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Old 03-13-2019, 8:18 PM
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Default SAvage 110 not releasing the round, please help

So I got a Savage 110 hunter with the new accufit stock just recently. Finally got a chance to take it out and shoot it for the first time and experienced some thing I've never come across before, especially with a new rifle;

The bolt would stick after the round was fired and I would have to really yank on the bolt handle to get the cartridge to extract. I tried federal and hornady both having the same issue.

The round will chamber and release very smoothly with a live round but once the round is fired it is like the neck of the cartridge expands and wont release. I had to really yank on the bolt handle to get the round to eject.

Needless to say I am not very happy with this experience and want to have a smooth action. Is there something I am missing? Should I reach out to Savage about it?
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What does the case head and primer look like on the fired rounds?
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What does the case head and primer look like on the fired rounds?
Primer looked spotless, all brass. Case head was dark with Carbon like a usual spent case, nothing stood out. I kept the casing just in case, and because I would like to reload it some point when I get my single stage press up and running.
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Also, Might I add that I didn't just have to "Yank" on the bolt I had to actually push the bolt forward and then pull it back to create momentum before it finally broke free, I am a 210lb construction worker so I hope that clarifies the situation a little better.
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Edit: I sent the same OP to Savage hoping for some answers.. I'll keep thread updated.
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Man, Savages tend to shoot well, but dang, so many seem to have extraction issues with something they are doing/not doing to their chambers.


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Man, Savages tend to shoot well, but dang, so many seem to have extraction issues with something they are doing/not doing to their chambers.
It's actually a clearance problem.
They don't have good primary extraction because the bolt has so many parts and so much slop between the parts that almost no primary extraction remains when all the slop is taken up while trying to extract.

The gun would probably get much better if you welded all the bolt parts together, like almost every other bolt gun.

The solution to the clunky savage extraction problem is to replace the rifle with something that's built on the 700 design.
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It's actually a clearance problem.
They don't have good primary extraction because the bolt has so many parts and so much slop between the parts that almost no primary extraction remains when all the slop is taken up while trying to extract.

The gun would probably get much better if you welded all the bolt parts together, like almost every other bolt gun.

The solution to the clunky savage extraction problem is to replace the rifle with something that's built on the 700 design.

Well I'm not going to scrap a brand new rifle, im hoping for at least a warrantied bolt if that's the case
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OP, post pics of the brass, particularly the case head and primer.
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OP, post pics of the brass, particularly the case head and primer.
I have the brass so I'll post it tmrw when I have time
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Well I'm not going to scrap a brand new rifle, im hoping for at least a warrantied bolt if that's the case
The bolt is probably completely how they intended it to be.
The problem is that the design tolerances allow too much movement within the design and the design is not optimized to allow for all the movement.
So your bolt is working exactly as designed.
It just does not work as good as other rifles with one piece bolts work.
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He's a known Savage hater, so that response was predictable.
I'm not a savage hater.
I am a hater of inferior designs and manufacturing practices.
If you will consent that most savages made after the 60's or thereabouts are of inferior design and manufacturing quality, perhaps that makes me a post 60's savage hater.
I love my 50's savages and I even own some post 2000 savages so I have direct experience with these things.
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Coming from a known hater of Remington and all the customs thats a badge of honour.

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Post a picture of the entire piece of brass as well. A rough chamber will cause the same problem.
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Could be dirty chamber that wasnt cleaned off or residue. I've had this happen to my model 10 with my first 5 rounds where I didnt clean the chamber enough to remove whatever machining residue left behind. Does the brass have any deep scratches after fired? Does the fired brass chamber smoothly?
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Factory ammo, or reloads?

Had a similar situation using commercially supplied once-fired brass that hadn't been sized correctly (yeah, I should have checked, but didn't.)
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Post a picture of the entire piece of brass as well. A rough chamber will cause the same problem.
I'm not a Remington hater, I'm a Remington disliker. I certainly don't hate the customs, they mostly fix the weaknesses of the Remington design, although I'm still not a fan of tube action bodies. And I certainly would not have bought a custom action if I hated them.
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I have a Savage 111TH and a Rem700, both purchased... 2-3 years ago?

Both were fairly bottom-of-the-product-line rifles, $500-$600 with a scope, taxes, dros, etc.

The bolt throw, in both directions, on the Savage is much smoother. It recocks more smoothly, primary extraction feels better. (Sample set of 1...)

I suspect, when the bolt is operating within spec, it's a better design, but when the (as Randall says) tolerances stack in the wrong direction, it causes issues...

naturally, if the bolt is working correctly, nobody is going to bring it to a gunsmith.
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Iíve been around a few 338s, Savages as I said shoot, but the extraction is an issue known not just to guys shooting hot loads ELR, but all over.

I think it is two parts, at least on the one I had. The extractor is silly paired with the slop in the bolt (as mended by AR15)... and a rough chamber as Lynn mentioned. Sharp shooter has parts that help, but if the chamber is not good.. oh well.

I could take the same load in Lapua brass and it work semi-ok.. Hornady and I need a hammer and a cleaning rod.

Same loads worked great in my custom chambered 338s as well as a Remington department issued stock gun.. just not the Savage.. mine had both issues.. After doing a bit of research, I was not alone. Worked fine on factory fresh brass and medium charges.. but thatís not what I shot.

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I'm not a Remington hater, I'm a Remington disliker. I certainly don't hate the customs, they mostly fix the weaknesses of the Remington design, although I'm still not a fan of tube action bodies. And I certainly would not have bought a custom action if I hated them.
So let's see if I have this straight.
Savage is good but Remington you dislike because of all the weaknesses.
Savage doesn't have weaknesses.
You don't like tube action bodies but you like Savages and dislike Remington's.
You bought a custom that doesn't have all the weaknesses of a Remington and it's not a tube action body.
Do I have that right?
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So let's see if I have this straight.
Savage is good but Remington you dislike because of all the weaknesses.
Savage doesn't have weaknesses.
You don't like tube action bodies but you like Savages and dislike Remington's.
You bought a custom that doesn't have all the weaknesses of a Remington and it's not a tube action body.
Do I have that right?
Savage has been using round receivers with recoil lug sandwiched between it and the barrel since 1920, think Remington didn't start doing that until after WWII sometime.
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My Savage 110 7mm Rem mag has a piece on the back of the bolt that starts the bolt reward when you lift the bolt handle, looks like that is what it does anyway. It has never had a stuck hard to extract case, but it was made in the late 80s.
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Savage has been using round receivers with recoil lug sandwiched between it and the barrel since 1920, think Remington didn't start doing that until after WWII sometime.
Exactly my point!!!
Are those weaknesses?
I see most of the customs as Remington clones so those weaknesses mustn't be to weak?
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All manufactures have "lemons" I'm afraid OP has one. 6-7 yrs ago I bought a Savage Axis II w/ AccuTrigger w/ scope pkg for $400 and that cheapo rifle has been flawless; ZERO extraction issues.

I have since started reloading and progressed into Tika & Howa rifles based on an expert's recommendation because I don't know enough about "bolt" guns.

Few years back, while waiting for my number at RifleGear I started chatting with an older fellow who turned out to be a retired Marine Scout Sniper. Not only he schooled me on shooting, reloading tips, he advised me to "stay away" from Remington 700 altogether.

"Remington has not been putting out accurate guns for the last 7-8 years" was his words. The top 3 actions according to him are: Tika-Howa-Savage, in that order.

I bought 2 more rifles based off that recommendations since and I have no regrets. But I must admit that Savage Axis II has been the best bang for the buck, because both Tika + Howa, are only more accurate when I diligently do my part. Otherwise the Savage keeps up with them shot after shot.

I wouldn't rule out Remington is putting out "sub-standard" 700's because I have hands on experience with late model Marlin 1894 which we called "Remlin 1894" and they are Junk when compared to JM stamped Marlins before Remington took over.

Those of you who have experience with NH made Sigs w/ long extractors and cheap Check-Mate magazines can relate to this.

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All manufactures have "lemons" I'm afraid OP has one. 6-7 yrs ago I bought a Savage Axis II w/ AccuTrigger w/ scope pkg for $400 and that cheapo rifle has been flawless; ZERO extraction issues.

I have since started reloading and progressed into Tika & Howa rifles based on an expert's recommendation because I don't know enough about "bolt" guns.

Few years back, while waiting for my number at RifleGear I started chatting with an older fellow who turned out to be a retired Marine Scout Sniper. Not only he schooled me on shooting, reloading tips, he advised me to "stay away" from Remington 700 altogether.

"Remington has not been putting out accurate guns for the last 7-8 years" was his words. The top 3 actions according to him are: Tika-Howa-Savage, in that order.

I bought 2 more rifles based off that recommendations since and I have no regrets. But I must admit that Savage Axis II has been the best bang for the buck, because both Tika + Howa, are only more accurate when I diligently do my part. Otherwise the Savage keeps up with them shot after shot.

I wouldn't rule out Remington is putting out "sub-standard" 700's because I have hands on experience with late model Marlin 1894 which we called "Remlin 1894" and they are Junk when compared to JM stamped Marlins before Remington took over.

Those of you who have experience with NH made Sigs w/ long extractors and cheap Check-Mate magazines can relate to this.
Too much internet.

Top three are Remington, Savage, Ruger in that order, but lately Ruger may be bumping Savage to number 3 spot.
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I seriously doubt, that a retired professional would quote what he read off internet/chat forums/social media etc etc. Those are product knowledges & lessons from years of real life experience in the field. That fellow still competes in Camp Pendleton and Perry, and he does not touch a Remington, Ruger was not even mentioned.

For some, internet is the only education they get! But I doubt they make it to professional circles with product knowledge alone.

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If you flick the handle up it comes back fine. Similar issue if I’m slow going up with my 338
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I started chatting with an older fellow who turned out to be a retired Marine Scout Sniper. Not only he schooled me on shooting, reloading tips, he advised me to "stay away" from Remington 700 altogether.

When you go to those matches look for a very tall thin guy named Henry Childs. Ask him a question and let him talk without interruption.
Forget you ever met the marine scout sniper.
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More than half this thread does not help the OP.
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I have had my Savage model 110 chambered in .30-06 for almost 20 years, and in using a wide variety of ammunition including Wolf steel cased and never have had an extraction or spent case stuck in the chamber issue...

Since the OP stated it is a 'new' rifle, I would reach out to Savage about his issue with spent cases sticking in the chamber of his model 110.
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We need more info to help you. When does the bolt get stuck? After you lift the bolt knob, will it come back an inch or does it get stuck immediately?
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We need more info to help you. When does the bolt get stuck? After you lift the bolt knob, will it come back an inch or does it get stuck immediately?
Sorry all, I've been swamped the last few days with work and had church group late last night. I'll get home and shoot some pics of the brass from all.angles. thanks for all the input so far. I've emailed Savage and have not heard anything. I'll have to call them and get through to someone direct.
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Sorry all, I've been swamped the last few days with work and had church group late last night. I'll get home and shoot some pics of the brass from all.angles. thanks for all the input so far. I've emailed Savage and have not heard anything. I'll have to call them and get through to someone direct.
Also should take a picture or two of the rifle.
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Savage has been using round receivers with recoil lug sandwiched between it and the barrel since 1920, think Remington didn't start doing that until after WWII sometime.
Yes, Savages were/are budget items more or less, Remington copied the cheapo manufacturing techniques but still charged Winchester prices.

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When you go to those matches look for a very tall thin guy named Henry Childs. Ask him a question and let him talk without interruption.
Forget you ever met the marine scout sniper.
So listen to the guy that depends on his rifle to win trophies, forget the guy that depends on his rifle for his life?

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Also should take a picture or two of the rifle.
And fired cases from multiple angles.
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I seriously doubt, that a retired professional would quote what he read off internet/chat forums/social media etc etc.
OK.
That's nice.

Marine scout snipers are not issued factory Remington bolt rifles so any advice you received was not from his use of them in the marines.
The marines build their own bolt rifles in house.
With Remington receivers and bolts.
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More than half this thread does not help the OP.
Can't help people too cheap to buy quality items.
OP bought a sub-par rifle and then is complaining that it does not behave like a quality rifle.

The phrase "you get what you pay for" certainly applies.
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Can't help people too cheap to buy quality items.
OP bought a sub-par rifle and then is complaining that it does not behave like a quality rifle.

The phrase "you get what you pay for" certainly applies.
First of all I purchased a mid tier rifle and I researched a bit before I did. I didn't get an 783 or a axis i got a 110 with a jeweled bolt and adjustable stock. It's an entry level rifle and not a full custom but come on. I own Ruger precisions and other chassis rifles, I even own a mint BAR in 300wm.

This is meant to be a beater gun to take in the mud and hunt hog and deer with. I didn't see the need for a full custom rifle for my needs. I don't think spending over $1k for a rifle to eject a spent casing necessary. Shaming me for not spending lots of money is not going to resolve my issue.

I may have an issue with my bolt needing to be repaired from the factory but I hardly think I bought a sub tier rifle. I'm assuming there is a warranty issue here and nothing less. I'm kind of surprised someone who sells AR15 barrels is throwing around "subpar rifle" so loosely... seems a little below a vendor to be so freely insulting actual manufacturers. I guess that's your style.
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