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Old 02-06-2014, 11:13 AM
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I'll just stick with Black Talons.

Err... I mean Ranger XST's.

Err... I mean Ranger T-Series ammo.
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Not yet, but give the DOJ some time.
So it's not yet legal but with time it will be?
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So it's not yet legal but with time it will be?
I think he typo'd and meant to say it's not illegal yet, but you know the ban-happy DOJ.
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I heard they only made these bullets when the sales for ShamWow and Snuggies dropped off.
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Looks like yet another worthless novelty exotic round. I bet it's overpriced too.
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This is some funny stuff.

How is it not one of you noticed this ammo was designed to *not* penetrate Level IIIa body armor?

Ban it? Hell they will more likely require it.
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Anyone else think it was funny that during third party testing of the 9mm RIP ammo, .22LR ammo was used to replicate the 9mm RIP penetration and wound patterns in FBI spec ballistic gelatin.
In fact, the .22LR had better penetration than the 9mm RIP.
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Anyone else think it was funny that during third party testing of the 9mm RIP ammo, .22LR ammo was used to replicate the 9mm RIP penetration and wound patterns in FBI spec ballistic gelatin.
In fact, the .22LR had better penetration than the 9mm RIP.
Yeah, this RIP ammo is a joke!

I only carry the BEST ammo out there: Extreme Shock Match Grade Anti Terrorism ammo:



RIP ammo is a joke, with its trocars. What's a trocar (or even six trocars) compared to Extreme Shocks's NyTrilium ???

Seriously, for anyone reading this and wondering, RIP, and Extreme Shock, and probably many others before and after, are hyper-expensive, heavily-marketed novelty ammo. The sad thing is they are less effective than conventional major-manufacturer hollowpoints, and many times more expensive. They are probably handloaded in a garage somewhere, with uncertain components and inconsistent manufacturing process. It's a complete waste of money and a compromise in effectiveness. The companies that market this stuff get a few sales from gullible buyers, but then the novelty sales wear off and they disappear, because there's no reason to buy them.
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is it for sale at walmart?
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I got a few magazines full of that extreme shock stuff with my 1911. It's is the only ammo I've had a malfunction with, crap locked up my slide halfway into battery.
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If I was marketing "one shot, one kill" bullet, I don't think I would start out the vid with a full auto, 30rnd mag pistol.
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Call it what you want, I've tried it and purchased some. Damn impressive is what this round can do. You keep your FMJ 45 cal, I'll use this round anyday in my 9mm
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Call it what you want, I've tried it and purchased some. Damn impressive is what this round can do. You keep your FMJ 45 cal, I'll use this round anyday in my 9mm
what can it do that a normal bullet cant? not penetrate as deep and cost 50% more money?
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Complete, utter, garbage. Shootingthebull410 has way more patience than me. You guys should go watch his video on this round.
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It's an interesting concept and it and the wound path it leaves look interesting, indeed.

I think the main technical criticisms that this bullet would receive would revolve around it's light for caliber weight (96 grains), and shedding petals (which is classically considered a failure mode since a solid mass penetrates much further and more predictably). If I saw correctly, a list of chronograph data ostensibly from testing shows a mid 1200 FPS velocity, which at 96 grains suggests lower than typical muzzle energy. Furthermore, copper is much less dense than lead (though tougher). The reduced sectional density further hampers penetration - especially of the fragments that depart the bullet.

That said, it's likely that the broken off petals would create a gruesome, though superficial wound, failing to penetrate deeply enough to hit vital organs and arteries aside from the occasional "lucky" fragment that didn't tumble and traveled point forward. This leaves the rather small, non expanding base of what is already a bullet of anemic weight and velocity to penetrate the rest of the way.

That said, I don't think any of it matters with full 33 round magazine from a Glock 18 in full auto, regardless of what it's loaded with...
Why don't they sell a version where the empty spaces are filled with lead. Pedals would be like the jacket.
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Why don't they sell a version where the empty spaces are filled with lead. Pedals would be like the jacket.
Because it is useless junk no better than using a .25 acp and someone aleady beat them to all the good ammo market aka federal hst, speer gold dot, golden saber. They had to come up with some stupid way to sell this crap. Theres a sucker born every minute! Its not even remotely desirable and never will be.
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This is my new favorite ammo.

When encountering a barrier, it stops and rotates, effectively sawing through it like a drill. None of the specially designed death petals shed during the sawing process, as they are specifically engineered for death blossom in soft tissue.

After successfully punching through the barrier, the bullet then re-accelerates to the target. The patented TROCARS separate from the deep-penetrating 17-grain base, which punches through the entire body cavity, stopping only at the far side epidermis in order to avoid over-penetration. Meanwhile, each of the now-separated TROCARs target an individual vital organ, taking the shortest path through the target's body to turn the lights out on the heart/brain/lungs/testicles/etc.

Behold, the power of modern science.
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Ballistic gel tests on this ammo have been poor. Don't buy into the hype. Personally, not interested
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Here's a good analysis:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ing-phase-two/
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The FBI test has it with HST Federal. I like Ranger T series because of round head and + feeding capability in auto loaders.

This stuff would be great for small varmints. Who wants to pay their price to shoot varmints? It's all flash in the pan.
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Sawing - like a drill?

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This is my new favorite ammo.

When encountering a barrier, it stops and rotates, effectively sawing through it like a drill. None of the specially designed death petals shed during the sawing process, as they are specifically engineered for death blossom in soft tissue.

After successfully punching through the barrier, the bullet then re-accelerates to the target. The patented TROCARS separate from the deep-penetrating 17-grain base, which punches through the entire body cavity, stopping only at the far side epidermis in order to avoid over-penetration. Meanwhile, each of the now-separated TROCARs target an individual vital organ, taking the shortest path through the target's body to turn the lights out on the heart/brain/lungs/testicles/etc.

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This is my new favorite ammo.

When encountering a barrier, it stops and rotates, effectively sawing through it like a drill.
Are you sure it's sawing like a drill? When I've used it, I'm pretty sure it quantum tunnels through the barrier. I'm pretty sure the trocars are coordinated by quantum entanglement also. Yes this ammo is that good.
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$3 per round (shipped) + mediocre performance (per TAG review) + questionable marketing that could be problematic if used in a SD situation = fail
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Call it what you want, I've tried it and purchased some. Damn impressive is what this round can do. You keep your FMJ 45 cal, I'll use this round anyday in my 9mm
or you need to look up some ballistics testing on youtube and read Doc's information on ballistics somewhere on the net.
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$3 per round (shipped) + mediocre performance (per TAG review) + questionable marketing that could be problematic if used in a SD situation = fail
The other major problem is this stuff is made by a tiny manufacturer in small quantities. The thing you want for ammo reliability is consistency which comes from making and testing massive quantities of it, year after year. This stuff is probably basically handloads made from unknown components with little testing.
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The other major problem is this stuff is made by a tiny manufacturer in small quantities. The thing you want for ammo reliability is consistency which comes from making and testing massive quantities of it, year after year. This stuff is probably basically handloads made from unknown components with little testing.
What happens if im attacted by balloon aliens?



Still no answer on why these would be that bad if heavier? lead core.
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WTF does "attacted by" mean?

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Still no answer on why these would be that bad if heavier? lead core.
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WTF does "attacted by" mean?

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Typo meant attacked.
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