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Old 01-03-2018, 5:32 PM
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Default Bob Lindsey LA Sheriff

There are two threads on him but this should be the official one. I will copy/paste my correspondence with him.

I just watched a video on Facebook from Mr. Lindsey and sent a message. Here is my message to him.

"Hello Mr. Lindsey, I watched your video on CCW issuance and have some questions. When you say rigorous background checks, what does that entail. Also you mentioned extensive training can you elaborate? If an LA County resident has an out-of-state permit would you accept that for background or training purposes? Thank you for your time."

Now waiting for a response.


My answer and follow up question.

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"Hi Jeff, unfortunately, state law requires that you attend training here as our state has different standards from other states. I’m bound by that state law. Rigorous background checks are checks done at the federal level when purchasing a firearm and filling out the Form 4473. I hope that answers your question. Please feel free to ask if it doesn’t."

(My follow up question)

"Thank you for your quick response so as I understand a NICS check with Live Scan is sufficient for the background and as for the training would it be a general 8 Hour classroom and life fire requirements? Both of those are reasonable and yes state law however would you require more than those and at what cost? I received my Arizona permit with those requirements and it cost $120. Considering the average income of a Los Angeles County resident that's a reasonable amount however in all honesty our right is a right but this is where we are. Hopefully you will not have an erroneous fee for exercising our right to protect ourselves. Again thank you for your response and I hope to hear back from you clarifying the process."

UPDATE: He responded only minutes after.

"The state standards for training and the costs associated with them are reasonable and stringent enough for me. A clean criminal background will be verified via a criminal background check done by my department personnel at the existing cost of $10.00."

So far he sounds like he may indeed be a shall issue.

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So far he sounds like he may indeed be a shall issue.
Best not to use "shall issue" phrasing since that is not legally accurate and gives anti CLEOs a way of stumping folks on our side when we confront them. (Sheriff: "California state law is 'May Issue'. The Ninth Circuit has upheld that state law. Both state law and federal court decisions require me to ask for Good Cause and exercise discretion. Next question, please?")

The way I ask it now is "will you accept 'self-defense' or 'personal protection' as a sufficient Good Cause statement for issuing a CCW?"
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Best not to use "shall issue" phrasing since that is not legally accurate and gives anti CLEOs a way of stumping folks on our side when we confront them. (Sheriff: "California state law is 'May Issue'. The Ninth Circuit has upheld that state law. Both state law and federal court decisions require me to ask for Good Cause and exercise discretion. Next question, please?")

The way I ask it now is "will you accept 'self-defense' or 'personal protection' as a sufficient Good Cause statement for issuing a CCW?"
I agree with you Paladin...He needs to be specific asked...what does he consider as good cause?...since calif. is A "may issue" state!...gobler...you need to ask him this...for clarification....We will be waiting from you to see what he says.

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To answer your question on Mr. Lindsays good cause. He stated up front "self defense" was all he needed. To me that is as close to shall issue as one can get in this craptastic state..

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Well after today's travesty of yet another failed legislative attempt for good cause, it's imperative that we get Bob Lindsey in office.

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bob lindsey needs to get out and be more active..on facebook social media...like travis allen for gov. is doing..it seems to be working for travis too..mr. lindsey needs to do the same.
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I have sent the following to Mr Lindsey:

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My Name is Paul Nordberg, I am writing you on behalf of the community at Calguns.net.

Calguns.net is an online community consisting of over 350,000 voting California shooting sports enthusiasts, firearms collectors and Second Amendment advocates across multiple social media platforms.

In consideration of your candidacy in the upcoming election we would like to ask some questions regarding your positions on firearms ownership and firearms laws. We use these questions to determine which candidates to recommend that our members endorse, support and vote for. Please provide answers to the following questions and return via email to paul.nordberg@calguns.net.



What is your position on the Second Amendment, does it apply to individuals or to the State?

What is your position on ‘assault weapons’ and expanding or repealing the existing ban on ownership?

What is your position on magazine capacity restrictions, should these restrictions be lifted or maintained?

What is your position on the current California ‘Safe Handgun Roster’?

What is your position on the restrictions on the purchase of ammunition, should these restrictions be lifted or maintained?

What is your position on concealed carry and open carry, is either one or both an inherent right under the 2nd Amendment?

Regarding Peruta v. California, in your opinion is 'Self Defense' sufficient cause for a law abiding citizen to obtain a Concealed Weapons permit?

Do you favor increasing firearms laws in California or favor repealing some or all of the existing State laws that go above and beyond existing Federal law?

What California ‘gun control’ laws would you be prefer to see repealed or see added?

Do you think California’s firearms laws are too lenient, too strict or about right?



Thank you for your time and your response,

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I have sent the following to Mr Lindsey:
Great questionnaire.. post his response if/when he does..

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Is there any realistic chance of anyone defeating Sheriff Jim McDonnell? I'll certainly vote for anyone who isn't McDonnell, but will it achieve anything?
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Is there any realistic chance of anyone defeating Sheriff Jim McDonnell? I'll certainly vote for anyone who isn't McDonnell, but will it achieve anything?
It's real hard to defeat an incumbent Sheriff. It hasn't happened in L.A. County for more than 100 years. Most voters don't do a lot of research and will support an incumbent unless there is a lot of controversy, and the controversy touches a majority of the voters.

In can happen though. In November, the voters of King County ousted our Sheriff who was running for re-election and elected one of his executive staff as the new sheriff.
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Is there any realistic chance of anyone defeating Sheriff Jim McDonnell? I'll certainly vote for anyone who isn't McDonnell, but will it achieve anything?
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Bob Lindsey is having a "walk" in Glendora on Sat 12pm-4pm
415 W. Carroll St., Glendora Ca.
I'm going to try to be there...

https://www.facebook.com/events/222225701682739/?ti=cl
^^ his Facebook page ^^

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Raido interview...

http://americaoutloud.com/need-refra...e-bob-lindsey/

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LA Times endorses the incumbent

However this race is competitive. The Democratic Party has, amazingly, endorsed Alex, which is great, because that will take votes away from McDonnell.
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I read the LAT endorsement in the paper and it was rather backhanded.
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I read the LAT endorsement in the paper and it was rather backhanded.
It wasn't much of an endorsement.

They also endorsed Baca multiple times I believe. In light of that, instead of endorsing anyone, they should have said, "We messed up so badly by repeatedly endorsing Baca, we don't have any standing to endorse anyone. Do your own research." But no, that would require honesty and courage.
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They basically said that McDonnell sucks because of XYZ, but he can be excused a bit for Z and we think he might still be able not suck at those things at some point in the future if he were retained, and that the other two don't warrant the endorsement because they don't have plans detailed to the satisfaction of the LAT staff, so McDonnell gets the endorsement by default. It's one of the weakest, most backhanded editorial endorsement's I've ever read in the paper.
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how likely Bob Lindsey is to be elected? Is he a favorite to win? Runner up? I didn't find any polls or anything.
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how likely Bob Lindsey is to be elected? Is he a favorite to win? Runner up? I didn't find any polls or anything.
There's no polling for sheriff.

I know that incumbent sheriffs "always" win, but this is somewhat different. Lindsey seems to have a well organized and active campaign. I see Lindsey bumper stickers all over the place. I've never seen a McDonnell bumper sticker. Lindsey also has been picking up endorsements. Meanwhile, the Hispanic candidate will peel away votes from McDonnell.

The usual strategy for sheriffs here in LA is to avoid the CCW issue entirely and hope that LA gun owners will magically assume "he's gotta be better than the incumbent". Maybe that's true, but that doesn't energize a campaign. Lindsey came out strongly and early with an unambiguous position on CCW issuance and that energized a big base of support for him.
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There's no polling for sheriff.

I know that incumbent sheriffs "always" win, but this is somewhat different. Lindsey seems to have a well organized and active campaign. I see Lindsey bumper stickers all over the place. I've never seen a McDonnell bumper sticker. Lindsey also has been picking up endorsements. Meanwhile, the Hispanic candidate will peel away votes from McDonnell.

The usual strategy for sheriffs here in LA is to avoid the CCW issue entirely and hope that LA gun owners will magically assume "he's gotta be better than the incumbent". Maybe that's true, but that doesn't energize a campaign. Lindsey came out strongly and early with an unambiguous position on CCW issuance and that energized a big base of support for him.
I guess there's no way to know until the votes are counted.
Hopefully all us Calgunners, at least, get off our asses and VOTE. If we can't even do that, then we have no one else to blame for this sorry state other than ourselves.
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I guess there's no way to know until the votes are counted.
That's right. All I can say is this is a race that Lindsey can win because he has energized a base of support, and previous candidates didn't do that. Previous candidates couldn't do much other than say, "vote for me because I'm better". Lindsey, in contrast, has given us clear reasons to vote for him. #1 is CCW reform. Others include improved recruiting ideas and more action with the homeless.

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Hopefully all us Calgunners, at least, get off our asses and VOTE. If we can't even do that, then we have no one else to blame for this sorry state other than ourselves.
YES. If everyone in LA County who voted for Trump would vote for Lindsey he would win in a landslide. If every CalGuns member in LA voted for Lindsey it would probably also be a landslide for him.

He really can win this.
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I have never seen this much energy and activity in a sheriffs campaign here. I'm seeing Bob Lindsey bumper stickers and signs all over the place. This could be the year that LA goes shall-issue!

Make sure you vote. If you voted absentee make sure to check that your ballot was received and processed:

https://voterstatus.sos.ca.gov/

I checked mine and it was received and was valid, but too many are being rejected because they don't like the signature.
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Bob can thump McDonnell in Nov. if we can just get him past the Jungle Primary.

I think all of us need to be prepared for that fight, though. It's going to require a lot of committed activism, and plenty of donations.

Once they take Bob seriously, we're going to see everyone from Boxer to Reiner donating to "stop the gun nuts", IMO.
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Being this is a primary election, how does this work when it comes to the sheriff? There are three sheriffs on the ballot does the winner become sheriff or do they vote again in November?


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Being this is a primary election, how does this work when it comes to the sheriff? There are three sheriffs on the ballot does the winner become sheriff or do they vote again in November?
Generally, top-2 would go unless one gets more than 50%+1, in which case it's over tonight.

Not sure on this one though... knowing LA, if Lindsey gets 51%, they'll move him and McDonnell to November.
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Generally, top-2 would go unless one gets more than 50%+1, in which case it's over tonight.

Not sure on this one though... knowing LA, if Lindsey gets 51%, they'll move him and McDonnell to November.


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Looks like Lindsay needs to worry about making the top two at this point. He's in third at this point with McDonnell over 50%.
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Less than 5% reporting and McConnell just over 50%... Lindsey not even 20% in 3rd... can the remaining 95% make up the deficit?
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where are you guys getting the sheriff's results? i can't find one website showing it.

and the link i used in the election results thread only show state-wide counts, not local
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https://www.lavote.net/election-resu...&election=3793
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It's too early to say, less than 25% of precincts have reported in as of this post
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It's too early to say, less than 25% of precincts have reported in as of this post
Unless there is some crazy turnaround, he's done.
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Of 5 million registered voters in LA, only 787K voted in LA Sheriff election... and we only mustered 150K votes for Lindsey. =(

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Really disappointed with lack of support for Lindsey
Its LA County - the special place where people couldn't get enough of Lee Baca as their Sheriff.

Ask anyone why they voted for McDonnell or Villanueva over Lindsey and I bet nobody can give you an answer. As long as the Sheriff isn't embroiled in some kind of scandal, people just vote for whoever...McDonnell already had the job "oh he must be good"......
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I voted allen but am behind cox now...

I cant believe anyone on this board has to say "NeverNewsom"

I thought we were 2A "enthusiasts"
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Just saving this for future reference. Info pulled from: http://lavote.net/ElectionResults/Text/3793#contest-14

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Candidate(s) Votes Percent
Jim McDonnell (N) 374,075 47.45%
Alex Villanueva (N) 263,520 33.43%
Robert ("Bob") Lindsey (N) 150,726 19.12%
4,357 of 4,357 precincts reporting (100.00%)
Doesn't seem to have changed from 2 days ago...

And currently 504,134 ballots still not tallied for LA county if below link is accurate...
http://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/stat...ots-report.pdf

Wondering if Vote-By-Mail and Provisional votes might be skewed differently than ballots cast at polling place? I know none of the Lindsey votes from those I know have been counted yet and are in the 500K still uncounted...

Hmm, just looked at Lindsey's FB page and looks like I'm on the same page!






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Here is how to check on the provisional ballot to see if it was counted:
https://www.lavote.net/pbstatus

Here is how to check on your mail in ballot to see if it was received and counted: https://www.lavote.net/av_inquiry
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