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AR acquired while an LEO, now what?
Hi folks, I'm not an LEO but my awesome wife is. I've got my bullet-buttoned AR and my ten rounders but we are thinking of buying some more toys. We are thinking about AR without a bullet button or an FN SCAR to name a couple. Because of her LEO status she can legally buy these, obviously.
But what if she decides to change careers and is no longer an LEO? Librarian suggested I ask you fine officers as you might have the answer handy. Would we have to get rid of the rifles if she is no longer an LEO? Or would it be a matter of simply installing bullet buttons? Thanks guys! |
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She can only buy it if her department authorizes it. More and more departments are no longer authorizing private purchases because of Jerry Brown's ruling when he was AG stating that the authorization ends when the LEO status ends.
See this thread. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...assault+weapon
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She can still (for now) keep it. Browns "opinion" that the weapon must be surrendered when LE status ends is just that, opinion, not law. The weapon when purchased, becomes a legally owned RAW. Until the Penal Code exemption section is changed, nothing changes when one is no longer LEO.
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When an LE retires from a California job, They're supposed to take their Calpers And assault weapons to Idaho.
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Best post I've seen in a while (I'll be going to New England though).
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As Turnkey says, there is no law, just the former AG's opinion. Right now there is a Porac sponsored bill to let retired LEO's keep one and only one registered assault weapon that was previously purchased for duty use.
Which brings up another point. As stated above, your agency must allow it. The letter require for purchase and registration states that the rifle shall be used for duty. It is different than the LEO in good standing letter required to waive the 10 days on a non AW purchase. |
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A peace officer can buy 30 round mags all day long, but once she uses a 30 round mag, it becomes an assault weapon. There are bullet buttons out there that will convert to a standard magazine release with a few turns of the screw. Here is an example of one: http://www.riflegear.com/p-470-raddl...zine-lock.aspx My suggestion would be to make sure the rifle is CA legal if you go to the range. Some LEO's keep 30 round mags around in case P00P hits the fan.
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Most of this info is accurate. You need a letter from your agency. Some agencies give them out others do not. I also know that you get another letter from DOJ/ATF that indicates once you retire or leave LE that you can no longer possess your assault weapon in Cali and must surrender it. Co-worker has a friend from a small agency that received such letter recently after his purchase. Maybe it is a new practice they are using even though "technically" as indicated it is not current law.
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LEOSA has nothing to do with officers purchasing/owning AWs. |
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I bring my SBR AR into Cali all the time under LEOSA......
ETA: federally you are fine, state wise... Maybe not..... Just gotta roll those dice and maybe be the test case.
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Last edited by hitman13; 11-17-2012 at 3:12 PM.. |
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And it still has nothing to do with officers purchasing/owning AW's.
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Unless you want to civilly discuss why I am wrong, which I may be..
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is that a personally-owned SBR or dept-owned? If personally-owned, what do you do about the 5320.20 requirements. Do you file the .20 and refer to LEOSA-exemption instead of needing the DW permit? Or does the LEOSA exempt you from even needing a .20?
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It's personally owned. ATF doesn't care about CA laws, they issue it no questions asked and no LEOSA related explanation given.
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Last edited by hitman13; 11-18-2012 at 2:16 PM.. |
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Peace officers cannot just buy RAW's because of their job title. With a Chief's letter you can buy a specific authorized duty gun. Without it, you follow the same rules as everyone else. The only real exemption LEO's automatically get is hi-cap mags and non rostered handguns. I have been a full time LEO for 12+ years in California, and all of my EBR's are configured in a manner in which anybody could possess them legally. I just happen to run everything featureless, which is the next best thing to a RAW in California. |
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You are incorrect. With a letter specifying which weapon, LE can buy and legally possess assault weapon(s) that do not require buttons or mag restrictions. May be used for on duty depending on agency guidelines or off duty for personal use. I know a number of small agencies that give their officers letters. Now the questions arises as to what happens when you retire or leave LE. As of now, I have been told that DOJ/ATF sends you documentation which indicates that you can not legally possess the weapon after you retire, etc...I am not sure how they are enforcing this at this time and how they know when you retire. |
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The OP implied that simply based on being a LEO, a person could purchase a RAW. This is incorrect. It is on a department by department basis. Some agencies issue the letters, some don't. |
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Purchasing you are on your own, but anyone can get a stripped lower.
DISCLAIMER: ANY POSTS I HAVE MADE IN THIS TREAD IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE, JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION AND EXPERIENCES.
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I pay 100% for my CalPERS and will take it where ever I want. And Nevada sounds better than Idaho.
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I think you're confused. Many PERS agencies now have their employees pay 100% (usually the full 9% employee share) of the employee's contribution. But I know of no agency where the employee pays the agency's entire contribution as well. Here's Alameda for you:
http://www.acgov.org/hrs/documents/I...un_30_2015.pdf |
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I guess I'll reply to your PM...
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Thanks for all the info, guys.
I thought the deal was she could pretty much buy anything she wanted (machine guns and Wile E. Coyote TNT excepted) simply because she was a police officer. I didn't know her agency would have to give her a letter for purchasing firearms, I thought it was automatic with her LE id. And I don't know how easily she can get a letter, we've never asked! |
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Just to clarify, the letter is needed for AWs, and to bypass a 10 day wait, but not such things as purchasing non-roster handguns, normal mags, etc.
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