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Old 06-09-2017, 12:32 PM
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R.I.P. to the Riverside Chapter. Ever since SP and Deliverance went away so did this section. Is everyone finding new hobbies or is shooting just talking a backseat now?
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Apathy killed this chapter.

I've always felt that the only reason the Riverside Chapter had traffic at all was because of the lost souls searching the web for free locations to shoot and then stumbling across calguns and the SP thread.

Just look at the ungodly number of views that thread had.

Most people who ended up at SP were not and probably would never become enthusiasts with any interest in preserving our shooting spots or willing to invest the time in becoming productive members of the shooting community.

Don't get me wrong, there were many enthusiasts who frequented SP, but we definitely didn't constitute the majority.

Someone step up and suggest a get together at Riverside Magnum Range or RISR and I'll show up.
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Since 2002, all the ranges I go to are not in Riverside
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Since 2002, all the ranges I go to are not in Riverside
Are you aware that RISR is fairly new, has two separate, enclosed 10 lane ranges plus an archery range. It is actually a nice facility and altho I haven't been there for a couple of years we used to have shoots there often. Just thought I'd provide that info in case you weren't aware of it.
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I think the new laws are discouraging everyone, I often check this section.
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Waiting for someone like you to take the lead and revive it.
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I used to shoot at Steele Peak before it got popular and stopped once I got a membership to a club.

I still shoot plenty, mostly at competitions, but not in Riverside County.
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Whom are you referring to. I realize it's not me, but I have no idea who you mean. Thanks.
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I'm guessing it was a general request for anyone watching this thread who may be inclined to motivate and organize viewers into an active gathering.

I severely lack that kind of charisma and likability.
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I don't lack it, but being a mod and organizing/coordinating booths at two Rod Runs (I began/organized our booth at Raahauge's Sports Fair for about 9 years but no more) is enough at this point. I'm recuperating from surgery #18 anyway, so no shooting or even driving for awhile.

I'm hoping to be well enough to go to the Zombie Shoot. I'll be recovered from this one completely, but a probable knee replacement might interfere with that. I hope not as I would be taking 2 of my grandsons and they are really looking forward to that.

Hopefully someone will step up. If someone is interested they should contact pennys dad in case the position becomes available.
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I don't lack it, but being a mod and organizing/coordinating booths at two Rod Runs (I began/organized our booth at Raahauge's Sports Fair for about 9 years but no more) is enough at this point. I'm recuperating from surgery #18 anyway, so no shooting or even driving for awhile.
In all honesty, I don't lack it either, but those traits are wired to a switch I prefer to keep in the OFF position.

Eighteen surgeries? Sir, with all due respect, you need to find a new hobby.

I prefer to limit my encounters with the surgery room to as few as I can.
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Do you'all think its worth looking for a new chapter team?
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I know that purer00r was an active and motivating ambassador for the Riverside chapter. He organized several shoots at RMR.

I don't know if he ever lived in Riverside, but I'm pretty sure he works at RMR in Rancho. Can't really blame him for having a life, especially if he's commuting to Riverside for events and having low/inconsistent attendance. BTW, I'm guilty of not showing up for hardly any. I'm not a fan of indoor ranges, but I still go a few times a year.
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In all honesty, I don't lack it either, but those traits are wired to a switch I prefer to keep in the OFF position.

Eighteen surgeries? Sir, with all due respect, you need to find a new hobby.

I prefer to limit my encounters with the surgery room to as few as I can.
My wife has had 28. She only had one when I met her and that was a Caesarean. She blames me for the others since they all have occurred since knowing me. With the exception of two more Caesareans, most are orthopedic in nature. 8 of mine are work related from le, which is atypical for most of the deputies on the dept. I believe.

BTW, I have the same preference as you when it comes to surgery, unfortunately, life had another idea.


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Sorry I havent had the chance to set things up like I was in the past, my schedule and other things have prohibited me from doing so. Low attendance was a major factor, I dont have weekends off or even Fridays....so those days are a bust for me. What we can do is combine the SB and Riverside again and make the SB monthly shoot even better. Might not be ideal for all but it is a suggestion, SB monthly's have been decent but could always use more. If we do, then we could reach out to more than just Riverside CG members. Last month they had a couple that were from Camarillo... LMK if any would be interested in that idea?
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I went to a few some years ago prior to there being a Riverside group and by the time I got home it was 1am. I got tired of that quickly. Yes, I didn't have to stay and go out to Applebees to eat, but I was joining in with the camaraderie.

Ideally I would like to see one in the Riverside area. There are a number of members who live in the Southwest area like Winchester, Murrieta, Wildomar, Temecula. I believe it's worth another shot.

I also think it's worth checking out Riverside Indoor Shooting Range. It was selected the last time I believe because an enclosed, private area was able to be reserved just for Calguns shooters. Riverside Magnum doesn't offer that unfortunately and IIRC, the range was open to the public during the shoot also.

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Apathy killed this chapter.

I've always felt that the only reason the Riverside Chapter had traffic at all was because of the lost souls searching the web for free locations to shoot and then stumbling across calguns and the SP thread.

Just look at the ungodly number of views that thread had.

Most people who ended up at SP were not and probably would never become enthusiasts with any interest in preserving our shooting spots or willing to invest the time in becoming productive members of the shooting community.


Someone step up and suggest a get together at Riverside Magnum Range or RISR and I'll show up.

You know ,,The word Apathy hits hard to a Lot of us

At the last Bee Canyon Clean-Up ......I had a total of 27 ' Volunteers ' that gave up their own free time to come out in the hot sun to help clean 4 canyons in one day

They Cared

How about All ... the people that showed up at S.P. clean-ups and Filled a dumpster by 10:00 am
And we had numerous clean-Ups // They cared

Granted you are correct a percentage of the 'People' that found S.P.
were only there to Shoot stuff and leave
But a Lot of good people tried to keep that place open

Now that Fire season is upon us Bee canyon and other spots are closed for the summer ..
I know it's summer and too hot for some people out there

What happened to the Get-Togethers at Lyte Creek ?
There are still shoots at WEGC.... Been to one there . Had a good time
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There are still shoots at WEGC.... Been to one there . Had a good time
I posted about why we do not hold official Calguns events at the Lytle Creek Firing Line Range in Feb. of 2012. It is a long post, but as I stated at the time, it was important enough to justify the small book that I wrote. I will paste it here.

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The following is long, but I believe necessary and important for dissemination.

Some of you may recall there was supposed to be an Calguns Shoot 'N Que at the above range on April 3, 2011. A thread was begun by pennys dad, the C3 Regional leader for Southern Calif.

Having worked with the manager of the range for the last three similar shoots there in 2009 and 2010, I was asked to contact the manager again to set things up. I had, by then, a good relationship with the manager and he liked having us there the prior times, so it was an easy matter to do so.

As the date approached, members who had gone to shoot either individually or with others the last few months prior to the event date, posted in the thread they had been told any standard capacity magazines (10+rounds) would not be permitted at the range. In fact, some members were told they would have to leaven due to possessing those magazines. It did not matter whether or not the magazines were preban magazines (obtained prior to Jan. 1, 2000. Some members even reported they were told by some range staff members possession of of those 10+ magazines was an felony.

I contacted the manager a few days prior to the planned Shoot 'N Que and was advised this rule had been promulgated by the Forest Ranger for the Lytle Creek area, which included the range. The range land is owned by the U.S. Forest Service and the range is leased by the company running the range. The manager advised me if they didn't enforce the rules, they could lose their lease and be shut down.

It was decided to cancel the shoot since it couldn't be determined if all of the members who planned on going knew of this fairly new rule. We didn't want anyone to be told they had to leave because they possessed SC magazines.

Although I do not recall who the member was and it is really not important, I recalled reading a post that this information had been passed on to the Calguns Foundation and they were looking into this matter.

I contacted a member of the CGF about a month or two later to ascertain how the investigation was going. I was told to contact another member as the one I had contacted, wasn't aware of any investigation. I contacted the one suggested and was told it would be looked into. I supplied the names, addresses and phone numbers of the local Forest Ranger, the Supervisor for the San Bernardino National Forest, within which Lytle Creek falls and the State Commander for Law Enforcement for the U.S. Forest Service in California.

Some months later, I checked again with this member and was asked to contact Mr. Jason Davis, an expert firearms attorney who has done some work with and for the CGF. I did so and passed on the same information on the Forest Service employees to Mr. Davis.

Mr. Davis was generous enough to take the time out of his busy schedule and business, to advise me he would look into the matter.

Mr. Davis contacted me on November 23, 2011, to advise me that Captain Davis (no relation), the Law Enforcement Supervisor for the San Bernardino Forest Service had stated the policy of prohibiting magazines that held more than 10 rounds, pre ban or not, was not instituted by the Forest Service.

Captain Davis stated the policy was one begun by the Lytle Creek Firing Line. He did not know if it was the manager of the range or the Board that owns the Lytle Creek Firing Line, that had promulgated that rule, but it came from the range staff.

Beginning shortly after the November 23, email that I received from attorney Mr. Davis, I attempted to contact the manager of the range on a few occasions on his personal cell phone number. He had provided me this number while organizing the first shoot in 2009. Up to this time, we had always had what I would say, was an excellent rapport.

The manager did not respond to my first couple of messages that I left on his voice mail. They were simply messages to contact me; I did not go into detail as to why I wished to speak with him. When I received no response from him, I called again, explaining the subject matter of why I wished to speak with him. Although he had always returned my calls either the day of the call or within a few days, I have yet to receive a call from him to this date. I was also unable to contact him at the range, receiving either a recording or once, told he was not at the range that particular day.

Bottom line, at this time the Range staff will evidently continue to enforce the prohibition of any standard capacity magazines.

Initially, when the manager first advised me this rule was from the FS, I told him that this would not keep us from having an event there in the future; we would just publish the standard magazine prohibition in the OP. Pennys dad agreed. Now that it obvious we were given false information, I do not know if that is true. That will be up to pennys dad and the other C3 leaders, along with Kestryll, the owner of the site as to whether to continue holding official Calgun shoots at the range.

It is, of course each member's individual decision as to whether they will continue to shoot at The Lytle Creek Firing Line. I have shot there for about eleven years, but I will have to think long and hard about it.

To say that I'm displeased with not only the lack of a response from the manager to my calls, but also to the incorrect information provided by him to me and by his staff to Calgun members going to the range, is an understatement.

To give the manager the benefit of the doubt, he may have been told by his Board Members/Employers, not to respond to my calls, but I of course, have no way to ascertain that. That does not negate providing me with the incorrect information as to whose rule this was prohibiting the standard capacity magazines when I first spoke with him on the matter in April.

Again, I thank Mr. Jason Davis, attorney at law, for taking the time from his busy practice to investigate this matter and advise me by email of his findings.
As an addendum, IIRC, I did finally speak with the mgr. some time after my post. He admitted he had been ordered by the board not to speak with me. He took that to mean if he did, he would be fired. I can't blame him for his actions knowing this even tho he hasn't worked there for years.
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You know ,,The word Apathy hits hard to a Lot of us

At the last Bee Canyon Clean-Up ......I had a total of 27 ' Volunteers ' that gave up their own free time to come out in the hot sun to help clean 4 canyons in one day

They Cared

How about All ... the people that showed up at S.P. clean-ups and Filled a dumpster by 10:00 am
And we had numerous clean-Ups // They cared

Granted you are correct a percentage of the 'People' that found S.P.
were only there to Shoot stuff and leave
But a Lot of good people tried to keep that place open

Now that Fire season is upon us Bee canyon and other spots are closed for the summer ..
I know it's summer and too hot for some people out there

What happened to the Get-Togethers at Lyte Creek ?
There are still shoots at WEGC.... Been to one there . Had a good time
I'm not referring to organized "clean up" efforts though.

By stating that apathy killed this chapter, what I mean is that there is an underwhelming contingency of "enthusiasts" currently attending events or even going shooting regularly anymore and posting about it in the Riverside chapter.

As far as what closed SP, my opinion is that the city of Lake Elsinore having zoned that area for development made enforcing ordinance 514 necessary. That was the final nail in the coffin.

As an individual who does care, I'm glad to hear of the great work that you and the volunteers who gave of their time accomplished at Bee Canyon.

Every time I shoot on public land I make it a point to haul out more than I bring. Every time I become more and more cynical too. But I realize that someone has to put in the effort to give all the lazy azzhats a clean place to shoot. Obviously you feel the same way.

Well, to be honest, I haven't always completely cleaned my area of other peoples trash. On a couple of occasions, despite letting others know I was going downrange to haul some items out, I chose to leave it because they had decided to start shooting again.

My skin is pretty thick, but not impenetrable. I like all my insides intact and in their current position.
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I posted about why we do not hold official Calguns events at the Lytle Creek Firing Line Range in Feb. of 2012. It is a long post, but as I stated at the time, it was important enough to justify the small book that I wrote. I will paste it here.



As an addendum, IIRC, I did finally speak with the mgr. some time after my post. He admitted he had been ordered by the board not to speak with me. He took that to mean if he did, he would be fired. I can't blame him for his actions knowing this even tho he hasn't worked there for years.
My last visit to LC was in August of '13. At that time the 10+ magazine capacity restriction was still in place and strictly enforced.

I was ordered, not asked, to remove a RAW from the line when an RO noticed the absence of a bullet button during a cold time/line inspection.

Regarding use of magazines, RAW paperwork in possession makes no difference. It was explained to me that if a ranger noticed a high cap mag he could shut down the entire line to investigate, and range management does not want to inconvenience other paying customers.

I haven't returned, so if their rules have changed, I am not aware.
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Apathy killed this chapter.

I've always felt that the only reason the Riverside Chapter had traffic at all was because of the lost souls searching the web for free locations to shoot and then stumbling across calguns and the SP thread.

Just look at the ungodly number of views that thread had.

Most people who ended up at SP were not and probably would never become enthusiasts with any interest in preserving our shooting spots or willing to invest the time in becoming productive members of the shooting community.

Don't get me wrong, there were many enthusiasts who frequented SP, but we definitely didn't constitute the majority.

Someone step up and suggest a get together at Riverside Magnum Range or RISR and I'll show up.
Well I for one do not know the meaning of the word "apathy". (mainly because I have not bothered to look it up) but I can tell you what I do know.

There are a LOT of Riverside Calgunners that do not even know that this forum or some of these shoots exist.

How do I know? Because ONCE I set it upon myself to rally some folks and I went to the members section and searched EVERYONE in riverside and then just started sending out a PM to them all telling them that there was a shoot coming up and I think that out of about 35 folks, I found most had no idea of the shoot, but "had plans already" for a 3-4 day notice about the shooting event, then, I had I think a total of about 5-6 that said they would show up, AND out of those five or so, I think 3-4 showed up, but the others that did not also mentioned that they would be iffy.

But EVERYONE that I spoke to did not know that Riverside even had a shoot or even a thread on a CG meetup.

Now, I think you put in a few CG celebs like FP and some of the folks that get banned a lot (leaving myself out of this group thank you) and add in some interesting guns or uniques and it motivates folks because of the curiosity factor.

People like to compete. Hey I bet you can't outshoot me... Oh that will bring some folks out (not everyone though).

But the point is, you can not just show up and expect folks to come HERE and read and come to the event. You need to ORGANIZE it. Get a date started, promote it. Get about 10 folks or so on the list that want to show up and then you see how it goes.

I aint suggesting we invite Mr Fighter Pilot since he does his thing in the Arcadia Tuesday night shoot, but RMR is a great place, and I would consider RISR if they were bigger or housed more folks but I am a die hard RMR fan due to the reason WHY RISR is even here. (and let's face it, it started up as an act of hate...) RISR has some decent folks working there and I have heard positive things about them, but what else do they offer besides a place to shoot? Do they have a small room or two or whatever for the group to meet in?

They allow .308 don't they? So then I can bring my PTR-91 I bet... Nice. Oh wait, I need ammos for it. Nevermind, scratch that.

But my point is that THIS is the new world. It is social media and glorify everything friendly. Change or get burned. Curtis was doing a good job running the Riverside meet and I will stand by him for doing that, but he heads up the Rancho one now I think. But my point is (if I can stop these damn tangents) that there are various methods that need to be employed to bring a good mix of folks out. Some will stick, some will need prodding a bit more. Mix in some other things- Maybe a killer Raffle prize or two and you have the beginnings of a decent starting group.

Are there funds to dip into somewhere? Hey if folks get wind that there is an RMR to be had for the best 10 shot group at RMR then you can BET they will be showing up. Hell, the opportunity to get a RMR retail for free would certainly make me call in sick to work. (No really, it really would.) or even a few cool shooting things. Put together a shooting/cleaning kit for $25-50. and offer it as a prize. Noobies would LOVE that.

And as for Steal Peak. Yeah, well. I tell yas what. Mr Eat Dirt and ChknLyps (damn did I get the spelling right) run a great range cleanup. Basic gets it done and to the point. I drove over an hour each way for them several times for Bee Canyon. They made me feel welcome and are sincere. I turned my back on the last Riverside SP cleanup that I saw because it turned into a goddamn circus. There was talks of drones, filming, portapotties, wash stations, 80 food dishes, pop ups, music, I swear it turned into some sort of Italian Shooting Man and at one point I was like- **** it I am OUT! If THIS is what shooting has become out here, I want nothing more to do. I watched it evolve into 80 people showing up for everything else, but oh yeah we will clean some stuff too. - Now to be fair I think it MIGHT have been a decent turn out, but when it comes to cleanups, I am not one for a huge production. I am a 3 AM kick in your door and get it done kinda guy. Bring in all of this non shooting crap and it makes me sick.

So yeah, know your audience. Did I hit my 10k word limit yet? No? Good. I forgot what the hell am I doing in here?

Oh yeah. Some folks expect us to embrace EVERYONE with a gun. I aint gonna knock Kestryll for that because he wants to grow this stuff. I am more pissy and clearly an elitest snob. When I am at Turner's watching all of these people come in to buy guns before they are banned, I can not help but have nothing but contempt for them. They are not here to help our cause, they are here to get their own and turn them for a profit later on or get out. I am selective about who I care to associate with even. I am all for bringing new shooters to the sport, but I want them to approach it with respect and reverity and understand the fight we are in before I sign off on them. Peeps that do not know one thing about guns or safety? Well, not for me. I know they gotta start somewhere though, but not with me. Well, maybe. I dunno. I know though that Kestryll has had issues with me in the past as as long as I run around and say some of the things I say and keep giving him heartburn, he will continue to have issues with me. But the thing is too that I can not go all crazy and rally folks without pissing off some peeps around here. I actually had a decent e-mail conversation with Kes and told him I would chill a bit and that lasted for about a year, but If you could get him to show up at an event or two- THAT would bring a lot of folks out I bet to see him. The problem is getting him to drive 2.5 hours or whatever it is from where he lives out in B.F.R... It is always nice to shoot with some of the top guys though. Get a few mods coming down oh yeah, I would LOVE to shoot against some mods. :D

As for Steeleeae Peakee - I NEVER will tell anyone else where I go and shoot when they ask. I think a LOT of folks DID use Steael Peeke as a tissue that they blew their nose in (or worse) and then tossed aside and did not give a damn about it. Now look what we got to show for it. All because we embraced everyone. Not everyone who flocks here is worthy of respect. Many don't seem to give a **** at all about CG or even the sacred places that we shoot at. Tell nobody the locations online and make them show up to an event to clean and learn a little before they come to shoot. Maybe that is a better way to bring in folks for keeps.

I tell ya it is the little things...

What were we talking about again?

Oh yeah, MAKE SHOOTING GREAT AGAIN!

So pluck those few diamonds in the rough that I have hidden within my text and I think they could be useful at building this all up. I apologize for my DUI style of typing. I aint no Steven Hawking Hemingway but Give me enough words and I will get my point across.

Plan a Riverside Event and I will do my best to show up, Wednesdays and Thursdays are my best times, but I can work on Saturday or Sunday too...

Okay I am sorry, stay safe and clean and do NOT do drugs before posting...

Last edited by stilly; 09-02-2017 at 2:00 AM..
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