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Old 03-10-2018, 9:59 AM
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I am taking a carbine and pistol class in May. I hace a RAW, a bushmaster 16Ē plain jane fixed carry handle 1990s vintage naked muzzle carbine.

Id like to run an eotech.

That means a gooseneck or a new flattop upper.

Last time i bount an AR, there was Col, Bushmaster, and DPMS iirc. The rifle was about $700 otd.

Im looking for a mid priced, well made complete upper with a flat top. The number of manufacturers is dizzying.

Theres a PSA with quad rails and a bcg local to me for about $450, says 500 rounds.

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Someone is selling a LWRC IC DI upper for $650. Freaking great price for a top of the line AR upper.
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Here’s the link to the sellers ad, I looked on gun broker and they are going for a bit more. Not affiliated with the seller at all. Just saw this upper and wished I didn’t get mine from gun broker haha
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Theres a PSA with quad rails and a bcg local to me for about $450, says 500 rounds.

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You can get a brand new PSA upper with backup sights and a modern M-lok handguard for $370. Not that ancient quad rail crap.
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Here you go:

https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-...16lw%20bfh.htm

Good quality, not too expensive, and should be just fine with an EOtech. Only catch is the BCG is not included in that price. The thing is, there are many, many places selling high quality BCG's for less than BCM.

Also, I would pass on the PSA upper. There are/were many versions of the stuff PSA sells, at varying price points and varying levels of quality. Unless you really know what you're looking at, you could be getting a deal, or you could be getting junk. Also talk around the internet is FN no longer is making parts for PSA, so it's potentially all mystery meat parts now.
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https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-...16lw%20bfh.htm

Good quality, not too expensive, and should be just fine with an EOtech. Only catch is the BCG is not included in that price. The thing is, there are many, many places selling high quality BCG's for less than BCM.

Also, I would pass on the PSA upper. There are/were many versions of the stuff PSA sells, at varying price points and varying levels of quality. Unless you really know what you're looking at, you could be getting a deal, or you could be getting junk. Also talk around the internet is FN no longer is making parts for PSA, so it's potentially all mystery meat parts now.
Is there an issue with headspacing a bcg or is it plug and play?
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Head spacing on a BCG and upper that are both relatively new or both old normally is not an issue. If you get a new barrel/upper and use a bolt that has 50k rounds I would want to check it with a go no go gauge.

On a budget I would go with a PSA upper that you like. If you wanted to spend a lot title more money I would look at AP. https://aeroprecisionusa.com/m4e1-th...handguard.html

Donít knock old quad rails some of us like them. If you donít mind the extra bit of weight they work just st fine.
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https://aeroprecisionusa.com/m4e1-16...ete-upper.html

https://aeroprecisionusa.com/m4e1-th...handguard.html


Both under 500

PSA is good too. They have whole rifle kits sans lower for decent prices.

Now if you want more busget items try out Jsesurplus.com they have good selction there aswell. Some come with wilson barrels

http://www.jsesurplus.com/16uppers.aspx
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Both under 500

PSA is good too. They have whole rifle kits sans lower for decent prices.

Now if you want more busget items try out Jsesurplus.com they have good selction there aswell. Some come with wilson barrels

http://www.jsesurplus.com/16uppers.aspx
actually, I am looking at a aero upper too, and PSA is a good entry level one. However, I plan for a featureless, so have to remove the muzzle devices.
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Complete Colt M4 upper without the carry handle.

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You could also swap out your A2 upper receiver for a flattop. Cost should be around $100.
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actually, I am looking at a aero upper too, and PSA is a good entry level one. However, I plan for a featureless, so have to remove the muzzle devices.
Just order a $10 thread protector from Amazon or where ever. 5 min swap.
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Is there an issue with headspacing a bcg or is it plug and play?
Headspace *should* be determined at the time the extension is installed on the barrel IIRC. Buying from a reputable manufacturer should mean that these parts are in spec, so any GI bolt should be fine.
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I’m selling a complete PSA upper with bcg and a free float rail for 250. ��
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I am taking a carbine and pistol class in May. I hace a RAW, a bushmaster 16Ē plain jane fixed carry handle 1990s vintage naked muzzle carbine.

Id like to run an eotech.

That means a gooseneck or a new flattop upper.

Last time i bount an AR, there was Col, Bushmaster, and DPMS iirc. The rifle was about $700 otd.

Im looking for a mid priced, well made complete upper with a flat top. The number of manufacturers is dizzying.

Theres a PSA with quad rails and a bcg local to me for about $450, says 500 rounds.

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Yes, the choices available when it comes to ARs are pretty amazing. To narrow down what you'd like, it would help to define the parameters of what you'd like the rifle to do, and how. These questions may help.

- Are you looking for long range accuracy, or is weapon handling more of a concern? A good mix of both?

- Is weight a concern?

- What type of rounds do you plan on shooting? One type of load, or various bullets and charges?

- How important is controlling recoil and muzzle rise?

- Will you shoot at night?

- Do you want the absolute fastest possible follow-up shots?

- Is the utmost in reliable cycling important?

- How do you like to shoot an AR i.e. what is your grip style? Do you use a foregrip?

- Aside from the Eotech, will you mount a light, laser, bipod, etc? Do you need backup sights?

- How demanding will you be on the gun? Hard use? Plinking?


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Is there an issue with headspacing a bcg or is it plug and play?
It's plug and play in the sense that you plug in the headspace gauges and either play, or don't depending upon the fit. Adjusting headspace is a gunsmith task.

I would absolutely recommend checking headspace before firing a weapon that did not come from a reputable manufacturer with matched bolt and barrel. Parts from different well known manufacturers should work well together, but this is not always the case.

If you'd like your own gauges, check out the Down and Dirty set from mansonreamers.com. ~$70 for a set of top quality go, no-go, and field gauges is a great deal.
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OP find a bcm, lmt or spikes. I have been seeing a few uppers in the market place for very fair prices. Even and LMT m4 from normal for $450. That's a steal! Add an optic and light [if needed] and get to a class, you may even just run a class with your current setup just to get an idea of your wants vs needs. Last thing you want to do is spend $500 just to have to change it up after your class.
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Colt 6920 upper and some Magpul MOE SL handguards. Don't overthink it.
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I am a sucker for these Andro Corp blem uppers. Good price, good quality, and great customer service. They offer discounts fairly frequently if you keep up with them on social media etc.

http://androcorpind.com/blem-16-556-...blckout-bravo/
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Just order a $10 thread protector from Amazon or where ever. 5 min swap.
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And its easy to remove the flash hider. Just heat it up with a blowtorch or a mini blowtorch from your local liquor store for like 5-7 seconds to loosen the loctite and twist off with your wrench.
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Yes, the choices available when it comes to ARs are pretty amazing. To narrow down what you'd like, it would help to define the parameters of what you'd like the rifle to do, and how. These questions may help.

- Are you looking for long range accuracy, or is weapon handling more of a concern? A good mix of both?weapon handling, strictly carbine type use

- Is weight a concern?nope

- What type of rounds do you plan on shooting? One type of load, or various bullets and charges?factory fmj, possibly reloaded fmj, nothing exotic out of this upper

- How important is controlling recoil and muzzle rise?for the class, likely a concern

- Will you shoot at night?dont know, likely not

- Do you want the absolute fastest possible follow-up shots?yes, but not at the expense of reliability

- Is the utmost in reliable cycling important?not sure what this means. My DI factory upper has never failed, Iíd like this to be reliable.

- How do you like to shoot an AR i.e. what is your grip style? Do you use a
Foregrip.never used one, donít need one, never say never
- Aside from the Eotech, will you mount a light, laser, bipod, etc? Do you need backup sights?back up irons, no bipod, no laser

- How demanding will you be on the gun? Hard use? Plinking?the class will likely be pretty intense. Might use it for other classes and or 3 guy type? Never know

It's plug and play in the sense that you plug in the headspace gauges and either play, or don't depending upon the fit. Adjusting headspace is a gunsmith task.

I would absolutely recommend checking headspace before firing a weapon that did not come from a reputable manufacturer with matched bolt and barrel. Parts from different well known manufacturers should work well together, but this is not always the case.

If you'd like your own gauges, check out the Down and Dirty set from mansonreamers.com. ~$70 for a set of top quality go, no-go, and field gauges is a great deal.
Answers in bold.

Anyone have a hierarchy of upper manufacturers? I can see that the $1300 uppers like Noveske are likely the Cadillac of the game, Iím looking for a small block Chevy, not a lambo or a yugo.
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And its easy to remove the flash hider. Just heat it up with a blowtorch or a mini blowtorch from your local liquor store for like 5-7 seconds to loosen the loctite and twist off with your wrench.
I just put my uppers in a vise, grabbing the barrel. I just put my armorers wrench on a they easily spun off. I did not see any loctite just the crush washer. One was a PSA and one was a Aero.

I would be careful taking heat to my barrel unless it was really needed.
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You can get a brand new PSA upper with backup sights and a modern M-lok handguard for $370. Not that ancient quad rail crap.
This is a good deal, and if you go to their website they have a bunch of choices you can pick from.

Service is good on Online orders. Palmetto State Armory. google them.

Midsouth Shooters Supply was advertising complete Del Ton 16" uppers for $299 this weekend. No Front Sight but set up for a TRS 25 Red Dot easily.

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Anyone have a hierarchy of upper manufacturers? I can see that the $1300 uppers like Noveske are likely the Cadillac of the game, Iím looking for a small block Chevy, not a lambo or a yugo.
For me it's more amount the parts in the upper and the company that will stand behind their product. For me the most important part in the barrel. When I look at barrels I look at the following.

1) Twist rate. This is why post have been asking about the load you plan on running. If it's just bulk 55gr FMJ you will be fine with 1/9. If you want to run heavier bullets you will need to go 1/7 or 1/8.
2) Coating. Nitride is best. Chrome lined is good as well.
3) Profile. This has to do with weight mainly. In the past it had to do with impact shift as the barrel heated, but most good barrels are stressed relieved.
4) Length. I see no point in going longer or shorter than 16.
5) Material. Some like stainless some like carbon steel. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

After the barrel are you looking for a A2 style front site or free float barrel. This is more a question of cost as a free float barrel setup pushes you into a more expensive handguard.

It me the upper receiver really does not matter who makes it because unless you are getting your upper from someone that has their own forge you don't know where its really coming from. You may care about forward assist or dust covers. I really don't care one way or another so I just end up having them because having them is cheaper.

Sights, most uppers don't come with sites. If you just want backup sights and not something like offset sites then, I would just go with MBUS sites.

If you go free float you can spend tons of time and money selecting a handguard. If you go A2 front sight gas block then your handguard options gets much cheaper and simpler.

Then is the company standup and going to be around when and if you have a problem.

I hope that helps.
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This is the best thing I've read all day....

That being said here is my 2 cents if you want em... I have 2 palmetto uppers in use currently... one is mine, one is my daughters. well over 1500 rounds down each and no issues to report, for what I use them for they are fine, not Cadillac's but definitely a healthy small block. Would I trust my life to them, yes. on a side note I do keep them clean so as far as operation under neglect I cannot say, for the most part I run what I would consider cheap ammo and every time I pull the trigger it goes bang.

I have other rifle's/uppers that are not the "bargain" variety but these are the two semi's we take out the most and by far they are the most fun/bang for the buck rifles we have.


http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-1...516446201.html


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I really like PSA. I have this upper on my go to HD, beater AR. http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-1...ng-handle.html. Its no frills just shoots. Slap a rear sight and an optic on it and you are good to go. I got mine on one of their Daily deals for $199 to my door.

If you are use slinging 55 FMJ under 250 yards, its hard to go wrong with PSA. Here is a meltdown video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_wZoFq8n5s


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This is the best thing I've read all day....

That being said here is my 2 cents if you want em... I have 2 palmetto uppers in use currently... one is mine, one is my daughters. well over 1500 rounds down each and no issues to report, for what I use them for they are fine, not Cadillac's but definitely a healthy small block. Would I trust my life to them, yes. on a side note I do keep them clean so as far as operation under neglect I cannot say, for the most part I run what I would consider cheap ammo and every time I pull the trigger it goes bang.

I have other rifle's/uppers that are not the "bargain" variety but these are the two semi's we take out the most and by far they are the most fun/bang for the buck rifles we have.


http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-1...516446201.html

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Agreed,
Also as far as my experience has been they have fantastic customer service and quick shipping.


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I really like PSA. I have this upper on my go to HD, beater AR. http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-1...ng-handle.html. Its no frills just shoots. Slap a rear sight and an optic on it and you are good to go. I got mine on one of their Daily deals for $199 to my door.

If you are use slinging 55 FMJ under 250 yards, its hard to go wrong with PSA. Here is a meltdown video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_wZoFq8n5s
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If it fills the bill and its in the budget then why not?


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So my questions would be around the following. I am not aware of PSA ever using UTG handguards. Some people are good with them some people don't like them. I am not going to get in to that part.

My question would be how was the conversion done and what did it look like before?

Was it an A2 post site that was cut off and ground down? Did it already have a low profile gas block or was a new gas block installed. All of these if done correctly will work just fine, if not......

The thing to understand is that you are not looking at a stock upper. If it checks out and the changes were done correctly then you should be good to go. If it was done in a garage with a hacksaw and cutoff wheel, it still could be GTG if the person knows what they are doing.
If it came stock that way, that's news to me, and if you like it then cool, you should be GTG.

The BCG looks like every other Tool craft OEM BCG I run (don't buy into upgraded BCG, some people love them, the MILSPEC ones have not let me down) . For me I just run the plan Jane like that one. I can't tell from the pic if the gas key is propery staked, but that is easy to check.


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I have 2 PSA freedom midlength uppers. One came with a PSA BCG the other didnt come with one. I bought a BCG from DSA to use in it. Absolutely no problems ever through hundreds of rounds not really sure of exact round count, could be close to a thousand rounds through one of them. They work really well. The first upper I used as a base for a project, I put on an MI FF MLOK handguard and low profile gas block. The second upper I left "stock" with the standard handguard and FSB. Both uppers are "beaters", I run them hot with steel cased ammo. Never had a malfunction of any kind. They seem to work just as well as my Colt LE6920 which is pretty much the industry standard.

Both have phosphate steel barrels, no chrome lining. Chrome lining lasts longer and makes it a little easier to clean but plain steel seems to work just as well and is a little more accurate. Probably wouldnt last as long in a war but for my uses plain steel works great and should last many thousands of rounds. I probably wont be able to shoot out the barrels in my lifetime. I clean them once or twice a year with CLP. They are beaters. If they were BCM I probably would take better care of them.

Just about any well known brand should be reliable.

You might look into uppers from Windham Weaponry. I have their .308 rifle and its great. They are the guys that probably made your Bushmaster back in the day.

https://shop.windhamweaponry.com/col...#axzz59Zm74rtx
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Anyone have a hierarchy of upper manufacturers? I can see that the $1300 uppers like Noveske are likely the Cadillac of the game, Iím looking for a small block Chevy, not a lambo or a yugo.
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If I could find one I'd get a Hodge mod2 first choice, right now, take my money, easy.
Since that is made of impossibletofindanium and from here I'll ignore boutique or custom guys.

I'd put knights armament co at the top period for overall choice.

If you want best value but still good to go trust my life on it quality/qc...

I'd pick fn tactical 2. But I don't think they sell uppers only.

So next choice. BCM. Fire and forget.

There are a lot of choices that are just as good but higher priced. Or same price point but not as good. I'm not saying there aren't other good companies. I'm saying I wouldn't buy anything cheaper than that and trust my life on it. And I wouldn't buy anything more expensive, other than making the leap to KAC.

If you want super value and don't care for quality control because it's just a toy, sure go psa, you'll get an fn barrel that fn didn't want. Maybe you get a decent one for great prices.

Btw, I have no affiliation to bcm, or anyone I just mentioned for that matter.
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Ooh yeah I forgot to mention.

Before you buy an eotech I would suggest you consider a 1-6 low power variable scope like a kahles 1-6 or for a better price and just a tad heavier vortex razor Hd II 1-6

Jen you could even get the cheaper vortex and you MAY be happier than the eotech.

This gives you cqb AND distance capability.
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Anyone have a hierarchy of upper manufacturers? I can see that the $1300 uppers like Noveske are likely the Cadillac of the game, Iím looking for a small block Chevy, not a lambo or a yugo.
For easy weapon handling, a 14.5 or 16Ē barrel is good. The rifle that I use most often has an 18Ē barrel, which I like very much, but when I use an AR with a 14.5Ē barrel, itís almost like having an SBR in terms of weapon manipulation since Iím used to a longer barrel. The trade off here is velocity and range (all things being equal) with a longer barrel vs. easier target transitions and weapon handling with a shorter barrel. Keep in mind that a 14.5Ē barrel will require a permanently affixed muzzle device of at least 1.5Ē. Barrel profile is a consideration as well, as generally, the more stout the barrel the better the harmonics and subsequent accuracy and repeatability will be. Twist rate may also be important. For lighter bullets, probably any of the rates on a modern barrel will do. If youíre looking at shooting something with a better ballistic coefficient (generally longer and heavier) a 1:7 is recommended. Also, barrel material and construction technique can affect accuracy and longevity. Hammer forged and chrome lined will be durable and accurate. A cut stainless barrel (from a reputable smith) probably has great accuracy potential, but may not be a robust. 4150 CMV is a good all around barrel. A nitrided barrel of good steel will work too.

The position of the gas port comes into play with a few of the questions. Recoil and muzzle rise will affect how fast you can get another round on target. In general, a port closer to the end of the barrel will produce less of a recoil impulse than one further in. This is because there will be less time and gas to act on the BCG once the bullet has passed the port, but it may be less reliable than a port further in. You can control a lot of this with an adjustable gas block (not a requirement) though it requires testing various loads to assure that you are not undergassing your system. A midlength gas system can soften the shot a bit, while also being very reliable. The weight of the BCG and the buffer system (on lower) are factors as well. The trigger is also important, but thatís on the lower.

A muzzle break or comp is probably one of the best ways to help with keeping eyes and barrel on target. Keep in mind that some produce large flashes (not good for your vision at night), and some people around you may not like the noise, although I donít think that itís bad on a 5.56 variant at all. There are combination comp/flash hiders that do a very good job, some of which are manufactured by Primary Weapons Systems. I think that a flash hider is ok on a RAW, so youíd probably be ok with one like that.

The type of handguard that you run also affects function and durability. A handguard that interfaces with the rifle at two points instead of one will be more robust, but will also interfere with accuracy to some degree since it will impede the movement of the barrel upon firing. I prefer to use a quality handguard that allows the barrel to free float, but if you are using back up sights, it must be installed so the sights are aligned properly and in the same plane. Plus, it must have an attachment system (to the barrel) that is reliable and lessens the chance of movement. As far as handguard length, the farther out that you can comfortably place your support hand the faster you can drive between targets. The system to attach accessories may be best determined by how you like to hold the rifle. For me, itís more difficult to grab a quad rail than it is a tube with Mlok attachment point. Also, some type of fore grip makes weapon handling easier and also increase purchase on the firearm, especially if using armor.

It is my opinion that a person is better off building a rifle to suit their exact needs, but there are certainly manufacturers who make amazing quality stuff that will do a great job. LaRue, Daniel Defense, Bravo Company, Primary Weapons are just a few. There are cheaper options, such as Palmetto State, Del-Ton, and Bear Creek Arsenal that probably have some good options, but Iíve seen some questionable offerings from them. With smart shopping and a bit of knowhow, you can spend Palmetto State money on parts (perhaps a bit of an exaggeration), and end up with LaRue quality if you build your own.
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Just get one of these. Its melonited which some say is better than chrome lining.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-1...516447488.html
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One thing you should think about is that carbine classes tend to burn through barrels due to the rate of fire. I wouldn't invest in the best of the best.
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