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How not to use Epoxy to block a 30rd magazine!
OK so after much reading of different opinions on how to block a magazine, I decided with all my newb awesomeness to epoxy my magpul 30 rounder with a block.
So first mistake, READ THE INSTRUCTIONS TWICE for the epoxy (in my case I was using Loctite quick epoxy). Even though is says pull back the syringe before removing snap cap BE PREPARED for a huge glop of the stuff to come pouring out anyways! Second mistake, don't attempt to do this indoors! The smell is horrific! Serves me right for deciding it was too hot outside so I would sit in my air conditioned house and do it! Third mistake, when they say use rubbing alcohol to remove any excess spillage what they really mean to say is have a FRIKKEN GALLON of it nearby! The stuff is hard to clean up with just alcohol pads! Fourth mistake, have someone nearby to help when so when the spills occur so you don't get epoxy all over the place trying to get the floor plate on, getting into the bathroom to get your rubbing alcohol, and therefore leaving a little epoxy on every door handle you had to open! Fifth and final mistake was deciding to "DIY"! Most of the time I'm very handy doing things, but ya know if it involves liquid I'm going to screw it up! Just like making pancakes I always mess up the batter! Outcome: I have a very shiny blocked Pmag on the bottom (and up the sides). I'm sure everyone is going to laugh at me when they see it tomorrow on the range!
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I think that is why I am afraid to epoxy bed a rifle. I am afraid I may glue the rifle to myself.
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Anyways they lied about that also! It's still sticky after 2 hours now. So much for quick drying epoxy! And well if my magazine is ever stolen and found by an LEA they will be able to track it back to my fingerprints!
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Nah, complete the look. Take that PMAG out to your driveway. Step on it and grind the body into the gravel. It'll scuff down those shiny areas and make it look like it's seen some real action.
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LOL! Looks like you found out how to use epoxy the hard way :P. Luckily my pop showed me how to use it when I was young and I didn't have to make the mistakes myself.
Which of Loctite's epoxies did you use? I almost always use the 5 minute stuff, and for small applications it's usually fairly solid in 15 minutes and rock hard in an hour or so. BUT! It takes a full 24 hour period for any epoxy to set completely. So treat it as such. As for removing it from your fingers, I've never really found anything that takes it off really well, but acetone does an okay job. I'd imagine brake cleaner or some carb cleaner should take it off just as well.
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Did you want me to grab my camera while I had epoxy all over my hands to take a picture?
LOL I will see if I can get one of my shiny pmag with fingerprint marks all in it! EDIT: Photos are a little hard to see but you can make out the shiny areas. My fingerprints I can see with my eye didn't show up on the photos
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if i do the same, is it easily removable for when i'm in a free state?
or is there some other recommendations for 'reversible' applications |
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Depends you you epoxy it..if you epoxy the spring plate to the body plate, all you have to do is replace those plates for $5 or so a pack of plates. If the body and plate are epoxied, then it isn't worth it.
Pinning it is the best way to go if you want to reverse the process. |
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Doesn't look too bad, maybe you can spray it with some krylon in flat black.
I hate the fact that we have to make 10/30 mags permanent for BB'ed gun.. that really sucks! I have to reserve a few PMAGs as rebuild kits just for out of state purposes. I am going use 10rd mags from now on, no more dealing with CA bull****..
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Knowing my luck tomorrow morning I will get up to test it and even with all that extra epoxy I inadvertently applied, the floor plate will pop off and the spring will fly out! IF that happens I'm gonna be showing off my wonderful sledge hammer skills on it! If all goes well as it should, well then I will take that advice to go drag it in the gravel and scuff it up really good so it looks really used!
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My second season I had BRAND new in the bag stuff issued to me. I pulled it out of the bad an pushed it around on the floor of the engine bay...... I got a couple of puzzled looks. I just dont think that crew understood me. LOL |
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let me ask you something, if it is "reversible" and/or "easily removable", would you think it is "permanent" enough for the purpose of the law?
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This is to my understanding of the law. |
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You live, and you learn. I have learned to stay far away from epoxy as well.
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If all you have is an external block that you can simply, lets say: - unscrew - then you have a problem
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2 words for you....Pop Rivets.
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I think we all learn the hardway when working with quick drying glues. I have ruined many pairs of jeans and shirts (and even the carpet) when first opening a glue bottle or from accidental drips.
PS - I suspect the reason your epoxy took so long to cure was because you used so much. A small bead is all thats required. If it oozes from the seams then its too much. You just want to see it barely "emerge" from the seams and then if there is any excess, it gets wiped by a paper towl dipped in your wife's nail polish (aka acetone). |
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also, Does a magazine.limiter qualify for.this? to OP: next time.buy from paralax tactical, they have an ad here on calguns, they sell pmags already pimned and epoxied.for.like $24.
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LOL
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Hmm.. I get your point. This makes sense! however we do live in a state with laws and regulations that doesn't have to make any sense what so ever.
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parts kit does not equal hi cap. go from there
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"IF that happens I'm gonna be showing off my wonderful sledge hammer skills on it!"
I had one of those really crappy days today, and needed a good laugh! This did it. Thanks for the laugh and have a good range day.
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mwahahaha what he said.
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i'm still not sure what the answer is here
can i simply put in the pmag 10/30 block, put some epoxy on the baseplate, and be legal? do i even need to glue it? i would like to make it reversible for when out of state, is that even possible, if so, how |
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I asked a few people about this, everyone has a different opinion. Mr. Plink has a good point. Technically having a block in the magazine would limit it's capacity, disassembling the magazine makes it a rebuild kit. So what is the point of making it permanent with a pin or epoxy? Sounds very simple, but a lot of people I talk to disagree with this. I am going with the permanent option, better safe then sorry. It all comes down to money and time.. Getting into trouble with the law is expensive and time consuming. Doesn't matter if you are right, it still will cost you a crap load of money and time just to fight some legal bullcrap. Most of us just don't have the money or the time to be a test case.. PMAGs are cheap, legal fees are expensive. Not worth it, attorney fees can buy you a few ARs and a garage full of PMAGs. Hope that is a good answer
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Last edited by CSI304; 08-17-2011 at 1:43 AM.. |
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Personally I don't glue mine. The mag can not be modified to except more than 10 rounds unless you take it apart. When you take off that base plate you no long have a mag under cali law its just a hand full of parts now. If you assemble without the block THEN you have a problem.
I've given up trying to convince people of this. Some people just don't want to risk it so they glue the plate on. To each his own, do what make you happy and feel safe. |
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It took you a while to get your keyboard and mouse unstuck from your hands, didn't it?
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