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Old 03-13-2019, 5:10 PM
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Ok, I finally purchased my rifle. AR15 chambered in .223 Wylde, 16 in bbl. Now I need a scope. Had my heart set on one of cool-looking ACOG's, but after researching, I see they're best for quick target engagement right? Great scope, but not really for precise applications it seems.

I wanna do some plinking and also try to blow the bullseye out of paper at 500 yds.

What the proper variable length scope for such applications?
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Old 03-13-2019, 5:12 PM
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I have a 10x50 for $100 if you want it.
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You won't blow a bullseys out at 500 yards shooting an AR chambered for .223, lol. You would be lucky to hit a 9 inch paper plate at 300 yards, I can at 400. The going scope is a 1-6x24 (the newer version will be a 1-8x24), the more that you spend the lighter it gets, go with Vortex or Swarovski, mounted on a extended cantilever precision mount.

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The thing about optics is there must be a price range specified.

Maybe take a look at Athlon?

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Old 03-13-2019, 6:50 PM
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You want a precision scope get the best quality that you can pay for, then use the correct mount for the AR platform. But you can plink with what I posted above, but in no way long distance precision shooting.
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It isn’t about the proper scope to do what you’re trying to do.

I would suggest some classes on precision marksmanship first.

Your ammo will be extremely important to shooting tiny groups at 500 yards.

Also important is your rifles ability to do that.

And most important, is your ability to do it with a gas gun.

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Great answers all. And yes Dave, I do indeed plan on taking the marksmanship course!
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Lots of choices

Bench scopes are more delicate. Say the Nikon monarch

Durable - would be nightforce.

Lots of skilled people shoot paper with Iron Sights. I’ve watched guys keep groups at 6-7” at 600 yards with iron. Guys hit steel with Mosins at 1k


Lots of folks shoot to 1k with a simple fixed 10x scope

Others get a wiz bag scope and can’t hit at 500



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This one will allow you to read the 6 point font of the manufacture on your targets at 100 yards

https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-MONARCH.../dp/B00BAHVQHI
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This one will stand up to a lot of drills where you run the turrets a lot.


http://nightforceoptics.com/reticles
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This guy has good prices on optics, mounts and rings

https://www.longrangesupply.com/stor...ce-optics.html

https://www.longrangesupply.com/stor...oa-moar-t.html
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And I'm aware that gas guns are not as accurate as bolt actions. But living in Ca, I wanted to snag an AR while I still can!
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Reading your post, seems like this is your first AR. In my opinion, someone with only one AR should have a low power variable, 1-6 or 1-8 depending on budget. 8x will not hamper a 16” barreled .223 at all. A variable that does not start at 1x will hamper all kinds of things you may want to do with an AR.


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A 3x9x40, 4x12x40, or 4x14x40 may fit your needs. You can get them with standard capped dials or tactical turrets. Also, various reticals. It all comes down to your desired purpose & $.
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OP the bushnell AR 4-12 or 3-9 was on sale with a rebate for $100. Get that, try it, and sell it when you replace it. Thoroughly decent glass at a cheap price.
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What kind of AR's are you shooting. Mine shoot sub MOA all day long!

OP, get a nice scope of you want , then the ACOG for all day stuff. I switch mine on and off to do precision and messing around .

Can't go wrong with a NF 1-8

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You won't blow a bullseys out at 500 yards shooting an AR chambered for .223, lol. You would be lucky to hit a 9 inch paper plate at 300 yards, ...
What he's says.

I suggest a scope in the price range between $100-200 until you find out what you need.

You need clear optics to see something @ 500 yards, not magnification.

Try an entry level Leupold.


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FFP LPVO's aren't ideal for precision work as what generally happens is the center aiming point gets too big.

If your budget is in ACOG territory, I'd be looking at this.

VIPER PST GEN II
3-15X44 FFP

But ammo will make the biggest difference.
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https://palmettostatearmory.com/vort...ing-mount.html

Sign up for a stock notification. $280 for scope and mount when I got mine.
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Reading your post, seems like this is your first AR. In my opinion, someone with only one AR should have a low power variable, 1-6 or 1-8 depending on budget. 8x will not hamper a 16” barreled .223 at all. A variable that does not start at 1x will hamper all kinds of things you may want to do with an AR.


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What kind of AR's are you shooting. Mine shoot sub MOA all day long! od

OP, get a nice scope of you want , then the ACOG for all day stuff. I switch mine on and off to do precision and messing around .

Can't go wrong with a NF 1-8

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JP -15. Was dinged up so I got a deal on it. Supposed to be good rifles.
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JP-15 is a great rifle. Very accurate and soft shooting.
I had one when I was big into 3-gun.
It is more than capable of scoring hits on pie plates out to 500 yards.
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Steiner t5xi. Really underrated in my eyes. The glass is top notch and if money were no object I would own a m8xi, but sadly it is 2800 bucks and that is about as much as I have in my better AR's.
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I've tried many and I don't like the red dots at all. I finally tried the Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6 power scope. I love it. You can turn on the reticle and it is like a reticle if it is on 1 power. You keep both eyes open and it is amazing.

For longer distances, dial it up and you can hit small targets way out. It has a lifetime warranty too. Primary Arms has a similar scope.

The pros like Jerry M used the Vortex Razor 1-6 which is very expensive. If they use that type of optic, you know it works. I love mine. I run 2 of them.

Turners has them on sale for $299 this week.
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Vortex 4-16x44 Diamondback Tactical FFP Riflescope $349.00 6x24 $400.00
https://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex-...RTX1-DBK-10026
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A decision has been made!!
The Vortex Crossfire 1-4X24 at a whopping $199.00 has won the beauty pageant. I figure it'll give me the opportunity to learn the rifle, and have some money left for accessories. Maybe it'll be all that I ever need! But not all that I'll ever want!
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JP-15 is a great rifle. Very accurate and soft shooting.
I had one when I was big into 3-gun.
It is more than capable of scoring hits on pie plates out to 500 yards.
It was tough deciding on a rifle. Could bought a Colt, but I wanted something a little more refined.
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This one will allow you to read the 6 point font of the manufacture on your targets at 100 yards

https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-MONARCH.../dp/B00BAHVQHI
This one will allow you to count the fibers in the paper at 100 yards.

https://www.bearbasin.net/product_p/...945532g8e8.htm
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A decision has been made!!
The Vortex Crossfire 1-4X24 at a whopping $199.00 has won the beauty pageant. I figure it'll give me the opportunity to learn the rifle, and have some money left for accessories. Maybe it'll be all that I ever need! But not all that I'll ever want!
Good choice. A scope that drops to 1 power is good. I like 1-6 but that's good.

Not mine, but: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1515202

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