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The top 3 polymer striker fired pistols
I've owned multiple Glocks, XDs, Rugers, XDMs, M&Ps, and Walthers.
All of these guns are very well made. I didn’t care much for the Springfield XD or Ruger SR series. In my opinion, the top 3 striker fired pistols are Glock, M&P, and Walther PPQ. I like them all. Each has unique characteristics and none are perfect. Glock- nice factory trigger - easy to work on, very cheap ($398 blue label) - huge aftermarket support. The Glock has a much lower bore axis too which means better recoil control. Cheap mags. It takes time to fall in love with the Glock platform. I used to hate them...Now I own 4 Glocks. M&P---Great ergonomics . Accurate and reliable. Horrible trigger out of the box but I can live with that. Low bore axis. PPQ---super accurate, great trigger. High bore axis. That causes lots of muzzle flip and slower follow up shots. Wather mags are EXPENSIVE and very hard to find. I can shoot my Glocks and M&P much faster than the Walther PQQ due to the low bore axis. I switched from Glock to M&P and now back to GLock. (Out of 10) Ergonomics: GLock -8 M&P-9 Walther 8 Trigger: Glock-9 M&P-8 Walther-10 Muzzle flip/bore axis: Glock- 9 M&P-9 Walther-7
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I am pretty fond of the M&P too… but the XD just does it for me. |
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Because there's no clear winner based on the points, I am curious to ask..
If you could only have one, which would it be? This is for all usage, and if you carry one for work, that too.
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Oh yeah! For both. Love my Steyr 40's
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Nice collection you got there.... very nice
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jk... but thanks for inlcuding the G34
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Nice review OP. My rating on the ergo is different though.
Glock = 7 M&P = 9 Walther = 9 And my best striker-fire pistol is HK P7M8 hands down. Sent from iPhone Last edited by tbc; 02-05-2013 at 7:13 PM.. |
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I know it is your opinion, but I find it interesting on how you rank the Glock and the PPQ the same in ergonomic. Like you, I've shot all 3 handguns and agree with almost everything in the review, but not the ergonomic category. The PPQ and MP9 should be a tie, and the Glock is one level below them.
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This is such a troll/obvious Glock fanboy thread. There's hardly any real unbiased information and what information is present is horribly misleading. I hope some new or soon to be gun owner doesn't read your "review" and attempt to make an intelligent decision based off of it.
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Don't get all butthurt at me because I called out your Glock fanboy propensities.
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I have all three. all fine guns. The PPQ is my favorite for the range. But someone comes over the fence I'd prefer the Glock, especially, the G20, have higher confidence it will go boom when ordered. Last edited by uhlan1; 02-05-2013 at 9:10 PM.. Reason: sp |
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More glock nut swinging
M&P and i dont even own one.
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I have many different makes of guns ,and do not believe or push that one is the mightyest of them all. Dont hate ,cause Im not a glock nut swinger, or cause i dont want to be part of your clan. I know it bugs u that Im not a glock nut swinger ,or you never would have commented . Now its 4 times.
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So was I trying to convert people to Glocks when I only shot and carried Carried Apex modified M&P's? What about when I took a Grayguns class with a P226r? Oh and what gun did I send to Harrison Customs? Oh yeah a Les Baer 1911. Sorry, but you have the wrong person yet I've seen you go out of your way to bash Glock owners. |
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Last edited by DRAB_81; 02-06-2013 at 10:07 PM.. |
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Too light? It weighs as much as the G17. If you are complaining about it being too slippery, then get some skater tape, http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=3416161
Out of curiosity, why did you rank the Glock ergonomic the same as the PPQ? |
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Glock and M&P are my fav too. Its really a tie between the two for me. M&P gets the nod in ergo's but glocks holds a deep trust with me. I also love the glock trigger. After they smooth out they are just amazing. Love the super short reset.
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I just don't like the grip on the Glock. It feels too fat to me.
So I prefer the .45acp XD's grip; I can draw and get on target pretty darn quick with it. It hasn't been finicky about my money saving wheel weight cast lead SWC loads, either. These work every time; a few thousand so far. But let's face it, just about all these modern pistols are pretty awesome. We live in some good times with reliable choices for anyone's preferences.
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oh, btw...XD gets my vote. Glocks are for girls.
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It's hilarious how all the haters start crying any time someone says they like Glocks more than M&P's or XD's (or just that they like Glocks in general).
All you Glock Haters constantly point out that it's subjective & all about personal preference, but when someone'e personal preference isn't yours, they're wrong. Even after guys like RC3 and myself have owned and shot 1000's of rounds through just about everything out there, we're still fanboys if we prefer Glocks. |
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Pretty much impossible to make any comparison of your own personal opinion on Glocks/M&Ps/Walthers/XD without people getting all butt hurt. LOL I think that is hilarious. Different strokes for different folks. Who really cares what handgun is MY favorite anyways? People should really care about what is best for them after they have sent thousands of rounds down range. BTW I prefer Glocks.
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I'm arguably a GLOCK fanboy... and I love M&Ps, possibly more than my GLOCKs. Totally unbiased: GLOCKs are durable, reliable, and extremely customizable. Yes, some people don't like them... and they don't have to shoot them. The earth keeps spinning. And ya, RC3 has reviewed many firearms and clearly has shot a lot of rounds through many different handguns. This is not a GLOCK fanboy thread. |
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Alot of people have issues with the ergos on the Glock. I've owned a boatload of handguns but I shoot the Glocks best. Well, actually the 1911 shoots best but it's too heavy to carry all day. I've owned and carried the M&P's as well but I felt more comfortable with Glocks. I guess after shooting it for so many years, it has become second nature to draw and place shots where I want them with good fast follow ups. I like the angle of the grip and feels natural. Don't ask why, it just does. I also have a Ruger SR9. I like this gun. Nice trigger, low bore axis makes it a good shooter. The little safety sometimes pinches my palm when I ride the slide back. The XD is nice when slow firing but once you start picking up the pace, that muzzle flip becomes a issue for me. Same thing with the HK USP's. Everyone has their preferences and opinions. If you don't agree with my opinion, so what?
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ALRIGHT, EVERYONE FREEZE!
I'm with the internet police..... and there have been complaints Seriously, if you feel its your duty to prove someones opinion is wrong you need to chill the flip out and take it somewhere else. Don't come into a thread and crap all over it because you disagree. Show some class and respect. Sheesh |
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Funny, I originally owned a Glock, purchased a bunch of M&Ps and then sold them all and purchased a bunch of Glocks. I owned a G19 and didn't really care for it. I bought a bunch of M&Ps, Apexed them out and generally enjoyed them. I then bought a G17 to carry and so I could use all the standard capacity magazines I've got. I didn't really want to carry the G19 since it was my father's. Now I've purchased three new G34s in the last two months and haven't looked back. I think after shooting the G17 for a bit I realized that how a gun feels doesn't make as much of a difference as the other shooting characteristics of a pistol. If it does everything else well then I can put up with the fact that it is slightly less uncomfortable when just holding the thing.
In California, with standard capacity magazines, I'm happy to be sticking with the Glock. In a free state, where I could get standard capacity magazines for the M&P, I'd really have to spend some time at the range with a shot timer to figure out if one shot better than the other for me. The one thing that I really hated about the M&P was the fact that it took a punch and a rubber hammer to detail strip and in comparison to the Glock, was complicated to switch out trigger parts. With the Glock even I can fine tune the trigger easily and quickly. With the M&P it would take hours of frustration to get the Apex trigger parts in the gun. |
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To balance out the field I'll say that Glock should stop putting cheap plastic sights on their slides. Toughest pistol in the world and they put plastic sights on it. COME ON! Each pistol has its Pro's and Con's. All are good in their own way. |
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Glock
HK P7M8 XD M&P As always it comes down to what you like. I own them all except for the M&P which I have ran on the range and like but don't love it. From a selling stand point it goes Glock, XD, then M&P.
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