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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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The future.
Gov. Jerry Brown held the line for us and perhaps a few calls into his office to thank him are in order.
Of course the anti's did something we haven't been able to do ourselves, they got more gun owners to actually step up. This was a major setback for our opponents and we have sent a message across the country that California is a major battleground for gun rights and the anti rights folks just incurred some big loses. We need to expand on public outreach and one fun way to do that is to take people shooting. Since the panic buy has been cancelled, I think all of us should get if we don't already have one, a .22lr version of the AR15, preferably the ergonomic version o/w known as the M4 and a standard Ruger 10/22. When I get new shooters, I let them try both guns. After shooting both guns, the new shooters see that power wise the guns are the same, just different furniture. Of course it gives me a chance to "mockingly" talk about the "evil features" and other stupid comments from our opponents. If every gun owner here stepped up a few times per year, we could reach many folks and if we can shift the court of public opinion, the politicians will shift even in this state. Nicki |
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It's not a major setback for our opponents. Of the 18 anti-gun bills, Moonbeam vetoed 7. So we have 11 new anti-gun laws in Taxifornia. We are now all guilty of a variety of new crimes and misdemeanors, but we have no idea what they are.
Brown and his allies in the legislature have no respect for recent Supreme Court decisions which clearly affirm the meaning of the 2nd Amendment. Brown deserves no praise. He's a liberal socialist to the core. He is already being praised as an independent, fair minded Governor who should be re-elected. I disagree strongly.
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Who would you recommend in his place? Who is electable that would promote, rather than damage, our interests?
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Maybe work on voting out the Democrat majority, taking away their ability to pass anti 2a junk on to the Gov.? Sorry, I'm mainly an ignorant lurker, but this seems like the only viable way to stop this, and the other nonsense, that passed out of Sacramento this year. |
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Further, the question about who is "electable" is really complex and you know it. It has to do with funding, how effective a campaign is, whether good candidates destroy each other in primaries, whether the right person can survive Taxifornia's ridiculous open primary concept, whether women would support a particular candidate, how a candidate can overcome the public employee unions, whether the candidate violates politically correct speech, and those are only a few complexities. So, I'm not going to answer your question, and you'll now conclude that everyone should support Brown.
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I don't think it's likely that Newsom will run against Moonbeam. I don't think any Dem will run against Moonbeam.
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Amusing to say the least.
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-- I love the mythological significance given to Dum Dum Bullets. As if they're little tactical nukes, stacked up in "Assault Clips" ready to be "sprayfired" "from the hip" by pistol grip equipped "bullet hoses" instead of early variations of the softpoint bullets people have been using to take game with (and use for self-defense) for the last century. |
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How many bills does Jerry need to sign before you call him an anti? |
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-- I love the mythological significance given to Dum Dum Bullets. As if they're little tactical nukes, stacked up in "Assault Clips" ready to be "sprayfired" "from the hip" by pistol grip equipped "bullet hoses" instead of early variations of the softpoint bullets people have been using to take game with (and use for self-defense) for the last century. |
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You mistake what I was saying, not once in any thread on this forum have I said that Brown is a friend of 2A. I do say that there are much worse candidates who would have done FAR FAR worse then Brown. I did not vote for brown, nor Whitman. However if it truly came down to Brown vs Newsome or Villiregosa? I might acually have to vote D so the 2A bleeding is at least slowed somewhat while we are litigating things in CA
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-- I love the mythological significance given to Dum Dum Bullets. As if they're little tactical nukes, stacked up in "Assault Clips" ready to be "sprayfired" "from the hip" by pistol grip equipped "bullet hoses" instead of early variations of the softpoint bullets people have been using to take game with (and use for self-defense) for the last century. |
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Glad you're amused. Keep voting liberal.
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Where did I say I vote liberal? Keep being a small minded bigot.
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-- I love the mythological significance given to Dum Dum Bullets. As if they're little tactical nukes, stacked up in "Assault Clips" ready to be "sprayfired" "from the hip" by pistol grip equipped "bullet hoses" instead of early variations of the softpoint bullets people have been using to take game with (and use for self-defense) for the last century. |
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Voting Republican is the same "throwing" away of your vote as voting 3rd party in this state, so keep on with your bigoted delusion.
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-- I love the mythological significance given to Dum Dum Bullets. As if they're little tactical nukes, stacked up in "Assault Clips" ready to be "sprayfired" "from the hip" by pistol grip equipped "bullet hoses" instead of early variations of the softpoint bullets people have been using to take game with (and use for self-defense) for the last century. |
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n a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race In case you were wondering about the English language.
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-- I love the mythological significance given to Dum Dum Bullets. As if they're little tactical nukes, stacked up in "Assault Clips" ready to be "sprayfired" "from the hip" by pistol grip equipped "bullet hoses" instead of early variations of the softpoint bullets people have been using to take game with (and use for self-defense) for the last century. |
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Yeah, because a anti gay marriage, anti abortion Reep has a chance in hell of being elected here.......You think the Majority of People in California don't Vote for someone because they're not Conservative enough...........
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Yeah, I bet you'd Vote for Gun-Ban Dan Lungren and boast about it...........
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Men, the anti-gun movement, incl. certain politicians in Sacramento and D.C., has succeeded in turning us against each other, at least this time. Let's declare a truce among ourselves, lock arms, and fight this constant nibbling away of our freedoms together! We're all on the same side. United we stand, one nation under God.
They've also succeeded in getting us to lower our expectations, every time there's a "compromise". I say roll back the compromises, someday. And I freely acknowledge that it's damned hard to know how to vote in Taxifornia.
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I didn't know that amusing was a synonym for tragic.
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I am getting tired of all the people on here that would, one week ago, have given their left nut for a guarantee that 374 would be vetoed, moping around and saying we didn't win a damn thing, sending hate at brown, whining that we didn't get shall issue and a repeal of the NFA! How about AB-539 that was signed!? The way I read it, it allows a person who gets designated as a prohibited person (this usually happens as a result of a boilerplate TRO that goes along with filing for a divorce) to transfer their guns to an FFL for storage and continue to own them. That is a roll back it's not just holding the line.
Will the professional whiners and haters pleas just take a chill and let the normal people enjoy what clearly was a victory for a day or so.
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Take not lightly liberty To have it you must live it And like love, don't you see To keep it you must give it "I will talk with you no more. I will go now, and fight you." (Red Cloud) Last edited by Meplat; 10-13-2013 at 2:04 PM.. |
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Is that guarantee as good as the one all the big mouthed partisans on here were making about him signing it this year?
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Take not lightly liberty To have it you must live it And like love, don't you see To keep it you must give it "I will talk with you no more. I will go now, and fight you." (Red Cloud) |
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I find it interesting, though a bit sad, that by not losing more of our rights, we're to the point in this state we call it a win. A win would have been a repeal of the 2000 AWB, or a bill to make all counties Shall Issue. While I'm pleased with the outcome on the 7 vetoes, we just avoided losing, we didn't win...
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If he makes it to the ballot, he will get my vote.
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-- I love the mythological significance given to Dum Dum Bullets. As if they're little tactical nukes, stacked up in "Assault Clips" ready to be "sprayfired" "from the hip" by pistol grip equipped "bullet hoses" instead of early variations of the softpoint bullets people have been using to take game with (and use for self-defense) for the last century. |
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Saying you support illegals getting driver license, the Dream Act, and Amnesty gets you more votes than saying you support 2A. |
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^^^^^ We have the power to rise
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CPRA org “Silence makes cowards out of the best of men” –Abraham Lincoln 🇺🇸 ⚔️ 🦅 Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we shouldn’t be in such a hurry to surrender our Right to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we have no way to defend ourselves and our families. |
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Ditto.
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Well put. Although to be fair he signed gun control too. But I see your point.
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power to rise?? we only sent 65,000 letters of opposition to brown not +650,000 or +6,000,000 we are lucky he noticed..
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Some people are so ignorant that if Brown had signed a bill to eliminate the roster they'd be claiming he signed an anti-gun bill. The presence of the word 'firearm' in a bill does not magically make the bill anti-gun.
AB-538, AB-539 and SB-127 were among the bills Brown signed. These bills are not in any way anti-gun, yet they're being counted as anti-gun by people who clearly cannot read/comprehend English. Yes, he did sign some anti-gun bills. The final count of those bills, however, is not 11. Also, anti-gun bills are not created equal. AB-180 and SB-475, which Brown vetoed, would have been the beginning of the end for state preemption. Had these been signed, soon enough every large city in the state would want in on the action with their own local anti-gun laws. The significance of the SB-374, AB-180 and SB-475 vetos alone cannot be overstated. This was a huge loss not just for the anti-gun forces in this state but also those nationally who were hoping CA would raise the gun control bar. Last edited by x90; 10-13-2013 at 5:16 PM.. |
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2A supporters in California a FRINGE group. 65,000 is a whimper. Brown did not hear your pleas nor does he care about your thank you letters. On a singular issue, I've never seen a group so "all over the place." It's funny and sad at the same time. |
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Take not lightly liberty To have it you must live it And like love, don't you see To keep it you must give it "I will talk with you no more. I will go now, and fight you." (Red Cloud) |
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