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FFL 03 mailed today, will update you guys as things happen..
i just printed from ATF website, hopefully no hiccups update, CC charged on may 14, livescan done today and coe app mailed.. will update again.. hope to be buying stuff from all you guys real soon! update, got my FFL 03 today june 14, exactly one month from the date of charge.. hooray, now just waiting on my coe.. Last edited by ChrisBrooklyn; 06-14-2016 at 4:14 PM.. |
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I sent my FFL application on 5/25 and CA DOJ COE today.
Let's see what happens. Credit card got dinged on 6/5!
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i called and they said they are taking about 6 weeks..
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Hello all and I wanted to say thanks for all the information that has been shared here. This will be my first post here and I have a couple of questions about the process. Any insight / help would greatly appreciated.
I am looking into getting a C&R FFL and I just wanted to double check a couple of things first with respect to the county I would be applying from: Has anyone had any issues applying in San Mateo County? As far as I can tell there isn't any issue and I would be using this FFL for collector purposes only. And secondly about the forms themselves: 1) I need to fill out the ATF-F 5310.16 form and submit a copy of the ATF and a duplicate copy to my local police chef (this copy should have the credit card information redacted). For a single person application section #9 should have a single entry and match that of sections #1 - 6? Section #10 should be left blank for a native born US citizen? 2) I would need to fill out form BCIA 8016 contained within the Certificate of Eligibility Application. I would need to check the DOJ and FBI boxes. Upon submission I would receive an ATI number. 3) I would need to fill out the Certificate of Eligibility Application and include the ATI number I received above. For business type would I choose "Collector"? 4) Wait...wait...wait some more. Thanks again. |
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That all sounds correct.
This is not a county issued license like CCW... it is from BATFE for the 03FFL and the DOJ for the COE. Your county has no choice in the matter. The copy of the application to the CLEO is simply an FYI, and the cover letter that I send with mine states that no action is required or requested:
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As for the county part that was also about being curious about any ordinances / laws for the county that would expressly prohibit it. Or places to check to make sure it doesn't. I want to double check myself so as not to get into any trouble. Thanks. |
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BATFE requires that you "send" a copy to him. It does not require that he actually confirm receipt. Quote:
DO locate the local BATFE branch office. IF you are called in for an audit of your bound book, 03FFL does not surrender your 4A/5A rights. You do not have to allow access to your residence by LE without a warrant. You MAY legally schedule your bound book audit to take place at the field office. You take your bound book and listed guns to the office and TCOB at that point. There may be county ordinances related to storage of firearms and ammo, you would need to comply with those just as you do now.
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I am going to look up the local BATFE branch office and see where that is with respect to me. So the BATFE would tell me they are going to audit me and I would say thats cool and I want to set that up at your office? I assume that if I haven't bought or sold anything the audit would be really quick? Sorry for being a n00b but TCOB? |
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I have not been contacted for an audit, so I don't know the exact procedure.
SOME have received surprise knocks on the door by (newer?) agents who were unaware of the difference between an 03 and the others (who are subject to no-notice inspections). Yes, if you have nothing in your bound book, I would inform them of that when you are contacted to see if they even wish to proceed. I got the 03/COE for the AB962 exemption before the ammo ban was thrown out. I kept them both current after 962 was tossed, and was glad, because in 2013 while visiting my parents in Texas, mom gave me Grandpa's Colt 1903 pistol. Way cool, and fortunately I had the proper licenses to prevent us both from becoming felons. That is to this day the only entry in my bound book. Here are a couple of sample pages. I printed mine out on 11x17 and got an 11x17 3-ring binder from Staples online.
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Some people let their license expire after three years then reapply later for a new license and dispose of the book in-between just so they're not on the hook for a paperwork mistake they made three licenses ago. As mentioned sometimes somebody from the ATF will get confused about what a FFL03 license even is and when you first get the license maybe they'll try to inspect your facility or whatever. Just tell them it's a collectors license, you're not a dealer, they should contact their supervisor. But literally I've heard of that happening once or twice, ever. |
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If I could only be so lucky as to have 100 in my collection.... |
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Are you guys printing the pdf forms double sided or single? I send my livescan with the COE only? Or do I even send it? Do they have it on file electronically? Also, is there a specific livescan for this statewide or county? Do I have to go to CHP or county sheriff? I know my wife being a sub teacher can either get city specific livescans or just get one for the whole county through the sheriff's office. After some research I semi know the procedure. Just making positive i'm not missing anything.
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Single sided. I livescanned at a UPS store and they transmit the information electronically. They also write the scan number on the application when they sign it.
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More worth it with the COE, but the 03 is cheap at $33 for 3 years. COE will cost you $100 to apply and $22/year.
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Thanks Any discounts on bullets or reloading supplies w 03? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Vendors who offer discounts generally do a flat percentage on the entire order.
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So I already have a COE and thought may be I should get the C&R.
Is it good out of state, say I go to Oregon or Nevada. Can I buy out of state in person or just ordering say from say an online vendor.
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This was one of the unfortunate changes in 2014. However, we can still, with the 03+COE, purchase both long guns and handguns (C&R only) out of state and bring them home so long as we register them and pay the $19 freedom tax. The 03/COE also provides an exemption from the upcoming ammo restrictions... provided you can find a vendor that recognizes the exemption.
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Not under the new laws.
It's been debated but there was a pretty definitive posting of the PC a few days ago. tldr version... In-State purchase of C&R long gun may be done FTF or shipped to your home (licensed residence) In-State purchase of C&R Handgun must be done through FFL. 10 day wait exemption applies, but DROS software does not allow it for PPT, only dealer transfer. Develop a good relationship with your dealer and MAYBE you can talk them into logging the PPT into their inventory, then back out to you as a dealer transfer. The exemption would then apply, but not the $35 limit (that's where the good relationship comes in ) Out of state purchase of C&R handgun or long gun may be done FTF, import and report/register immediately upon returning home. Out of state purchase of C&R handgun or long gun by shipment must transfer through FFL, 10 day wait exemption applies. C&R handguns are still exempt from the roster.
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Nope.
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Mailed FFL app 9/23
CC dinged 9/28 License in mail 10/21 I sent out the COE (after fingerprints) on 9/30 as of 10/21 No activity. Update: Received COE on 11/03 Last edited by Tysandiego; 11-03-2016 at 4:25 PM.. Reason: Update |
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You are talking about 03's only, not 03+COE's? Last edited by SquidBilly; 10-25-2016 at 3:01 PM.. |
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On purchasing out of state, I am not 100% certain (having both, even though I've read the status more than once in the last 6 years but I have not bothered to commit it to memory). The 03 is sufficient to satisfy federal law, but I believe the COE is needed for California law.
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A COE is not needed, at this time, for an out of state purchase as long as the buyer has an 03 and is personally bringing the firearm across the state line. BOF Form 4100a would be used to report the purchase within 5 days, and there is no place for the COE on that form. CA PC 27565 covers the out of state acquisition of a C&R firearm. Quote:
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The only part of your other post that was incorrect was that long guns purchased out of state and shipped need to go through FFL01 and 10 day wait. With 03+COE, all long guns can be shipped to your door. Only handgun shipments have to go through FFL01. All out of state handgun or long gun via FTF purchases need 03 only. |
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Trying to find it now but it's apparently not in the C&R subforum In-state purchases are still legal to ship to your door. It IS still legal per BATFE regulations.
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- Rich Last edited by Cokebottle; 10-27-2016 at 7:15 PM.. |
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FFL 03 request out and back in under a month. Nov to Dec. Holding off on the COE as do not see the immediate need unless there is something i am missing as dealers like J&G only need signed copy of o3 and dl emailed or faed to them for purchase and direct delivery.
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