you move here in 2014 and later, you must report long guns within 60 days of bringing them into the state; there will be new or modified forms, and you will have to send them in with a fee. YES, out of state C&R long gun purchases are affected; starting in 2014 a C&R licensee must report out of state long gun purchases. There will be new or modified forms, and you will have to send them in with a fee. YES, in-state C&R long gun purchases are affected; (1) Starting in 2014, long guns 50 years old and older must be transferred through an FFL; the exemption that is in the law now, that allows FTF of these, is repealed in 2014. (2) Starting in 2014, a buyer who is a C&R licensee inside CA, with COE (Certificate of Eligibility), may buy guns without involving another FFL. The purchase must be reported; there will be new or modified forms, and you will have to send them in with a fee. ================================================= http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/po...B&author=feuer
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Every time I see one of these piece of crap proposed new laws, it makes we want to go buy another high powered something or another to calm me down.
Donation to CGF and CRPA on the way... .
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What are the odds of this passing? |
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Time to get that .50 DTC I've been thinking about.
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Being a CRPA member helps too
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If long gun registration failed last year, how can they propose it again?
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Easy. Pete
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However its failure last year - due to cost/overhead considerations - will likely carry over this year. You can be sure this is a Brady/LCAV bill given it's Feuer - they absolutely want to paper every gun they can. The good news: this costs a lot of money. And last time I checked we were broke, DOJ BoF is understaffed, and we have a very cheap-arsed governor.
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So, a bill defeated in June 2011 cannot be re-introduced verbatim in Jan 2012, but it could be in Jan 2013, and a version of it could be reintroduced in Jan 2012 if the writer found a different avenue to theoretically accomplish the same goal as the defeated bill.
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Interesting choice of words. You are not saying pro-gun governor (or what is gun-friendly?) any longer. Any insights for this change?
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I wouldn't read to much into that. Put it this way if JB was a total anti he would find the funds to make this law. What Bill said was this would not be high on the governors list of potential laws that would be worth funding. Beyond that, do the math. AKA "cheap arse"
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A progun action done with cover of budgetary restraint is still a progun action. A legislator who may not tout pro-gun sentiments but who puts in IP sole-source restrictions in the microstamping law has done something very pro-gun. It's not about flag-waving, it's about results.
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You know, sometimes words are just words.
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These bills are highly effective at increasing the number of weapons available. |
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Received the article below via NRA-ILA and called my local PD with questions. The watch commander said he (personally) flat out opposes such an intrusion into privacy and agrees it would not be effective. The only people with registered weapons will be those who obey the law. Though a large department, they don't even enter handgun regs into their CAD system and there's no way they'll do it for long guns. This pretty much eliminates any claims for improved officer safety when responding to domestic violence or other calls.
If such a system were in place I think it would increase the danger to civilians. If PD responds to a home with the knowledge that the occupant is "armed" the likelihood of a tragic mistake is quite great. Can someone point me to information that supports or debunks the claim that "1/3 of crime guns are long guns"? Read the full article Quote:
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CA doesn't break it out by handgun/long gun.
Feds (UCR, 2009) say Homicide victims: 6452 killed with handguns, 348 rifles, 418 shotguns. Even FBI doesn't break down other crime stats by firearm type.
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Thanks! So 12% are long guns but only of homicides not the more general "crime guns" the city councilman is using. Perhaps the stats they claim are for LA only.
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Easily! They just "propose" it again. And again. And again. Until it passes.
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AB 809 just passed the Assembly, so on to the Senate. No discussion on this bill as the Republicans had walked out of the Assembly a few bills prior to this, when a bill related to healthcare by Feuer came up and they couldn't stop it. (this is the official AB 809 thread, isn't it?)
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Edit...ignore my post. This was 'AB' not 'SB' 809. The assembly was on the floor earlier today, so they must have already voted on it I guess.
Anyone know the outcome? http://www.calchannel.com/channel/live/
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You do realize that your CGN "membership" is to help support the costs of opperating this forum, right? It has NOTHING to do with the CGF or their work. If you want to contribute towards the por 2A work that the CGF does, you need to make a donation dirrectly to them.
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Wow, my bad! I hadn't been keeping that close of an eye on this the last few days, and saw something that it was going to be on the assembly floor soon.
Guess I'll go back to watching this one instead of failing to contribute.
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And this thing is written such that it is supposed to fund itself (pipe dream city, right there); it wasn't even going to go Appropriations... looks like the Public Safety committee thought that it should and has referred it there in the course of passing (5-1).
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I have no problem with that.
If we had a few thousand more with that attitude, on both sides of the aisle, we wouldn't be in such deep doo-doo right now, as a state and as a nation. It's the ones who throw out bundles of cash to every dim-bulb idea or open hand that comes along, that cause the fiscal crises. (Look at the handwringing right now in Washington). |
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If it restricts the right of an honest citizen then oppose it and make sure your elected officials know it all the way up the line. Vote for this bill and guess who i vote against in the next election and then keep your word.
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... and those with a C&R license would no longer be able to mail order 50+ year old long guns from out of state vendors without using an FFL.
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Cant someone stop him from reintroducing the same stuff over and over again as non-cost effective? Such as, "hey bro, knock it off, its getting old'? Are they that hard headed? Wait, I know the answer to that one
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Same question.
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My understanding is that this would apply to new purchases only.
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