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Old 10-07-2017, 8:29 PM
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Default Currently OK to CCW in Vegas?

Have to go to a meeting at the Orleans next month. Whats the current status? I've heard of TSA types search at hotels and all guns banned to no changes. Any insight? Thanks
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Here is the latest conflicting experiences in Vegas........a little yes, a little no.
It's a mixed topic thread, some pertains to Vegas:


http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1384651
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Old 10-08-2017, 9:54 AM
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Do you have a permit that allows you to carry in Nevada?
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I was thinking the same thing.
I have non-resident AZ CCW. Was planning on traveling from Cal to NV next month.
I was concerned about carrying from the car to the hotel room - to lock up in hotel safe. Won't be carrying in casino or out of hotel.
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Maybe ask again in a few weeks in the general discussion. Things could change in the next few weeks. Now that one of the victims ( or family ) filed a lawsuit against Mandalay Bay.
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I was thinking the same thing.
I have non-resident AZ CCW. Was planning on traveling from Cal to NV next month.
I was concerned about carrying from the car to the hotel room - to lock up in hotel safe. Won't be carrying in casino or out of hotel.
If you are staying at a Wynn resort, you will be wanded, and potentially at any time. Wynn has indicated that they have a large anti-terrorism program in place, and the only guns permitted in the Wynn properties are possessed by LEO or Hotel staff.
Guests discovered with firearms will be escorted out.

The hotel safe is not particularly secure... and you will not be carrying when outside of your room, I would secure it in your vehicle.
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If a casino says you cannot CCW there, then you should not CCW there.

Of course, this is if you already have a non-CA CCW/LTC/CHL

One thing that is unusual about NV is that you can CCW in alcohol establishments.
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Nevada can deny CCW with signs or metal detectors/security at the door. However, even being private property, how does this not run afoul of Heller/McDonald that the room is your residence for the period you are staying and the right to possess in your residence?
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Nevada can deny CCW with signs or metal detectors/security at the door. However, even being private property, how does this not run afoul of Heller/McDonald that the room is your residence for the period you are staying and the right to possess in your residence?
Under NV laws...

The posted "no weapons" signs only have legal weight when posted at Gov owned/operated property, school/college property, and child care facilities.

The posted "no weapons" signs on private property (hotels, casinos, malls, etc) have not legal weight are are only considered a notice of that property's policy.

Violating their policy does not violate any NV laws, but can result in being asked by the property owner/representative to leave the property.
Failure to leave the property when asked, can result in an arrest for trespassing and/or public nuisance (both of which are violations of NV laws).

The hotel room is considered your temporary residence as long as you abide by the hotel's terms of service.
If their terms of service forbids the possession of weapons and you violate it, then it is a breach of contract and the hotel room is no longer considered your temporary residence.

NV conceal carry laws prohibits conceal carry of a handgun without a valid permit anywhere in NV. This includes being on private property and being inside your own residence.
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I'm not sure terms of service can trump an enumerated and SCOTUS upheld right without violating the 2A. Would that not be enforcing an illegal contract?

Statutes that illuminate private property laws and CCW in NV are still subject to McDonald and by extension Heller.

It's not like terms of service on company policy for a job, where you neither hold title to the location, or are owner of the business and violation of such is not a direct violation of the 2A established by Heller, but a temporary residence is a protected establishment.

If what you say is true, could a short term lease or apartment rental also forbid weapons? What is the duration of the rental/lease that makes a hotel different?

Seems ripe for a challenge

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I'm not sure terms of service can trump an enumerated and SCOTUS upheld right without violating the 2A. Would that not be enforcing an illegal contract?
Constitutional protections do not extend to private entities, only to government agencies.

In MOST free states, the right of the property owner to prohibit firearms on their property trumps your right to carry a gun.
Goes for AZ, NM, TX, NV, OK, MS... California is one of the few states where "No guns" signs do not carry the force of law.
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I'm not going to argue this into the ground, but it strikes me that a private property owner gives up some of their rights when the business is providing residence and that Constitutional protections for occupants applied to the home, are just as valid.

Specifically since Nevada law is practically silent on this and the signs carry no weight that you could argue a civil rights violation with Heller stating critical need for defense in the home is the most crucial and substantive portion of the right. Anyway I won't beat the horse anymore.
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I'm not sure terms of service can trump an enumerated and SCOTUS upheld right without violating the 2A. Would that not be enforcing an illegal contract?

Statutes that illuminate private property laws and CCW in NV are still subject to McDonald and by extension Heller.

It's not like terms of service on company policy for a job, where you neither hold title to the location, or are owner of the business and violation of such is not a direct violation of the 2A established by Heller, but a temporary residence is a protected establishment.

If what you say is true, could a short term lease or apartment rental also forbid weapons? What is the duration of the rental/lease that makes a hotel different?

Seems ripe for a challenge
I believe this issue came up for Gov operated low income housing that had a "no firearms" restriction in order to live in the housing. It went to several Federal Courts which upheld the restrictions. However, this was all before the SCOTUS Heller v DC ruling and it hasn't been brought up/challenged after that ruling.
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