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Old 12-30-2017, 5:48 PM
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Just like the democrats know that gun control is a political loserwinner, the republicans know that gun rights are a political winnerloser. If they end the fight now, what will they have to campaign on next year? total semi auto ban
In California it's like this FIFY. emphasis mine.

Reciprocity is dead also. Nothing pro gun has been passed yet and nothing anti gun was even passed under Obama. But he pushed it to the states and we know which ones took that to the fullest extent.

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Look at the dems preaching amnesty every election cycle, yet even with full control they didnt push for it. The want the same votes in 2-4-8 years every cycle.
they do it to use minorities to get their votes and get the peasants that continue to vote for them time after time and get nothing in return.

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Term limits would be the best way to end this grandstanding without action. Drain the swamp
Want to know why California is so screwed up? Term limits. None of those bozos have to worry any consequences from the voters. Also we new morons every few years that want to "do something", or "make a name for themselves" and " have a legacy when they leave office".

Term limits on a national scale would bring California stupidity nationwide.
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Nothing anti gun was passed under Obama because we had the house and senate!
Obama did do fast and furious, operation chokepoint and of course fixed the election via IRS Lois Lerner and friends.

Again friends we have the NRA in house,senate and president trump.
Call your rep and push national CCW .

Again we friends in the fed govt

BTW Chris lots of swamp dwelling calgunners you see here were in favor of term limits !
Just saying !
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Old 01-01-2018, 3:55 PM
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Nothing anti gun was passed under Obama because we had the house and senate!
Obama did do fast and furious, operation chokepoint and of course fixed the election via IRS Lois Lerner and friends.

Again friends we have the NRA in house,senate and president trump.
Call your rep and push national CCW .

Again we friends in the fed govt

BTW Chris lots of swamp dwelling calgunners you see here were in favor of term limits !
Just saying !
Term limits on representatives (House or Senate) are a state by state decision IMHO. Who am I to decide if Arizona wants to keep sending McCain back to office again and again?

Term limits on the president were honored by men of honor following George Washington's self imposed restriction and one that had been debated during the 1787 Constitutional Convention.

Unfortunately, Grant, Theodore Roosevelt (Kinda sorta) and especially FDR decided the unwritten rule didn't apply to them (or America just "needed" them too much) and we ended up with the 22nd amendment proposed by a honorable Republican congress.

The states signed on by 1951 and here we are.

Evil and those who would drain freedom from our veins knows no party lines. Term limits are a must in some situations IMHO. Career politicians have destroyed pieces of this country and are freedom vampires regardless of D or an R in front of their name.



P.S. I love the fixed election comment. Review our Republic and our implementation of Democracy and you'll realize no one has fixed a presidential election in reality (including the most recent allegations against our sitting president)
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WHO AM I GOING TO CALL? FEINSWINE OR HARRIS!
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Old 01-02-2018, 7:27 AM
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Term limits on representatives (House or Senate) are a state by state decision IMHO. Who am I to decide if Arizona wants to keep sending McCain back to office again and again?

Term limits on the president were honored by men of honor following George Washington's self imposed restriction and one that had been debated during the 1787 Constitutional Convention.

Unfortunately, Grant, Theodore Roosevelt (Kinda sorta) and especially FDR decided the unwritten rule didn't apply to them (or America just "needed" them too much) and we ended up with the 22nd amendment proposed by a honorable Republican congress.

The states signed on by 1951 and here we are.

Evil and those who would drain freedom from our veins knows no party lines. Term limits are a must in some situations IMHO. Career politicians have destroyed pieces of this country and are freedom vampires regardless of D or an R in front of their name.



P.S. I love the fixed election comment. Review our Republic and our implementation of Democracy and you'll realize no one has fixed a presidential election in reality (including the most recent allegations against our sitting president)
Taking your PS 1st, I think a fair appraisal of Lois Lerner and friends fixing the election for Obama by targeting wealthy republicans and get out the vote groups can be made.
In fact I personally had concerns about IRS retribution for my piddley contributions via credit cards.

It's an unfortunate fact that term limits in California has facilitated the destruction of our liberties and continuity of basic services.
#1 we lost excellent statesmen politicians who went in the save our liberties . Don Rogers and Dick mount joy come to mind. Those 2 and other republicans knew the system well enough to poisen and torpedo most of the democrats plans
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With term limits we get amateurs who are not familiar with the ways to stop demcrats.
Further those now elected do not want to rock the boat with media and their swamp dwellers college teachers admin etc.

Probably the worst aspect of term limits is the idea Big city calfiornias understand issues .
Regardless we all have the right to be wrong and term limits has been a disaster for calfornians

Back to topic,isn't it wonderful that we are fighting for National CCW, hearing protection and other PROGUN measures that have the democrats fighting to stop PROGUN LEGISLATION instead of us fighting their UN gun grabs and STUPID gun restrictions !
Will anyone give me a ^5 ?
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The mis-interpreted 14th amendment has changed the Republican party from a conservative party to a mildly socialist party in less than 30 years.

Party leaders have changed their platforms to attempt to appeal to the new power base in America, the newcomers and their offsprings, all citizens regardless of their juristiction. That is why the Dreamers are supported by all the RINOS. Add a declining birthrate from the native population and very high birthrates from the immigrants and the US Census Dept can show you their predictions, not a comforting thought.

Republican party officials will continue to promise stuff they have zero intention to complete as that would damage their "outreach" to the new ruling class here. RINO's are the new republican party class here with McConnell, Flake and McCain leading the charge.

The accidental Trump election was the last gasp of traditional America. That was a temporary slowing of the current decline of the USA. The next presidente will change the course back quickly.
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I've emailed one of our two Senators & rec a short 'No Thanks' response! I'm not surprised. Nothing would make a bigger statement then to PASS HR 38 in the Senate!
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I have an email out as well, will post the response, I'm sure it will be as good as the one I received from Swallowswell.
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The GOP is not acting on Pro-gun bills because we (gun owners who are members of pro-gun organizations such as the NRA) have not forced our organizations to target the leadership. If the NRA played hardball with McConnell and Cornyn demanding bills such as reciprocity were brought to a vote and they have the balls of the democrats to use the nuclear option NOW or we would do everything in our power next election to remove them we would see action. BUT, I think the NRA likes the fundraising opportunities more than the action. (Frustrated life member...)
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The two main problems with our country today:

#1 The transformation of the Democratic Party over the last several decades into a Leftist-controlled organization that promotes and imposes Leftist ideology and practices underpinned by a deep hatred for America

#2 The weak leadership of the GOP that fails to recognize the threat from The Left and has proven incapable of adapting to meet the challenges of the last few decades.

The solutions are:

#1 Get rid of the weak GOP representatives and replace them with modern thinkers and leaders who recognize the Leftist threat and is able to counter it by fighting fire with fire.

#2 Investigate, charge, and secure convictions against democrats both in and outside of government who have been involved in corruption. The evidence is there, it just needs to be looked at and acted upon.
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The two main problems with our country today:

#1 The transformation of the Democratic Party over the last several decades into a Leftist-controlled organization that promotes and imposes Leftist ideology and practices underpinned by a deep hatred for America

#2 The weak leadership of the GOP that fails to recognize the threat from The Left and has proven incapable of adapting to meet the challenges of the last few decades.

The solutions are:

#1 Get rid of the weak GOP representatives and replace them with modern thinkers and leaders who recognize the Leftist threat and is able to counter it by fighting fire with fire.

#2 Investigate, charge, and secure convictions against democrats both in and outside of government who have been involved in corruption. The evidence is there, it just needs to be looked at and acted upon.
There is only one party.studies show the dems would have voted for the tax plan if it had been presented by a dem. It's about power.

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There is only one party.studies show the dems would have voted for the tax plan if it had been presented by a dem. It's about power.

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You say there is only 1 party yet the dems by your statement voted against the tax bill.
Isn't that a contradiction ?
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You say there is only 1 party yet the dems by your statement voted against the tax bill.
Isn't that a contradiction ?
Partially, two groups who both want personal power.
Neither will cut entitlement programs to their voters. The wrapping is different, not the package.
In this case, they could not appear to support the bill or they lose support from party doners.
They don't care about ideals, it's whatever keeps them in control.
6 years ago the dems voted millions to fund a wall, increase ICE, add thousands of. Border agents. Nearly the same plan Trump just proposed tonight.
No difference, just whose in charge.


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