Los Angeles (old posts)

[Kid Stanislaus]

Originally Posted by Peter W Bush

Moving is not an option. My family is here. My businesses and property are here. Selling everything and leaving my family to move to another state would be insane for me to do.

OK, you've made a decision based on your personal needs. It sucks that the LASD won't recognize your 2nd Amendment rights. That's probably not going to change soon. If I'm wrong we'll all be dance'n in the streets.

[HowardW56]

Originally Posted by Kid Stanislaus

It sucks that the LASD won't recognize your 2nd Amendment rights. That's probably not going to change soon. If I'm wrong we'll all be dance'n in the streets.

Don't do that, they will cite you for dancing in the street without a permit...
And then they will attempt to use that as justification for denial of a CCW. You know that people who dance in the street are unstable...

[beemaze]

Originally Posted by jonbirdt

Two weeks....
http://www.jonbirdt.com/images/Opposition_re_MSJ.pdf
http://www.jonbirdt.com/images/Reply_re_MSJ.pdf

Any updates on this case? And why was the OP "Banned?"

[RippSpeed]

Yeah pls let us know... someone told me it lost @ the court today!!! Is this true ???

[HowardW56]

Originally Posted by RippSpeed

Yeah pls let us know... someone told me it lost @ the court today!!! Is this true ???

Nothing has happened.... It is under submission for the judge to decide.

[gl0ckc0ma]

Subscribing....

[AMDG]

Come on guys and gals... Dig into those pockets and support your county through CGF. We have a long way to go... No pain, no gain.

[Jason P]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, fingers crossed!!!

[abechira]

Well, I am considering turning my app in for a CCW. Will start with my city first. I will keep you posted. I have a lot of research and fact finding to do on my background. From what I have researched currently, I don't expect much. At least I will have filed and have the records.

[NRA Fan]

Can we apply now? What do we do when declined?

[wildhawker]

Originally Posted by NRA Fan

Can we apply now? What do we do when declined?

Well, Mr. Jon Birdt, I would call a competent attorney like Jason Davis, as you should have done.

Please see our flowchart for more info.

[Tacobandit]

Anyone know when we should apply for LAPD? I know I have good cause according to Assenza and I was denied in Dec of 09 and I want my app re-evaluated after Davis is finalized as a win in court.

[monk]

I thought Mr. Birdt's case hadn't been heard yet? I thought I saw the court paper give a date in October of this year?


Also, given the passage of SB 610 I'll take a guess and say we'll probably have to wait until the new application, I assume there will be one, comes out.

[Wall Flower]

LAPD has 19 current permits that breakdown as follows:

1- 1993 Gifford Lawsuit.
11- 1995 Assenza original Plaintiffs.
3- 1996 Weapons manufacturer (2) Locksmith (1).
2- 2005 DA with threats.
1- 2010 Weapons manufacturer with threats.
1- 2011 Northrop Grumman Board member.

[monk]

Just sponsored LA County. Hope to hear an update soon.

[Peter W Bush]

Originally Posted by Wall Flower

LAPD has 19 current permits that breakdown as follows:

1- 1993 Gifford Lawsuit.
11- 1995 Assenza original Plaintiffs.
3- 1996 Weapons manufacturer (2) Locksmith (1).
2- 2005 DA with threats.
1- 2010 Weapons manufacturer with threats.
1- 2011 Northrop Grumman Board member.

I don't believe this is accurate. I have personally seen an LA CCW holder that isn't from the above list.

[Wall Flower]

It is accurate, but only includes current and active.

[Artisan]

I just signed up for this forum, can't read it all. I am in Monrovia, I want a CCW, I want to freely open carry loaded w/o issue. I want my freedom and I DO NOT HAVE IT. ONLY the criminals have guns! A Los Angeles Sheriff I spoke to last week said this;

WHOEVER IS THE LOUDEST WILL GET THERE WAY IN SACREMENTO.

Open carry is dangerous, if you notice you will never see OC advocates practicing OC in Compton or other gang infested areas, because a criminal KNOWS you are UNLOADED and all's he has to do is pull his gun and say"Give Me Your Weapon" and it is TRUE! Open Carry unloaded needs to be changed to open carry, loaded, OR ISSUE CCW Permits! DAM!

IF FOLKS IN NORWAY WERE ARMED EIGHTY+ CHILDREN WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY.

I can't read it all, if there is a local group that needs help contact me.

PISSED OFF I AM! 80 Kids DEAD~ E I G H T Y KIDS D E A D <

Artisan

[RoundEye]

Originally Posted by Artisan

I just signed up for this forum, can't read it all. I am in Monrovia, I want a CCW, I want to freely open carry loaded w/o issue. I want my freedom and I DO NOT HAVE IT. ONLY the criminals have guns! A Los Angeles Sheriff I spoke to last week said this;

WHOEVER IS THE LOUDEST WILL GET THERE WAY IN SACREMENTO.

Open carry is dangerous, if you notice you will never see OC advocates practicing OC in Compton or other gang infested areas, because a criminal KNOWS you are UNLOADED and all's he has to do is pull his gun and say"Give Me Your Weapon" and it is TRUE! Open Carry unloaded needs to be changed to open carry, loaded, OR ISSUE CCW Permits! DAM!

IF FOLKS IN NORWAY WERE ARMED EIGHTY+ CHILDREN WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY.

I can't read it all, if there is a local group that needs help contact me.

PISSED OFF I AM! 80 Kids DEAD~ E I G H T Y KIDS D E A D <

Artisan

This is quite an interesting first post. Loaded open carry in California would require the repealing of the Mulford Act of 1967. A more likely alternative would be a shall issue policy for CCW which CGF, has been working on for a number of years now. They have even attained that policy in several counties including Sacramento.

If you want to support the cause I recommend reading this thread in it's entirety as well as some others in the CCW forum and making a generous donation to CalGuns Foundation.

[Kid Stanislaus]

Originally Posted by Artisan

I just signed up for this forum, can't read it all. I am in Monrovia, I want a CCW, I want to freely open carry loaded w/o issue. I want my freedom and I DO NOT HAVE IT. ONLY the criminals have guns! A Los Angeles Sheriff I spoke to last week said this; WHOEVER IS THE LOUDEST WILL GET THERE WAY IN SACREMENTO. Open carry is dangerous, if you notice you will never see OC advocates practicing OC in Compton or other gang infested areas, because a criminal KNOWS you are UNLOADED and all's he has to do is pull his gun and say"Give Me Your Weapon" and it is TRUE! Open Carry unloaded needs to be changed to open carry, loaded, OR ISSUE CCW Permits! DAM! Artisan

I feel your frustration, I lived in Stanislaus Co. from '87 until this year w/out a CCW and felt like I was being treated like a child. The good sheriff finally saw the light what with budget cuts and staff layoffs decimating his agency. So today he issues with "Personal Protection" being sufficient good cause. Now I carry EVERYWHERE unless I'm going to work. The day will come when LA will have to cave in and issue on the same basis but it ain't just right around the corner (I'd be tickled pink to be wrong on that one!).

[hoffmang]

Originally Posted by Wall Flower

It is accurate, but only includes current and active.

Now this may be the most unintentionally funniest avatar ever:



Keep pushing it JB.

-Gene

[santamonica9]

Mr. Gene, we ALL applaud your efforts and stand with you in this battle for our rights that are being denied. I just subscribed to this thread and am waiting for an update on when I should apply.

Its so sad that LA has less than 100 CCW permits -> I will never vote Baca ever after reading this thread. Nice that he even goes into other districts due to his political supporters.

[monk]

I can't wait for the next Sheriff's election. I will make damned sure to vote for someone who more meets my beliefs. Hopefully they will also be progun.

[Sobriquet]

Originally Posted by monk

I can't wait for the next Sheriff's election. I will make damned sure to vote for someone who more meets my beliefs. Hopefully they will also be progun.

That was a tad difficult last time around. Sheriff Baca ran unopposed.

[Jason P]

What is the current Sunshine Initiative status on Los Angeles County? Is anyone doing anything? What are they doing?

[RoundEye]

Is there an reason that I should or should not go ahead and apply for a permit in the city of Los Angeles?

Based on what I have read, I am pretty sure that it will get denied, I just wanted to make sure that I am included if there is a lawsuit pending or one were to come up in the future.

[monk]

Originally Posted by RoundEye

Is there an reason that I should or should not go ahead and apply for a permit in the city of Los Angeles?

Based on what I have read, I am pretty sure that it will get denied, I just wanted to make sure that I am included if there is a lawsuit pending or one were to come up in the future.

I would say wait until a whole bunch of people can apply and get denied.

[jello2594]

Originally Posted by RoundEye

Is there an reason that I should or should not go ahead and apply for a permit in the city of Los Angeles?

Based on what I have read, I am pretty sure that it will get denied, I just wanted to make sure that I am included if there is a lawsuit pending or one were to come up in the future.

There is a lawsuit pending - Davis vs. City of Los Angeles. http://michellawyers.com/guncasetrac...f-los-angeles/

[sreiter]

Carrying large amounts of cash is NOT good cause in LA. My friend owns a check cashing business in Torrance. He has had attempted arm robberies perpetrated upon him. They told him to use a armor car service instead.

BTW- What is the likelihood of getting one in a small city...Culver, Redondo, Hermosa, etc.

[HowardW56]

Originally Posted by sreiter

Carrying large amounts of cash is NOT good cause in LA. My friend owns a check cashing business in Torrance. He has had attempted arm robberies perpetrated upon him. They told him to use a armor car service instead.

BTW- What is the likelihood of getting one in a small city...Culver, Redondo, Hermosa, etc.

And if your friend lived in Redondo he would have a much better chance...

I met a LTC holder at the range several years ago, he owneed a check cashing business and lived in Redondo..

[sreiter]

Originally Posted by HowardW56

And if your friend lived in Redondo he would have a much better chance...

I met a LTC holder at the range several years ago, he owneed a check cashing business and lived in Redondo..

wonder if thats him. he does live in redondo. got the permit because he was involved in a shoot out - had it for four years. they wouldnt renew

[monk]

Does he live and work in the same county or city? He may be able to apply in whatever city he works at if it's friendlier.

[Mrbroom]

I will wait to hear fronm the group until I take the Sheriff's route.. But I do work for a lpcal agency where I know the COP very well.. I may inquire with her if she would be willing to give me a ccw...

[Andric]

Do not advocate or post illegal behavior here again. Edited -leelaw

[jont92619]

Just sent a $10 check to the Calguns Foundation towards the Los Angeles County CCW Cause.... Anyone want to match it?

[HowardW56]

Originally Posted by jont92619

Just sent a $10 check to the Calguns Foundation towards the Los Angeles County CCW Cause.... Anyone want to match it?

Sure........

Amount: $ 10.00
Date: August 24th, 2011 1:07 PM
Transaction #: 2EJ31965UJ3839442


NEXT!!!

[Andric]

Originally Posted by Andric

Do not advocate or post illegal behavior here again. Edited -leelaw

Sorry.

[Mrbroom]

Originally Posted by sreiter

Carrying large amounts of cash is NOT good cause in LA. My friend owns a check cashing business in Torrance. He has had attempted arm robberies perpetrated upon him. They told him to use a armor car service instead.

BTW- What is the likelihood of getting one in a small city...Culver, Redondo, Hermosa, etc.

I have "off the record" inquired with the City of Redondo Beach's City Attorney (who is elected here) Mike Webb. He is a big 2A supporter (Tea Party candidate) and from what I know supports the LTC idea. He even stated that RBPD has applications at the front desk.. Now for Chief Leonardi, I really do not know his position on issuance. I am debating should I submit an application or wait for the movement?

[maverickoc]

subscribed.

LA sucks!

[APcivic01]

Subscribed.

Just spent the last couple hours reading up on the laws here (I'm a new resident to Los Angeles). Suffice to say, I'm more than frustrated with everything I've found out. I had my LTC back in Connecticut. Hopefully I'll one day be able to obtain one here. I'm looking forward to help in whatever way I can.